The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[P F Tinmore]

Arabs didn't migrate into the area. You did!

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

So compared to the waves of invading Arabian tribes throughout the history, Jewish immigration was just a drop in the bucket. While it took centuries for invading Arabian tribes to turn the place into a barren land full of swamps and disease, it took less than a 100 years of Jewish immigration to turn the place into the most advanced country in the middle east. The land itself shows whom it belongs to.

There is something missing here.

The 1925 citizenship order automatically gave Palestinian citizenship to all of the Palestinians who were present in the country at that time. Those who were out of the country for any reason were not counted. However, the order stipulated that all Palestinians had two years to return home or lose their citizenship.

This number was not mentioned.

Don't bring up the old Israel made the desert bloom canard again. Palestine produced a surplus of food that was exported to other Arab countries and Europe.

 

[Hollie]

Arabs didn't migrate into the area. You did!

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

So compared to the waves of invading Arabian tribes throughout the history, Jewish immigration was just a drop in the bucket. While it took centuries for invading Arabian tribes to turn the place into a barren land full of swamps and disease, it took less than a 100 years of Jewish immigration to turn the place into the most advanced country in the middle east. The land itself shows whom it belongs to.

There is something missing here.

The 1925 citizenship order automatically gave Palestinian citizenship to all of the Palestinians who were present in the country at that time. Those who were out of the country for any reason were not counted. However, the order stipulated that all Palestinians had two years to return home or lose their citizenship.

This number was not mentioned.

Don't bring up the old Israel made the desert bloom canard again. Palestine produced a surplus of food that was exported to other Arab countries and Europe.

I think what’s missing is your acknowledgement that you’re, yet again, attempting to perpetuate a fraud.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arabs didn't migrate into the area. You did!

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

So compared to the waves of invading Arabian tribes throughout the history, Jewish immigration was just a drop in the bucket. While it took centuries for invading Arabian tribes to turn the place into a barren land full of swamps and disease, it took less than a 100 years of Jewish immigration to turn the place into the most advanced country in the middle east. The land itself shows whom it belongs to.

There is something missing here.

The 1925 citizenship order automatically gave Palestinian citizenship to all of the Palestinians who were present in the country at that time. Those who were out of the country for any reason were not counted. However, the order stipulated that all Palestinians had two years to return home or lose their citizenship.

This number was not mentioned.

Don't bring up the old Israel made the desert bloom canard again. Palestine produced a surplus of food that was exported to other Arab countries and Europe.

I think what’s missing is your acknowledgement that you’re, yet again, attempting to perpetuate a fraud.

It's true, look it up.

 

[Hollie]

Arabs didn't migrate into the area. You did!

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

So compared to the waves of invading Arabian tribes throughout the history, Jewish immigration was just a drop in the bucket. While it took centuries for invading Arabian tribes to turn the place into a barren land full of swamps and disease, it took less than a 100 years of Jewish immigration to turn the place into the most advanced country in the middle east. The land itself shows whom it belongs to.

There is something missing here.

The 1925 citizenship order automatically gave Palestinian citizenship to all of the Palestinians who were present in the country at that time. Those who were out of the country for any reason were not counted. However, the order stipulated that all Palestinians had two years to return home or lose their citizenship.

This number was not mentioned.

Don't bring up the old Israel made the desert bloom canard again. Palestine produced a surplus of food that was exported to other Arab countries and Europe.

I think what’s missing is your acknowledgement that you’re, yet again, attempting to perpetuate a fraud.

It's true, look it up.

I looked it up. That’s why I know you attempted to perpetrate the same fraud you have tried to perpetrate many times before.

Your continued attempt at fraud makes you appear desperate, dishonest, ignorant? You pick the term.

 

[rylah]

Arabs didn't migrate into the area. You did!

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

So compared to the waves of invading Arabian tribes throughout the history, Jewish immigration was just a drop in the bucket. While it took centuries for invading Arabian tribes to turn the place into a barren land full of swamps and disease, it took less than a 100 years of Jewish immigration to turn the place into the most advanced country in the middle east. The land itself shows whom it belongs to.

