The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons.

[Shusha]

And still, not one refutation of their words.

Because we reject your premise and the "authority" you quoted. No point.

 

[louie888]

If this is not the Jewish belief for centuries, until zionism reared its filthy head, then it should be easily - AND I MEAN EXTREMELY EASILY - to refute!

Try again...

However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army.

 

[Shusha]

If this is not the Jewish belief for centuries, until zionism reared its filthy head, then it should be easily - AND I MEAN EXTREMELY EASILY - to refute!

Oh we assure you, it is EXTREMELY EASY to refute. I can refute it with eight words from Genesis, just to start with. Come on over to the Religion boards. Tag me.

But we are going to keep rejecting both your premise and your "authority" here.

 

[louie888]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

 

[aris2chat]

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries.

OUR?

are NK?

 

[Roudy]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

 

[Challenger]

K, three pages in now and not one disputed fact from the OP.

Let's move along to the three testimonies listed in the link from the OP of the true opinion of the Torah.

Does anyone disagree with these:

1) In the past two thousand years of the dangers and sufferings of exile not once did any of the Sages of Israel suggest that we make a state to protect ourselves. In every generation we had thousands of Sages well versed in the Torah.

2) We have thousands of legal work of Torah law that have been handed down to us by the Sages of all generations. Not once do we see a word suggesting the establishment of a state. What we do find is warnings against it.

3) The founders of Zionism were all atheists who denied the Torah. All the Torah Sages of that time opposed them and opposed Zionism, saying that Zionism would lead only to destruction.

Why Orthodox Jews are Opposed to the Zionist State

If so... why? Please be specific and try to stay on task lol.

Event the capital city Ramallah used to be be a Jewish biblical city with a Hebrew name that the Arab Muslim invaders changed its name:

Ramah Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

Dictionaries - Smith's Bible Dictionary - Ramah
Ramah [N] [H]
(a hill ). This is the name of several places in the holy land.

1. One of the cities of the allotment of Benjamin. ( Joshua 18:25 ) Its site is at er-Ram , about five miles from Jerusalem, and near to Gibeah. ( Judges 4:5 ; 19:13 ; 1 Samuel 22:6 ) Its people returned after the captivity. ( Ezra 2:26 ; Nehemiah 7:30 )
2. The home of Elkanah, Samuels father, ( 1 Samuel 1:19 ; 2:11 ) the birthplace of Samuel himself, his home and official residence, the site of his altar ch. ( 1 Samuel 7:17 ; 8:4 ; 15:34 ; 16:13 ; 19:18 ) and finally his burial-place, ch. ( 1 Samuel 25:1 ; 28:3 ) It is a contracted form of Ramathaim-zophim. All that is directly said as to its situation is that it was in Mount Ephraim, ( 1 Samuel 1:1 ) a district without defined boundaries, The position of Ramah is a much-disputed question. Tradition, however places the residence of Samuel on the lofty and remarkable eminence of Neby Samwil which rises four miles to the northwest of Jerusalem. Since the days of Arcult the tradition appears to have been continuous. Here, then, we are inclined in the present state of the evidence, to place the Ramah of Samuel.
3. One of the nineteen fortified places of Naphtali. ( Joshua 19:36 ) Dr. Robinson has discovered a Rameh northwest of the Sea of Galilee, about 8 miles east-south-east of Safed.
4. One of the landmarks on the boundary of Asher, ( Joshua 19:29 ) apparently between Tyre and Zidon. Some place it 3 miles east of Tyre, others 10 miles off and east-southeast of the same city.
5. By this name in ( 2 Kings 8:29 ) and 2Chr 22:6 only, is designated Ramoth-gilead.
6. A place mentioned in the catalogue of those reinhabited by the Benjamites after their return from the captivity. ( Nehemiah 11:33 )

[N] indicates this entry was also found in Nave's Topical Bible
[H] indicates this entry was also found in Hitchcock's Bible Names
Bibliography Information
Smith, William, Dr. "Entry for 'Ramah'". "Smith's Bible Dictionary". . 1901.

Encyclopedias - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Ramah
RAMAH

ra'-ma (ha-ramah, without the definite article only in Nehemiah 11:33; Jeremiah 31:15):

The name denotes height, from root rum, "to be high," and the towns to which it applied seem all to have stood on elevated sites.

(1) Codex Vaticanus Arael; Codex Alexandrinus Rhama:

A fenced city in the lot assigned to Naphtali (Joshua 19:36). Only in this passage is the place referred to. It is probably identical with the modern er-Rameh, a large Christian village on the highway from Cafed to the coast, about 8 miles West-Southwest of that city. To the North rises the mountain range which forms the southern boundary of Upper Galilee. In the valley to the South there is much rich land cultivated by the villagers. The olives grown here are very fine, and fruitful vineyards cover many of the surrounding slopes. No remains of antiquity are to be seen above ground; but the site is one likely to have been occupied in ancient times.

(2) Rhama:

A city that is mentioned only once, on the boundary of Asher (Joshua 19:29). The line of the boundary cannot be followed with certainty; but perhaps we may identify Ramah with the modern Ramiyeh, a village situated on a hill which rises in the midst of a hollow, some 13 miles Southeast of Tyre, and 12 miles East of the Ladder of Tyre. To the Southwest is a marshy lake which dries up in summer. Traces of antiquity are found in the cisterns, a large reservoir and many sarcophagi. To the West is the high hill Belat, with ancient ruins, and remains of a temple of which several columns are still in situ.

Problem one: You forgot which thread you were on.

Problem 2: The bible is not an historical reference.

