The Oslo murderer

[Ravi]

Let me try this again.

I do not think this guy is a conservative. Rather he is a "conservative" in other words, a pretender. I should just call him a CINO (conservative in name only) or a LINO (libertarian in name only).

He's an extremely nationalistic, anti-immigrant, xenophobic, Islamophobe from what I've read of his views. Heck, he even toyed with the idea, according to his manifesto, of teaming up with those he fears (Muslims) to rid the world of those he fears the most (multiculturist leftists).

I don't think any REAL conservative or libertarian shares his views.

But I think it is important to revile the extreme nationalists. Because really, they are no different from the terrorists that pervert religion, or Stalinists, or Nazis. And there seem to be a lot of them lately.

In order to really understand his (totally warped) beliefs, you would need to study what is the 'far right' in Europe. Certainly, there are groups in the US who would be very similar.... but it would not be the TEA Party..... or conservatives.... it would be the NeoNazi groups that everyone - left or right - despises.

Yes, I realize that. He did try to start a Euro version of the teaparty, but of course that could be his perverted view of what the teaparty stands for....or some of them, anyway.

 

[Flopper]

If you Google terrorist profile and read a bit, you'll see that most terrorist are not nut cases. Other than being sociopathic, they're fairy normal; at least normal enough that they aren't noticed by the police. This is what makes them so dangerous. Most don't have criminal records or if they do, it's for minor offenses. They literal can be the guy next door.

 

[AllieBaba]

I don't see anything about this guy that even remotely reminds me of the right wingers on this board.

I see more people from the left who state their comfort with the idea of killing children, reducing population, withholding assistance from those who need it outside of the US, and oppressing people based upon their color and religion than I see people on the right doing the same thing.

In fact, kindly share exactly who exactly mirrors this guys. Specifics please. Exactly what have they said, and how does it line up with his beliefs? Links please.

Otherwise I'll just assume it's more revolting fear mongering and lying.

You can pretend that we don't have a lot of Islamophobics if you wish. You can also pretend that we don't have a lot of people convinced that the powers that be are marxist/commie/pinko/fascists.

I guess my point is this. There is too much demonization in politics and this guy is the result on the extreme end of all the hate that gets spewed.

So you started a thread demonizing the right.

Way to go, Rav!

 

[AllieBaba]

If you Google terrorist profile and read a bit, you'll see that most terrorist are not nut cases. Other than being sociopathic, they're fairy normal; at least normal enough that they aren't noticed by the police. This is what makes them so dangerous. Most don't have criminal records or if they do, it's for minor offenses. They literal can be the guy next door.

And if the guy next door happens to be Muslim, the chances of him being a terrorist multiply exponentially!

 

[manifold]

I guess Norway's universal healthcare doesn't cover mental health.

But whatcha gonna do?

 

[California Girl]

Let me try this again.

I do not think this guy is a conservative. Rather he is a "conservative" in other words, a pretender. I should just call him a CINO (conservative in name only) or a LINO (libertarian in name only).

He's an extremely nationalistic, anti-immigrant, xenophobic, Islamophobe from what I've read of his views. Heck, he even toyed with the idea, according to his manifesto, of teaming up with those he fears (Muslims) to rid the world of those he fears the most (multiculturist leftists).

I don't think any REAL conservative or libertarian shares his views.

But I think it is important to revile the extreme nationalists. Because really, they are no different from the terrorists that pervert religion, or Stalinists, or Nazis. And there seem to be a lot of them lately.

In order to really understand his (totally warped) beliefs, you would need to study what is the 'far right' in Europe. Certainly, there are groups in the US who would be very similar.... but it would not be the TEA Party..... or conservatives.... it would be the NeoNazi groups that everyone - left or right - despises.

Yes, I realize that. He did try to start a Euro version of the teaparty, but of course that could be his perverted view of what the teaparty stands for....or some of them, anyway.

He may have done. But had he done his research, he wouldn't have wasted his time. His views are not compatible to those of the TEA Party.