There is something missing here.

The 1925 citizenship order automatically gave Palestinian citizenship to all of the Palestinians who were present in the country at that time. Those who were out of the country for any reason were not counted. However, the order stipulated that all Palestinians had two years to return home or lose their citizenship.

This number was not mentioned.

Don't bring up the old Israel made the desert bloom canard again. Palestine produced a surplus of food that was exported to other Arab countries and Europe.

So does apply to Jews who fled because of rough conditions under the Muslim rule.

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Bedouin tribes, such as the notorious Ben Sakk'r, of whom H. B. Tristram (The Land of Israel: A Journal of Travels in Palestine, Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, London, 1865) wrote that they "can muster 1,000 cavalry and always join their brethren when a raid or war is on the move. They have obtained their present possessions gradually and, in great measure, by driving out the fellahin (peasants), destroying their villages and reducing their rich corn-fields to pasturage." (p. 488.)
Tristram goes on to present a remarkable and highly revealing description of conditions in Palestine on both sides of the Jordan River in the middle of the 19th century—a description that belies the Arab claim of a tranquil, normally developing Palestinian rural economy allegedly disrupted by Jewish immigration and settlement.


"Tristram goes on to present a remarkable and highly revealing description of conditions in Palestine on both sides of the Jordan River in the middle of the 19th century—a description that belies the Arab claim of a tranquil, normally developing Palestinian rural economy allegedly disrupted by Jewish immigration and settlement. A few years ago, the whole Ghor was in the hands of the fellahin, and much of it cultivated for corn. Now the whole of it is in the hands of the Bedouin, who eschew all agriculture, except in a few spots cultivated here and there by their slaves; and with the Bedouin come lawlessness and the uprooting of all Turkish authority. No government is now acknowledged on the east side; and unless the Porte acts with greater firmness and caution than is his wont . . . Palestine will be desolated and given up to the nomads. The same thing is now going on over the plain of Sharon, where, both in the north and south, land is going out of cultivation, and whole villages rapidly disappearing from the face of the earth. Since the year 1838, no less than 20 villages have been thus erased from the map and the stationary population extirpated. Very rapidly the Bedouin are encroaching wherever horse can be ridden; and the Government is utterly powerless to resist them or to defend its subjects. (p. 490)"

With regard to yet another region in Palestine—the Beisan (Beit Shean) area—we quote from the report of Mr. Lewis French, Director of Development appointed by the British Government in 1931: We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria. . . . Large areas of their lands were uncultivated and covered with weeds. There were no trees, no vegetables. The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbour these and other criminals. The individual plots of cultivation changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin's lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbours the Bedouin.

This, then, was the picture of Palestine in the closing decades of the 19th century and up to the First World War:
a land that was overwhelmingly desert, with nomads continually encroaching on the settled areas and its farmers; a lack of elementary facilities and equipment; peasants wallowing in poverty, ignorance and disease, saddled with debts (interest rates at times were as high as 60 per cent) and threatened by warlike nomads or neighbouring clans. T h e result was a growing neglect of the soil and a flight from the villages, with a mounting concentration of lands in the hands of a small number of large landowners, frequently residing in such distant Arab capitals as Beirut and Damascus, Cairo and Kuwait. Here, in other words, was a social and economic order that had all the earmarks of a medieval feudal society.

https://www.wordfromjerusalem.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/the-case-for-israel-appendix2.pdf

Q. Wonder why Jews resisted the notion of another Muslim rule?

 

[montelatici]

Sure it was all desert in the late 19th century.

 

[rylah]

Sure it was all desert in the late 19th century.

That's 20 years after the 1st Zionist immigration, after decades of Jewish projects and investment.

And yes it was pretty much the most abused and mistreated district of the Ottoman empire.
Swamps and diseases don't appear when people actively live and treat the land. It took Jews less than 50 years to dry them all and make the land flower with milk and honey.