Your problem 3: You didn't read the post properly so you didn't figure out that it was archeological and historical evidence that proves that even cities like Ramallah originally had Jewish names, or in this case kept its Jewish root, Ramah, and added an "Allah" to it to make it Muslim. In other words, originally Jewish cities cited the Bible in many cases can be backed up by actual archeological and historic evidence. Israel and Jerusalem never stopped being central to the Jewish people and their faith, never.

They may have had names with Aramaic roots, but who said the people of those places ever exclusively followed Judaism? The town of Ramallah was largely Christian for much of it's existance, and became a city during Ottoman times. The Bible is not a good historical source and archaeology mostly contradicts it.

 

[Challenger]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

 

[aris2chat]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

stories are part history from a certain perspective and part myth with a lot of religion, rules and rituals.

smoke, mirrors and fear to control the masses

 

[Roudy]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

 

[Challenger]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

 

[montelatici]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

The indigenous people of Palestine converted to Christianity, forcefully or otherwise, after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome. The Zionists are Europeans.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

The indigenous people of Palestine converted to Christianity, forcefully or otherwise, after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome. The Zionists are Europeans.

Having Nightmares????

Take a pill and call me in the morning

 

[montelatici]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

The indigenous people of Palestine converted to Christianity, forcefully or otherwise, after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome. The Zionists are Europeans.

Having Nightmares????

Take a pill and call me in the morning

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin....

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

The indigenous people of Palestine converted to Christianity, forcefully or otherwise, after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome. The Zionists are Europeans.

Having Nightmares????

Take a pill and call me in the morning

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin....

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Well, let's say that's true, just for the sake of argument. (Although I really don't believe it, but look at where I'm going with this.) Shouldn't the people who practice Judaism today have more rights to the Land than those who practice Islam? After all, you yourself admit that the Natives are really Jews.

 

[Challenger]

Shusha

You obviously don't have the mental capability to even understand this topic. 8 words from Genesis? No, moron, it doesn't work like that.

These ate the opinions of our rabbis and sages throughout the centuries. This changed only in the last 100 or so years when the atheist degenerates who pretended to be Jews took Palestine and claimed it as a homeland for the Jewish people when the reality is that it is a homeland for these psychopaths to be able to live beyond the laws of all other nations.

Achmed, you really need to listen to your own Zionist Koran, which has copied from the Zionist OT and Christian New Testament. There is no mention of Palestine or Palestinians in your Koran, Achmed, now why is that?

THE QUR'AN SAYS:

The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites:

"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21]

"To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

"Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

"We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

[Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

The Koran is also not a valid historical source, especially the bits cribbed from the Bible/Torah.

Funny how there's no Palestine or Palestinian people in the Koran, as early as 1400, eh?

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

Well in fact they would have called themselves "Judeans" or "Palestinians" or "Syrians" or "Ottomans" or "Muslims". Some of them may well have practiced Judaism as their religion, but the word "Jew" is a relatively modern European invention and was used from the 16th century as an insult. In fact it was considered so offensive after Jewish "emancipation" in Europe in the 19th century, that the followers of Judaism were called "Hebrews" by polite society.

Political Zionism was invented by a bunch of lunatic irridentists who made up a pseudo-history in which the European "Jewish people" owere somehow the "rightful owners" of lands they had no connection to other than a tenuous religious one.

 

[Challenger]

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

The indigenous people of Palestine converted to Christianity, forcefully or otherwise, after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome. The Zionists are Europeans.

Having Nightmares????

Take a pill and call me in the morning

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin....

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Well, let's say that's true, just for the sake of argument. (Although I really don't believe it, but look at where I'm going with this.) Shouldn't the people who practice Judaism today have more rights to the Land than those who practice Islam? After all, you yourself admit that the Natives are really Jews.

By that logic, those who practice Greco-Roman Paganism, today have more rights over the entire Mediterranean basin and the countries and peoples that surround it than the native populations..

 

[Shusha]

The indigenous people of Palestine converted to Christianity, forcefully or otherwise, after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome.

Fine. Have it your way. Now the *cough cough* indigenous people are being converted, forcefully or otherwise, back to being Jewish.

 

[montelatici]

Not really, the indigenous people were still there, whatever they called thjemselves, or were known as, at the time, unlike the modern day Zionist pseudo-"Israelites" from Europe, who have no links with the area other than a tenuous religious one.

Yes, the indigenous people were still there.
They called themselves Jews, and are still known as Jews.

Jews created Political Zionism in order to regain sovereignty over Jewish Ancient Land.

Indigenous People = Jews

Zionism = Jews

Indigenous People + Zionism = Israel

The indigenous people of Palestine converted to Christianity, forcefully or otherwise, after 380 AD when Christianity became the state religion of Rome. The Zionists are Europeans.

Having Nightmares????

Take a pill and call me in the morning

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin....

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Well, let's say that's true, just for the sake of argument. (Although I really don't believe it, but look at where I'm going with this.) Shouldn't the people who practice Judaism today have more rights to the Land than those who practice Islam? After all, you yourself admit that the Natives are really Jews.

Of course it's true. Do you really believe all the people that practiced Judaism before 380 AD mysteriously disappeared? Aelia Capitolina (Jerusalem) was an exclusively Christian city when the Muslims conquered it in 637-638 AD. Interestingly, it was still overwhelmingly Christian, not Roman Catholic, when the Crusaders reconquered it.

Why would the religion of a person have any bearing on living in a particular area? A European that practices Christianity has no more right to the land where the religion was born than a European that practices Judaism. Neither have the ancestral connection that the native people do, whether the native people practice Christianity or Islam.

By the way, besides Christianity the indigenous people of Palestine practiced a myriad of religions before converting to Christianity as a result of the adoption of Christianity as the state religion. The Roman Pantheon, Mithraism, Samaritanism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism etc.