The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Billo_Really]

It was written by a Pro Palestine group or person.

Read it with a grain of salt.

You're saying Ahad Ha'am was pro-Palestinian?

 

[Sixties Fan]

He was not a historian.
Try facts.

Muslim conquest of the Levant - Wikipedia

You're funny. He didn't have to be. He was living at that time in history. You don't have to be a historian, when you are part of the history.

Maybe you object because he's a Zionist with humanity and you like your Zionists to be crazy and inhuman?

When yo do finally learn the meaning of the word Zionism, let us know.

 

[Sixties Fan]

It was written by a Pro Palestine group or person.

Read it with a grain of salt.

You're saying Ahad Ha'am was pro-Palestinian?

UNISPAL is a Palestinian site. Duh.

 

[Billo_Really]

The creation of the State of Israel had absolutely nothing to do with numbers. It had everything to so with the Jewish People being the indigenous people of the area and having the right to recreate their nation on that land.

They did it legally, without an invasion and lots of weapons to scare off the rest of the population living there.

Something which cannot be said about the Arabs or other Muslims from the 7th century on.

Many of the Arab tribe leaders were on the side of Germany and the Ottoman Empire. They lost. Still, they got 99% of the Middle East to create Lebanon, Syria and Iraq under Arab control.

Arabs were just as indigenous as Jews. You were told this in the Balfour Declaration.

 

[rylah]

Drop the mic! I'd like to thank the Academy...

Yeah right...I'd suggest clown school.
What academy would let You in in the first place?
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Egyptians-Masarwa clan

The Masarwa clan (in Arabic : Masarwa , in Hebrew transliterated from Mazarwa ) is one of the largest Arab families in Israel. The name of the clan preserves its Egyptian origin.

History
The geographical proximity and the fact that the Land of Israel was for centuries under a regime centered in Egypt led to the almost permanent migration of peasants and Bedouins from Egypt to the Land of Israel. Beginning in the 18th century , this immigration increased, culminating in the days of Ibrahim Pasha, who conquered Palestine in 1831 and ruled it until 1840 . Many of his soldiers had deserted and remained in the country, and general immigration had increased since his rule. During the British Mandate many workers were brought from Egypt and some remained in Israel. The rise in the standard of living of the Arabs in the country also had a great influence on the Egyptian fellahs from the delta region, who suffered from great poverty and overcrowding.

The Egyptian immigrants dispersed throughout the country, but mainly concentrated between Tulkarm and Gaza. Some of the names of the villages and the family names of the Arabs in the country testify to the Egyptian origin or hint at a certain place of origin in Egypt. According to Yaakov Shimoni, this group is the largest of the foreign minorities among Muslims in Israel. [1] [2]

Q. What did You say about Arab migrations, and the rights of foreign occupants, again please?

 

[Billo_Really]

The issue remains that you do not know who is an indigenous Jew.

You keep putting them in different categories.

Jews on one side, Zionists on the other.

Zionists are indigenous Jews who went to live in Europe at some point, and decided to return at the end of the 19th century to recreate their Nation in a legal way.

Many Jews who went to live in Europe returned to their homeland before the Zionist movement.

All are Jews, you accept it or not.

Indigenous Jews are the Jews who were living there along side indigenous Arabs. Zionists are the assholes who moved in to the area treating all the Arabs like garbage.

Zionism is a political movement. Judaism is a religion. They are two very different things. Zionism uses Judaism much the same way a cheap whore uses a tampon. To be used when needed, then discarded in the trash when it is no longer useful.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The creation of the State of Israel had absolutely nothing to do with numbers. It had everything to so with the Jewish People being the indigenous people of the area and having the right to recreate their nation on that land.

They did it legally, without an invasion and lots of weapons to scare off the rest of the population living there.

Something which cannot be said about the Arabs or other Muslims from the 7th century on.

Many of the Arab tribe leaders were on the side of Germany and the Ottoman Empire. They lost. Still, they got 99% of the Middle East to create Lebanon, Syria and Iraq under Arab control.

Arabs were just as indigenous as Jews. You were told this in the Balfour Declaration.

A people cannot be indigenous from two different places.

Kenyans cannot be indigenous of Sudan and vice-versa.

The Berbers cannot be indigenous of Egypt and the Copts indigenous of Morocco.