 

[Billo_Really]

Here is another example of the underlying disregard you have for the indigenous Jewish people which betrays your true beliefs. While you pay a casual lip service to the "1967" lines, in your other posts, such as this one, you reveal nothing but contempt for the Jewish narrative and the fundamental rights of the Jewish people to their historical, ancestral and religious homeland.

Um....earth to Shusha, earth to Shusha, the 2nd bubble down shows I'm very kind to indigenous Palestinian-Jews.

"10% of peaceful, indigenous Palestinian-Jews, saw their homeland invaded by asshole Zionists..."​

I called the Jews peaceful.
I called them indigenous.
And I referred to the area where they lived as their "homeland".

That is YOUR argument! So why is it, when I say it, does it become "contempt"?

 

[Shusha]

So why is it, when I say it, does it become "contempt"?

Um. Could it be because you also include the words: asshole, narcissistic, racist, apartheid, hostile and violent when describing Jews? Tough one. But I think that could be it.

 

[rylah]

Um....earth to Shusha, earth to Shusha, the 2nd bubble down shows I'm very kind to indigenous Palestinian-Jews.

"10% of peaceful, indigenous Palestinian-Jews, saw their homeland invaded by asshole Zionists..."​

I called the Jews peaceful.
I called them indigenous.
And I referred to the area where they lived as their "homeland".

That is YOUR argument! So why is it, when I say it, does it become "contempt"?

You're a BS artist.

During the War of Independence in 1948, a number of yeshiva
students came to Rabbi Uziel to obtain exemptions from military service.
He rejected their requests and said that if he were not already an
old man himself, he would be holding a gun and hand grenade, fighting
to defend the Old City of Jerusalem where he was born and raised.
This was a battle of life and death for the people of Israel. How could
anyone want to be exempted from fighting this great battle? On the
contrary, each person should rise to the occasion and give strength to
his fellow soldiers. He told the yeshiva students that it was a mitsvah for
them to join in the defense of their people, to risk their lives alongside
their brothers, to defend the Jewish people and the Jewish land. [11]

The Grand Religious Worldview of Rabbi Benzion Uziel | jewishideas.org

 

[Billo_Really]

You have no clue neither about history nor about geography.
Show me one country in the region which wasn't invaded by Arabs?


Even according to Palestinian sources Arabs are migrants and descendant's of colonizing invaders:

Kafr ad Dik Town Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Rafat is a Palestinian village in the Salfit Governorate located 13 km west of Salfit City. It is bordered by Kafr ad Dik village to the east, Deir Ballut to the south, Kafr Qasem (of 1948 lands) to the west, and Az Zawiya town to the north (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Kafr ad Dik town is said to be named after a man called “Ad Dik” who is believed to have come from the Arabian Peninsula and lived in the Jordan Valley area for a period of time before he moved to the town and settled in it. Prior re to his arrival the region was called “Kafir Ben Muhanna.” The town was established in 1700 with its residents descending from Arab al Masa‟id tribe from the Arabian Peninsula (Kafr ad Dik Municipality, 2012).

http://vprofile.arij.org/salfit/pdfs/vprofile/Kafr ad Dik_tp_en.pdf

Then why is it, the famous Zionist humanist Ahad Ha'am, referred to the migrating Zionists as the "settlers" and the Palestinian-arabs as the "natives"?

"Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives..." ​

Drop the mic! I'd like to thank the Academy...

 

[rylah]

You have no clue neither about history nor about geography.
Show me one country in the region which wasn't invaded by Arabs?


Even according to Palestinian sources Arabs are migrants and descendant's of colonizing invaders:

Kafr ad Dik Town Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Rafat is a Palestinian village in the Salfit Governorate located 13 km west of Salfit City. It is bordered by Kafr ad Dik village to the east, Deir Ballut to the south, Kafr Qasem (of 1948 lands) to the west, and Az Zawiya town to the north (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Kafr ad Dik town is said to be named after a man called “Ad Dik” who is believed to have come from the Arabian Peninsula and lived in the Jordan Valley area for a period of time before he moved to the town and settled in it. Prior re to his arrival the region was called “Kafir Ben Muhanna.” The town was established in 1700 with its residents descending from Arab al Masa‟id tribe from the Arabian Peninsula (Kafr ad Dik Municipality, 2012).

http://vprofile.arij.org/salfit/pdfs/vprofile/Kafr ad Dik_tp_en.pdf

Then why is it, the famous Zionist humanist Ahad Ha'am, referred to the migrating Zionists as the "settlers" and the Palestinian-arabs as the "natives"?

"Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives..." ​

Drop the mic! I'd like to thank the Academy...

He was not a historian.
Try facts.

Muslim conquest of the Levant - Wikipedia

 

[Sixties Fan]

You have no clue neither about history nor about geography.
Show me one country in the region which wasn't invaded by Arabs?


Even according to Palestinian sources Arabs are migrants and descendant's of colonizing invaders:

Kafr ad Dik Town Profile

Location and Physical Characteristics
Rafat is a Palestinian village in the Salfit Governorate located 13 km west of Salfit City. It is bordered by Kafr ad Dik village to the east, Deir Ballut to the south, Kafr Qasem (of 1948 lands) to the west, and Az Zawiya town to the north (ARIJ-GIS, 2013) (See Map 1).

History
Kafr ad Dik town is said to be named after a man called “Ad Dik” who is believed to have come from the Arabian Peninsula and lived in the Jordan Valley area for a period of time before he moved to the town and settled in it. Prior re to his arrival the region was called “Kafir Ben Muhanna.” The town was established in 1700 with its residents descending from Arab al Masa‟id tribe from the Arabian Peninsula (Kafr ad Dik Municipality, 2012).

http://vprofile.arij.org/salfit/pdfs/vprofile/Kafr ad Dik_tp_en.pdf

Then why is it, the famous Zionist humanist Ahad Ha'am, referred to the migrating Zionists as the "settlers" and the Palestinian-arabs as the "natives"?

"Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives..." ​

Drop the mic! I'd like to thank the Academy...

It was written by a Pro Palestine group or person.

Read it with a grain of salt.

 

[Billo_Really]

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

So compared to the waves of invading Arabian tribes throughout the history, Jewish immigration was just a drop in the bucket. While it took centuries for invading Arabian tribes to turn the place into a barren land full of swamps and disease, it took less than a 100 years of Jewish immigration to turn the place into the most advanced country in the middle east. The land itself shows whom it belongs to.

According to Lord Curzon in 1920...

"Here is a country with 580,000 Arabs and 30,000 or is it 60,000 Jews (by no means all Zionists)..."​

According to UN records, Zionist immigration into Palestine from 1920 - 1929 was as follows...

... during the decade about 100,000 Jewish immigrants entered Palestine,

the total population in 1922 was officially estimated at about 750,000.

In absolute terms the Jewish population more than doubled, and in percentage terms rose from below 10 per cent to over 17 per cent during this period.
​

Jews were only 17% of a population of 750,000 inhabitants.

 

[Billo_Really]

Um. Could it be because you also include the words: asshole, narcissistic, racist, apartheid, hostile and violent when describing Jews? Tough one. But I think that could be it.

Those words are for Zionists, not indigenous Jews.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel.

Arab immigration into Palestine, and specifically into pre-State Israel during the census period 1922-1931 reflects, to some degree, the different levels of economic activity within Palestine and between it and the contiguous Arab States. Arab immigration accounted for 38.7 percent of the total increase in Arab settled population in pre-State Israel, and constituted 11.8 percent of its 1931 population. Although less numerically than the Jewish immigration during the period, the significance of Arab immigration is nonetheless emphasized by its comparison with the Jewish population inflov;. Arab immigration composed 36.8 percent of the total immigration into pre-State Israel. The situation in non-Israel Palestine was somewhat different. There, Arab migration v;as positive, but inconsequential.

* 54,790 Arabs migrated just in the short period of the Mandate.

