Terror and collective neurosis

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    What psychodynamic causes lie behind the recent Norwegian terror attack? I contend that the Western world suffers from a collective neurosis, and this attack represents a psychotic episode, as it were. All late manifestations of culture suffer from some form of pathology. When the Westerners arrived in Tahiti, the inhabitants were completely hedged in by taboo restrictions. The whole population suffered from a collective compulsive neurosis. The Christian faith came as a great relief for them. This is typical for primitive civilization. The Aztec, for instance, were all bloodthirsty madmen.

    All civilizations end up neurotic. King Arthur suffers because the Kingdom is ailing. In the fairytale this is always the rule. The king is old, shrivelled-up, and ill, or he is married to a mad queen. The kingdom can only be made whole again if the king is replaced by a young king, representing a new guiding idea. It is the same rule today. The king is old and sick, and the "ideal citizens" who are happy with the situation, are really quite mad. They are all chockingly neurotic, and they are possessed by very weird conscious ideas, today characterized by relativism and welfarism.

    The question remains why our civilization suffers from this particular "matriarchal" mental disease. Marie-Louise von Franz argues that the crux of Western consciousness is the total disregard of the dark side of the feminine principle, the darkness of the Earth-Mother, in fairytales portrayed as the witch Baba Yaga, for instance. The repression of dark nature creates an inability to accept suffering as an integral part of life, and it also makes us deny the inner darkness of our own nature. She says:

    "This pronounced lack of a feminine personification of the unconscious has therefore been compensated by the radical materialism which has gradually taken hold of the Christian tradition. One could say that practically no religion began with such a highly one-sided spiritual accent and has landed - if you think of Communism as the end form of Christian theology - in such an absolutely one-sided materialistic aspect. The swing from one to the other is one of the most striking phenomena we know of in the history of religion; it is due to the fact that from the beginning there was an unawareness, an unbalanced attitude towards the problem of the feminine goddess and therefore of matter, because the feminine Godhead in all religions is always projected into and linked up with the concept of matter" (von Franz, Alchemy, 1980, p.212).

    I contend that consciousness should not rule supreme, but we must remain in tune with our heart, and with our instincts. For instance, we mustn't take upon our shoulders the moral burden of God, assuming responsibility for all the brown-skinned people in the world. In fact, it is better to remain unconscious of their sufferings than to do everything to sustain them, following UN:s "Humanity Maximization Principle", which leads to nothing good. People today tend to program themselves with the abstract values of consciousness and forget to listen to their heart. They think they are empathic, but they are only slavishly following an ideological algorithm programmed into their head. It has nothing to do with empathy.

    There is another form of consciousness, a "dark" consciousness, which leads us to withdraw into a smaller world. To care for our cat - that's empathic - because it is in tune with instinct. It is a lesson for psychoanalysis to learn, that not every problem can be solved by realization, realization, and yet more realization. Sometimes repression provides the solution, to become comfortably unconscious. The following is the mantra of our age: science, science, and yet more science - technology, technology, and yet more technology - welfare, welfare, and yet more welfare - medicine, medicine, and yet more medicine - economic expansion, economic expansion, and yet more economic expansion - globalization, globalization, and yet more globalization - multiculturalism, multiculturalism, and yet more multiculturalism. The collective identification with the conscious values has now reached such proportions that the Western civilization can be said to suffer from neurosis. This explains the sudden outbreak of psychotic destructivity, as in the recent Norwegian mass-murder (July 22, 2011, Oslo and Utöya). Norway is at the pinnacle of Western civilization, its richest and most beautiful country. It is symptomatic that the devil (as the revolting unconscious) should strike back and have his revenge at this very place. He made his deadly counterattack at a social democratic political camp where youths were busy programming themselves with the above mantra. Although I condemn this horrible crime, I am also saying that it is merely symptomatic.