 

[xsited1]

Let me try this again.

I do not think this guy is a conservative. Rather he is a "conservative" in other words, a pretender. I should just call him a CINO (conservative in name only) or a LINO (libertarian in name only).

He's an extremely nationalistic, anti-immigrant, xenophobic, Islamophobe from what I've read of his views. Heck, he even toyed with the idea, according to his manifesto, of teaming up with those he fears (Muslims) to rid the world of those he fears the most (multiculturist leftists).

I don't think any REAL conservative or libertarian shares his views.

But I think it is important to revile the extreme nationalists. Because really, they are no different from the terrorists that pervert religion, or Stalinists, or Nazis. And there seem to be a lot of them lately.

I just noticed these murderers don't usually wear hats, except for this guy:

 

[AllieBaba]

Let me try this again.

I do not think this guy is a conservative. Rather he is a "conservative" in other words, a pretender. I should just call him a CINO (conservative in name only) or a LINO (libertarian in name only).

He's an extremely nationalistic, anti-immigrant, xenophobic, Islamophobe from what I've read of his views. Heck, he even toyed with the idea, according to his manifesto, of teaming up with those he fears (Muslims) to rid the world of those he fears the most (multiculturist leftists).

I don't think any REAL conservative or libertarian shares his views.

But I think it is important to revile the extreme nationalists. Because really, they are no different from the terrorists that pervert religion, or Stalinists, or Nazis. And there seem to be a lot of them lately.

Where? You keep saying that, and implying they're on this board. Who are they, and please quote them showing they share this guy's views.

BTW, he posted stuff lifted from the unabomber's manifesto as his own....the unabomber was a one-time Harvard professor who was anti-technology, anti-government.

Who does that remind you of?

 

[AllieBaba]

Does it disturb anybody else but me that two Islamic groups took credit for these killings...which apparently they were not responsible for...

And yet Ravi is boo hooing about "Islamaphobia". What complete claptrap. They want us to fear and hate them. We do it because it makes them happy.

 

[Ravi]

I don't see anything about this guy that even remotely reminds me of the right wingers on this board.

I see more people from the left who state their comfort with the idea of killing children, reducing population, withholding assistance from those who need it outside of the US, and oppressing people based upon their color and religion than I see people on the right doing the same thing.

In fact, kindly share exactly who exactly mirrors this guys. Specifics please. Exactly what have they said, and how does it line up with his beliefs? Links please.

Otherwise I'll just assume it's more revolting fear mongering and lying.

You can pretend that we don't have a lot of Islamophobics if you wish. You can also pretend that we don't have a lot of people convinced that the powers that be are marxist/commie/pinko/fascists.

I guess my point is this. There is too much demonization in politics and this guy is the result on the extreme end of all the hate that gets spewed.

So you started a thread demonizing the right.

Way to go, Rav!

Sorry that you took it to mean you, Babble.

 

[Ravi]

Does it disturb anybody else but me that two Islamic groups took credit for these killings...which apparently they were not responsible for...

And yet Ravi is boo hooing about "Islamaphobia". What complete claptrap. They want us to fear and hate them. We do it because it makes them happy.

So in your opinion the Norweigian guy is an Islamist?

Oh, my.

 

[AllieBaba]

Uh, no....

 

[AllieBaba]

I said Islamists wanted to get credit for the killings....

 

[CitizenPained]

I think he was mentally unstable. He sounds like the kind of man who'd be inspired by conspiracy theorists - you know, the kind of people who latch on to those crazy ideas as long as it meshes with their viewpoint?

He was a xenophobe, for sure, and I'm very sorry Norway had to join our club.

Extremism, be it from the left or right, always boils down to one thing: us versus them, with them being the enemy and all that is wrong with the world.