No, the Balfour Declaration did not say that non Jews were Indigenous of the land.

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

 

[Billo_Really]

You keep inverting history.
It does not matter.

Israel exists, and your rejection of it and all the Jews (most are Zionists ) will not make it disappear ever.

Your viciousness and that of the Muslims and Christians who hate Jews will make sure that Israel will remain strong, always.

You shoot at 8 month old babies; you shoot at people in wheelchairs; you shoot at people fishing; you shoot at people farming; yet you call me vicious?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The issue remains that you do not know who is an indigenous Jew.

You keep putting them in different categories.

Jews on one side, Zionists on the other.

Zionists are indigenous Jews who went to live in Europe at some point, and decided to return at the end of the 19th century to recreate their Nation in a legal way.

Many Jews who went to live in Europe returned to their homeland before the Zionist movement.

All are Jews, you accept it or not.

Indigenous Jews are the Jews who were living there along side indigenous Arabs. Zionists are the assholes who moved in to the area treating all the Arabs like garbage.

Zionism is a political movement. Judaism is a religion. They are two very different things. Zionism uses Judaism much the same way a cheap whore uses a tampon. To be used when needed, then discarded in the trash when it is no longer useful.

Learn the meaning of the word Indigenous.

Being born anywhere, does not make one indigenous FROM that area.

You are delirious.

Arabs are born anywhere in the world.

Does that make them indigenous of each and every place outside of the Arabian Peninsula?

Stop changing the meaning of the word Indigenous and you will start seeing the forrest beyond the trees.

 

[Billo_Really]

When yo do finally learn the meaning of the word Zionism, let us know.

Are you saying Ahad Ha'am wasn't a Zionist?

 

[Billo_Really]

UNISPAL is a Palestinian site. Duh.

It's a UN site, you stupid bitch!

 

[Sixties Fan]

You keep inverting history.
It does not matter.

Israel exists, and your rejection of it and all the Jews (most are Zionists ) will not make it disappear ever.

Your viciousness and that of the Muslims and Christians who hate Jews will make sure that Israel will remain strong, always.

You shoot at 8 month old babies; you shoot at people in wheelchairs; you shoot at people fishing; you shoot at people farming; yet you call me vicious?

Nobody shot at the 8 month old baby, you slanderer, libelous individual.

You are a desperate hater of Jews, that is all.

Stop playing at knowing it all, wanting it all, being judge, jury and executioner when it comes to the Jewish people.

We have been there for the past 1700 years and seen it all.

Your lies are no different than any of the other lies and accusations meant to demean, delegitimize and destroy the Jews at any time for the past 1700 years.

Anyway you put it, you lose.

 

[Sixties Fan]

UNISPAL is a Palestinian site. Duh.

It's a UN site, you stupid bitch!

It says UN, just because. Fool

 

[Billo_Really]

Yeah right...I'd suggest clown school.
What academy would let You in in the first place?
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Egyptians-Masarwa clan

The Masarwa clan (in Arabic : Masarwa , in Hebrew transliterated from Mazarwa ) is one of the largest Arab families in Israel. The name of the clan preserves its Egyptian origin.

History
The geographical proximity and the fact that the Land of Israel was for centuries under a regime centered in Egypt led to the almost permanent migration of peasants and Bedouins from Egypt to the Land of Israel. Beginning in the 18th century , this immigration increased, culminating in the days of Ibrahim Pasha, who conquered Palestine in 1831 and ruled it until 1840 . Many of his soldiers had deserted and remained in the country, and general immigration had increased since his rule. During the British Mandate many workers were brought from Egypt and some remained in Israel. The rise in the standard of living of the Arabs in the country also had a great influence on the Egyptian fellahs from the delta region, who suffered from great poverty and overcrowding.

The Egyptian immigrants dispersed throughout the country, but mainly concentrated between Tulkarm and Gaza. Some of the names of the villages and the family names of the Arabs in the country testify to the Egyptian origin or hint at a certain place of origin in Egypt. According to Yaakov Shimoni, this group is the largest of the foreign minorities among Muslims in Israel. [1] [2]

Q. What did You say about Arab migrations, and the rights of foreign occupants, again please?

You never watched the Oscars on TV?