    This form of murderous destructivity is well-known in historical culture. Human sacrifice has been an institution in cultures all over the globe, and still occurs in some areas. In Scandinavia we discontinued this cultic practice only 1,000 years ago. In the theology of ancient religion, it is necessary to furnish the gods with lifeblood, so that they, in turn, can contribute to the well-being and continuance of society and culture. It's a giving and taking. So the murderer is affected by an archaic religious concept that has its roots in the unconscious. This tallies with the analysis that his actions can be likened to a psychotic episode. A neurotic culture gives rise to murderous eruptions from the unconscious, in groups or individuals.

    Thoughtways that are affected by a revolting unconscious are archaic and have archetypal dimensions. They are always contaminated with unconscious vulgarity and instinctuality, such as aggression. The theme of blood sacrifice is notorious. Accordingly, the perpetrator is also a member of a freemason lodge and entertains notions of himself as a crusader, a Knights Templar.

    The problem is that in all these archaic eruptions lies a kernel of truth, but collective consciousness refuses to give heed to the unconscious. The result is only that the unconscious complex becomes even more archaic and aggressive, the more repressed it is. For instance, our instincts tell us that we should promote our own genetic kind and our own culture. All species have such instincts, without which no progress could have occurred. But we program our heads with multicultural dogmas and allow massive immigration of quite alien ethnicities and cultures. If we repress our negative feelings and refuse to discuss the problem, and refrain from grappling with it in civilized terms, then the unconscious will erupt with its archaic "understanding" of the problem. This is what we see in this case.

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    So a condensed version would be the grass is greener in the Eastern World?

    I dunno.

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    The collective neurosis depends on an identification with conscious values (political correctness) to the detriment of natural feelings, the dark aspects of our nature, on lines of von Franz, above. The latter contents become repressed. People who give expression to them are maligned and defamed. An individual who remains identified with the collective (and hence is an ideal citizen, as it were) is neurotic to an equal degree as the societal collective.

    The unconscious contains archaic complexes, primitive ideas, that sometimes surface in dreams. We can speak of these as "archetypal", i.e., they are "bigger than life" in some sense. An archetype is an unconscious complex of collective nature, laden with emotion, able to "hypnotize" the masses, as in collective crazes, such as the Nazi rallies in the thirties. When society, through the ruling ideology, represses the unconscious, the result is that dangerous archetypes can constellate. This can occur when contents belonging to our human nature are repressed and contained within the unconscious, and not allowed room to live. These contents contain energy which will activate (energize) the archetype, and the subject starts fantazising about knights in armour fighting the Islamic hordes, etc. This typically occurs, for instance, if the ruling ideology represses people's feelings for their nation and ethnicity.

    We have to listen to the unconscious and our dark nature, even though the content is disagreable according to the ruling conscious mores. This is called "integration of the unconscious" and is essential to mental health as it allows us to remain relatively integrated and whole as human beings. During the Victorian era women weren't expected to have any sexual feelings, according to the ruling ideal. They repressed their sexuality to the extent that it erupted in violent neurosis, called hysteria. Whole collectives of people become neurotic when they aren't allowed to have their natural feelings.

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    snce ths s all cut and paste there is no life here.
     
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    I wrote all this yesterday. It is immensely important to understand these mechanisms, if you don't want more school shootings in the US. Stop dismissing people who make an effort to understand things.
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    Now its sounds like you are threatening a school shooting if people dont agree with you.

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    Albert Ellis, founder of Gestalt Therapy, theorized that all individuals are nuerotic and the only differences are related to the degree of the nuerosis. If that is accepted as a given, then nuerosis is part and parcel of the human condition. The danger occurs in individuals when an extreme nuerotic condition morphs into psychosis which then results in homicidal behavior.
    It is arguable whether or not a psychotic condition can be mapped onto a collective. Those who believe it can, point to The Third Reich as a prime example.
     
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    This form of murderous destructivity is well-known in historical culture. Human sacrifice has been an institution in cultures all over the globe, and still occurs in some areas. In Scandinavia we discontinued this cultic practice only 1,000 years ago. In the theology of ancient religion, it is necessary to furnish the gods with lifeblood, so that they, in turn, can contribute to the well-being and continuance of society and culture. It's a giving and taking. So the murderer is affected by an archaic religious concept that has its roots in the unconscious. This tallies with the analysis that his actions can be likened to a psychotic episode. A neurotic culture gives rise to murderous eruptions from the unconscious, in groups or individuals..........................