I don't think Islam has had this much of backlash since Queen Isabella, yet it still pales to what other religions/peoples have had to suffer. And like it or not, people have suffered under Islam and Christianity for centuries, what with Christianity finally chilling out in the 20th C. or so. Muslim countries just haven't followed suit in regards to how they treat their minority populations.

So I think this terrorist whackjob may have envisioned a problem much larger than what it was and it was amplified in his xenophobia.

 

[xsited1]

I said Islamists wanted to get credit for the killings....

They may still be involved. There's still a lot we don't know (or may never know). There is a backlash in Europe against Islamization at this time.

 

[AllieBaba]

I think he was mentally unstable. He sounds like the kind of man who'd be inspired by conspiracy theorists - you know, the kind of people who latch on to those crazy ideas as long as it meshes with their viewpoint?

He was a xenophobe, for sure, and I'm very sorry Norway had to join our club.

Extremism, be it from the left or right, always boils down to one thing: us versus them, with them being the enemy and all that is wrong with the world.

I don't think Islam has had this much of backlash since Queen Isabella, yet it still pales to what other religions/peoples have had to suffer. And like it or not, people have suffered under Islam and Christianity for centuries, what with Christianity finally chilling out in the 20th C. or so. Muslim countries just haven't followed suit in regards to how they treat their minority populations.

So I think this terrorist whackjob may have envisioned a problem much larger than what it was and it was amplified in his xenophobia.

I am SO FUCKING SICK of this relativist CRAP.

Islam has killed tens of millions more than the church has. It has conquered and subjugated untold numbers of people in dozens of countries.

It is NOT comparable to *Christianity*.

This is what the ignorami do...they assume that people who kill in the name of Islam are the same as people who kill for every other cause...but happen to be Christian.

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING, and the NUMBERS DON'T COMPARE.

Wake the fuck up.

And quit using the deaths of children to pretend that middle of the road CHRISTIAN Americans are *just as bad*. They aren't.

 

[Flopper]

If you Google terrorist profile and read a bit, you'll see that most terrorist are not nut cases. Other than being sociopathic, they're fairy normal; at least normal enough that they aren't noticed by the police. This is what makes them so dangerous. Most don't have criminal records or if they do, it's for minor offenses. They literal can be the guy next door.

And if the guy next door happens to be Muslim, the chances of him being a terrorist multiply exponentially!

Nope. 94% of the terrorist attacks in this country are not perpetration by Muslims. There are actually more terrorist attacks perpetrated by Jews. Outside the US, the stories the same. Muslims are not responsible for most terrorist attacks. The media makes this hard to believe but it's true.


All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Aren't | loonwatch.com

 

[Zona]

Depends whether it's a discussion or a bunch of bullshit to accuse every Conservative of being a terrorist. In my experience of late on this board, the latter outweighs the former.

People who use tragedies to accuse their political opponents of wrongdoing are mentally unstable individuals.

You mean like the Ft. Hood shooter?

 

[AllieBaba]

If you Google terrorist profile and read a bit, you'll see that most terrorist are not nut cases. Other than being sociopathic, they're fairy normal; at least normal enough that they aren't noticed by the police. This is what makes them so dangerous. Most don't have criminal records or if they do, it's for minor offenses. They literal can be the guy next door.

And if the guy next door happens to be Muslim, the chances of him being a terrorist multiply exponentially!

Nope. 94% of the terrorist attacks in this country are not perpetration by Muslims. There are actually more terrorist attacks perpetrated by Jews. Outside the US, the stories the same. Muslims are not responsible for most terrorist attacks. The media makes this hard to believe but it's true.


All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Aren't | loonwatch.com

compare the numbers of the dead, then get back to me.

 

[Zona]

Does it disturb anybody else but me that two Islamic groups took credit for these killings...which apparently they were not responsible for...

And yet Ravi is boo hooing about "Islamaphobia". What complete claptrap. They want us to fear and hate them. We do it because it makes them happy.

So in your opinion the Norweigian guy is an Islamist?

Oh, my.

Nope, he was a right wing extremist christian nut.