So compared to the waves of invading Arabian tribes throughout the history, Jewish immigration was just a drop in the bucket. While it took centuries for invading Arabian tribes to turn the place into a barren land full of swamps and disease, it took less than a 100 years of Jewish immigration to turn the place into the most advanced country in the middle east. The land itself shows whom it belongs to.

According to Lord Curzon in 1920...

"Here is a country with 580,000 Arabs and 30,000 or is it 60,000 Jews (by no means all Zionists)..."​

According to UN records, Zionist immigration into Palestine from 1920 - 1929 was as follows...

... during the decade about 100,000 Jewish immigrants entered Palestine,

the total population in 1922 was officially estimated at about 750,000.

In absolute terms the Jewish population more than doubled, and in percentage terms rose from below 10 per cent to over 17 per cent during this period.
​

Jews were only 17% of a population of 750,000 inhabitants.

The creation of the State of Israel had absolutely nothing to do with numbers. It had everything to so with the Jewish People being the indigenous people of the area and having the right to recreate their nation on that land.

They did it legally, without an invasion and lots of weapons to scare off the rest of the population living there.

Something which cannot be said about the Arabs or other Muslims from the 7th century on.

Many of the Arab tribe leaders were on the side of Germany and the Ottoman Empire. They lost. Still, they got 99% of the Middle East to create Lebanon, Syria and Iraq under Arab control.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Um. Could it be because you also include the words: asshole, narcissistic, racist, apartheid, hostile and violent when describing Jews? Tough one. But I think that could be it.

Those words are for Zionists, not indigenous Jews.

The issue remains that you do not know who is an indigenous Jew.

You keep putting them in different categories.

Jews on one side, Zionists on the other.

Zionists are indigenous Jews who went to live in Europe at some point, and decided to return at the end of the 19th century to recreate their Nation in a legal way.

Many Jews who went to live in Europe returned to their homeland before the Zionist movement.

All are Jews, you accept it or not.

 

[Billo_Really]

You're a BS artist.

During the War of Independence in 1948, a number of yeshiva
students came to Rabbi Uziel to obtain exemptions from military service.
He rejected their requests and said that if he were not already an
old man himself, he would be holding a gun and hand grenade, fighting
to defend the Old City of Jerusalem where he was born and raised.
This was a battle of life and death for the people of Israel. How could
anyone want to be exempted from fighting this great battle? On the
contrary, each person should rise to the occasion and give strength to
his fellow soldiers. He told the yeshiva students that it was a mitsvah for
them to join in the defense of their people, to risk their lives alongside
their brothers, to defend the Jewish people and the Jewish land. [11]

The Grand Religious Worldview of Rabbi Benzion Uziel | jewishideas.org

There wouldn't have been a war, if you hadn't treated the Arabs like garbage.

 

[Billo_Really]

He was not a historian.
Try facts.

Muslim conquest of the Levant - Wikipedia

You're funny. He didn't have to be. He was living at that time in history. You don't have to be a historian, when you are part of the history.

Maybe you object because he's a Zionist with humanity and you like your Zionists to be crazy and inhuman?

 

[Sixties Fan]

You're a BS artist.

During the War of Independence in 1948, a number of yeshiva
students came to Rabbi Uziel to obtain exemptions from military service.
He rejected their requests and said that if he were not already an
old man himself, he would be holding a gun and hand grenade, fighting
to defend the Old City of Jerusalem where he was born and raised.
This was a battle of life and death for the people of Israel. How could
anyone want to be exempted from fighting this great battle? On the
contrary, each person should rise to the occasion and give strength to
his fellow soldiers. He told the yeshiva students that it was a mitsvah for
them to join in the defense of their people, to risk their lives alongside
their brothers, to defend the Jewish people and the Jewish land. [11]

The Grand Religious Worldview of Rabbi Benzion Uziel | jewishideas.org

There wouldn't have been a war, if you hadn't treated the Arabs like garbage.

You keep inverting history.
It does not matter.

Israel exists, and your rejection of it and all the Jews (most are Zionists ) will not make it disappear ever.

Your viciousness and that of the Muslims and Christians who hate Jews will make sure that Israel will remain strong, always.