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    I am not working in the field of psychology or sociology or anything like that, but I am working on the subject since 1991, when I discovered, that I am affected by a some sort of a collective disorder of the civilized society.
    I discovered that 3 years after a suicidal crisis, when I felt much better than ever in my 43 years of life before.
    The trigger for the suicidal crisis was the sudden suicide of my youngest brother in Dec. 1987.
    In May, 1992, on the "symbolic" date of May 8th, the "Day of Capitulation", also my other brother suicided. And then, after these two suicides, I felt fear, similar thing could happen also to me. So I began to eagerly look for origins of mental disorder and suicide.
    Very soon I found books with information to a collective neurosis in the civilized society, but I could not find any institutions working on HEALING this disorder. In 1992 I started a project to inform people / the public about this disorder, which I called the "Collective Civilization Neurosis" (in German: Kollektive Zivilisations-Neurose) and about the way of natural basic / holistic healing by Self-Development (German: Selbst-Entwicklung).

    I had found out very soon, that the Collective Civilization Neurosis is mainly a disorder of the development of consciousness, lack of development of the "higher / true self", which should be done in the age of puberty, in order to develop to a true adult, who can do all things true adults should be abele to do. In particular, overcome fear and not suppress it and not "run away".
    Only a true adult is able to maintain good relations to other people and grow up his children ALSO to true adults.

    This know-how we civilized people have lost in the process of civilization, which began abt. 10.000 years ago - depending on what we consider as the beginning of "Civilization".


    I am aware of the symbolic contents of fairytales, legends, bible stories and similar ones. But very few people in the civilized society understand those symbols / contents. The dont even see or know, that there is also a "hidden" symbolic meaning in those stories. Only the "higher self" in people can naturally see / understand the - important, helpful - symbolic contents, which also originate in the "higher self", in the "godly consciousness". The mother tongue of the higher self is SYMBOLIC.


    Back to the Collective Neurosis:
    The problem is, all the people affected in the - western - civilized society are victims of alienation. They are divided from many things which belong to the life of a true adult. And if the affected people would complete their puberty also with the mental / spiritual aspect and would transform from "lower self" / "ego" to their "higher / true self", everything would HEAL.
    The higher self IS the healing energy / power. We may call it the power of love or life force energy or the "Christ Consciousness". Its all the same. There ist only the one universal energy in the universe. "consciousness energy".

    Potentially, everyone is already "child of God". The "higher self", the godly consciousness, is in the human from the beginning. But in the childhood it does not RULE yet. but the EGO rules. That has to be changed by decision and by really doing in the puberty. In order to become true adults, they must clean their (sub-)consciousness from old suppressions, unify and IDENTIFY with the higher self.

    Time runs short:
    The 2nd world war or the time 1933-1945 had been called a "Collective Psychosis". And the origin of it was the Collective Civilization Neurosis.
    After 1945 the Collective Civilization Neurosis was aware to some people, but this knowledge did not lead to measures of collective healing. As a result, again and furthermore the civilized society suppressed thoughts and feelings, which are ENERGIES, and again a potential for another Collective Psychosis was collected.
    Looking at things happen in the civilized society, I see the faster growing danger of a Collective Psychosis.

    The big majority of all our politicians, scientists and other "leaders" everywhere CANNOT SEE this development, because it grows in their subconsciousness! They do not understand, what happens. They do not know, what they are doing.

    Mankind is facing a very big challenge: To get aware of the Collective Civilization Neurosis, to heal it and to make sure for all future, that it cannot occur again.
     
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    Indeed, modern people are divided against themselves because of a one-sided self-ideal, too much idealized, conceptual, and programmatic. Instinctual atrophy and the loss of contact with the symbolic realm of the spirit (the unconscious) has dire consequences. It seems you have drawn largely the correct conclusions. My latest article discusses the force of Thanatos, responsible for diverse destructivity, like warfare, but also self-destructivity in human beings. Thanatos is continuing to build up in the collective unconscious. I am fearful of the consequences. My Thanatos article is here:
    Thanatos - the death drive

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