You keep posting history that doesn't go past 1840. Then you "act" like you just made a point!

 

[rylah]

The creation of the State of Israel had absolutely nothing to do with numbers. It had everything to so with the Jewish People being the indigenous people of the area and having the right to recreate their nation on that land.

They did it legally, without an invasion and lots of weapons to scare off the rest of the population living there.

Something which cannot be said about the Arabs or other Muslims from the 7th century on.

Many of the Arab tribe leaders were on the side of Germany and the Ottoman Empire. They lost. Still, they got 99% of the Middle East to create Lebanon, Syria and Iraq under Arab control.

Arabs were just as indigenous as Jews. You were told this in the Balfour Declaration.

'Indigenous' is another word You don't understand.
Arabian tribes are as much indigenous to Judea Samaria as the average US citizen is indigenous to Milwaukee.

 

[Sixties Fan]

When yo do finally learn the meaning of the word Zionism, let us know.

Are you saying Ahad Ha'am wasn't a Zionist?

Definitely NOT.

 

[Billo_Really]

A people cannot be indigenous from two different places.

Kenyans cannot be indigenous of Sudan and vice-versa.

The Berbers cannot be indigenous of Egypt and the Copts indigenous of Morocco.

No, the Balfour Declaration did not say that non Jews were Indigenous of the land.

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

You just said it, dumbass!

What does it say in bold? What do you think... existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine ...refers to? The Dutch?

 

[Billo_Really]

Nobody shot at the 8 month old baby, you slanderer, libelous individual.

You are a desperate hater of Jews, that is all.

Stop playing at knowing it all, wanting it all, being judge, jury and executioner when it comes to the Jewish people.

We have been there for the past 1700 years and seen it all.

Your lies are no different than any of the other lies and accusations meant to demean, delegitimize and destroy the Jews at any time for the past 1700 years.

Anyway you put it, you lose.

The tear gas came from someone? And it wasn't the mother.
IT WAS YOU!

 

[rylah]

Yeah right...I'd suggest clown school.
What academy would let You in in the first place?
---------------------------------------------------------


Egyptians-Masarwa clan

The Masarwa clan (in Arabic : Masarwa , in Hebrew transliterated from Mazarwa ) is one of the largest Arab families in Israel. The name of the clan preserves its Egyptian origin.

History
The geographical proximity and the fact that the Land of Israel was for centuries under a regime centered in Egypt led to the almost permanent migration of peasants and Bedouins from Egypt to the Land of Israel. Beginning in the 18th century , this immigration increased, culminating in the days of Ibrahim Pasha, who conquered Palestine in 1831 and ruled it until 1840 . Many of his soldiers had deserted and remained in the country, and general immigration had increased since his rule. During the British Mandate many workers were brought from Egypt and some remained in Israel. The rise in the standard of living of the Arabs in the country also had a great influence on the Egyptian fellahs from the delta region, who suffered from great poverty and overcrowding.

The Egyptian immigrants dispersed throughout the country, but mainly concentrated between Tulkarm and Gaza. Some of the names of the villages and the family names of the Arabs in the country testify to the Egyptian origin or hint at a certain place of origin in Egypt. According to Yaakov Shimoni, this group is the largest of the foreign minorities among Muslims in Israel. [1] [2]

Q. What did You say about Arab migrations, and the rights of foreign occupants, again please?

You never watched the Oscars on TV?

You keep posting history that doesn't go past 1840. Then you "act" like you just made a point!

Either You have a serious case of sclerosis, or You just can't deal with basic information.
Anyway You're crazy.

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/27420/arabimmigrationi26gott.pdf

 

[Sixties Fan]

A people cannot be indigenous from two different places.

Kenyans cannot be indigenous of Sudan and vice-versa.

The Berbers cannot be indigenous of Egypt and the Copts indigenous of Morocco.

No, the Balfour Declaration did not say that non Jews were Indigenous of the land.

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

You just said it, dumbass!

What does it say in bold? What do you think... existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine ...refers to? The Dutch?

It means, NON INDIGENOUS population of the area in the Mandate for Palestine.

It meant the Arab Muslims and Christians, the Bedouins, the Druze, the Turks.

You will not find one tourist, historian, the Ottomans or the British who will refer to any of the above as "Indigenous" to that land.

Ever.