The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth

[Hollie]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

Every time they try, the Muslims get their asses kicked.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Jew Matvei Berman invented the Gulag, so this kind of stuff just comes natural...

 

[Hollie]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

They tried, but suffered humiliating losses.

I know, right, you’re incensed that the Arab-Islamist armies and their wars for a hoped-for genocide never happed. The Arabs-Islamists simply failed, repeatedly, to drive the Jews into the sea. Learn to live with your failures and disappointments.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

They tried, but suffered humiliating losses.

I know, right, you’re incensed that the Arab-Islamist armies and their wars for a hoped-for genocide never happed. The Arabs-Islamists simply failed, repeatedly, to drive the Jews into the sea. Learn to live with your failures and disappointments.

What Israeli land did anyone try to steal?

 

[Boston1]

Not sure why I even bother but hey, look at who's surrounding who LOL

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, Oldstyle, et al,

Q: P F Tinmore, --- What Israeli land did anyone try to steal?

A: Just because a threat is thwarted while in progress does not mean a crime wasn't committed.

The Arab League attacked, and the Arab League was repealed...

It should be noted that if the Arab League wanted the Arab Palestinian to have clear entry and egress points along the common borders, the Arab League Members would open the borders.

Israel does not surround either of the territories. Gaza has a border in common with Egypt (Arab League Member) and the West Bank has a border in common with the Jordanians (Arab League Member). Israel did not encapsulate either of the two territories. Both Arab Palestinian territories have borders in common with Arab League Countries that participated in the multinational effort to takeover Israel (1948 - 1967 - 1973).

What is the beef?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JoelT1]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Israel is occupying Israel? An absurdity. The term occupation first was used when Germany occupied France.

What territories is Israel occupying? Judea and Samaria? “Jew” is from “Judea” And Samaria is, too, ancient Jewish land.

 

[JoelT1]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

Um, Arabs and Muslims are not indigenous to Israel. Jews are indigenous.

Arabs & Muslims are invaders, from their native Arabia

 

[JoelT1]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, Oldstyle, et al,

Q: P F Tinmore, --- What Israeli land did anyone try to steal?

A: Just because a threat is thwarted while in progress does not mean a crime wasn't committed.

The Arab League attacked, and the Arab League was repealed...

It should be noted that if the Arab League wanted the Arab Palestinian to have clear entry and egress points along the common borders, the Arab League Members would open the borders.

Israel does not surround either of the territories. Gaza has a border in common with Egypt (Arab League Member) and the West Bank has a border in common with the Jordanians (Arab League Member). Israel did not encapsulate either of the two territories. Both Arab Palestinian territories have borders in common with Arab League Countries that participated in the multinational effort to takeover Israel (1948 - 1967 - 1973).

What is the beef?

Most Respectfully,
R

There is no Israeli occupation of territories, especially territories historically named Judea and Samaria. “Jew” derives from “Judea” and Samaria is ancient Jewish land, too

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ JoelT1, et al,

As much as I would like to agree with you, ---- ancient claims do not justify a contemporary conflict. Certainly, such ancient past events can be used to establish a "historical connection;" but, NOT a claim to sovereignty. In the days that the territory was govern by the Hebrews, 2 to 3 Millennium ago (930 BCE–586 BCE), there was no such thing as International Law, or even the Rule of Law (RoL).

There is no Israeli occupation of territories, especially territories historically named Judea and Samaria. “Jew” derives from “Judea” and Samaria is ancient Jewish land, too

(COMMENT)

We must use the RoL of the modern era.

It is a valid argument to state that when the Territory was "occupied" under the effective control and authority of Israel in August 1988, after Jordan cut all ties with the West Bank, there was no domestic government (Arab Palestinian) in the West Bank to gain consent. Jordan had expressly and implicitly relinquished sovereignty. At the point (1 AUG 88) → "sovereignty over the land belonging to no one" → Israel was the only nation having effective control over the territory.

But at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself: When did the Arab Palestinian ever have sovereign control (the ultimate authority to impose law) over any part of the territory in dispute?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JoelT1]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ JoelT1, et al,

As much as I would like to agree with you, ---- ancient claims do not justify a contemporary conflict. Certainly, such ancient past events can be used to establish a "historical connection;" but, NOT a claim to sovereignty. In the days that the territory was govern by the Hebrews, 2 to 3 Millennium ago (930 BCE–586 BCE), there was no such thing as International Law, or even the Rule of Law (RoL).

There is no Israeli occupation of territories, especially territories historically named Judea and Samaria. “Jew” derives from “Judea” and Samaria is ancient Jewish land, too

(COMMENT)

We must use the RoL of the modern era.

It is a valid argument to state that when the Territory was "occupied" under the effective control and authority of Israel in August 1988, after Jordan cut all ties with the West Bank, there was no domestic government (Arab Palestinian) in the West Bank to gain consent. Jordan had expressly and implicitly relinquished sovereignty. At the point (1 AUG 88) → "sovereignty over the land belonging to no one" → Israel was the only nation having effective control over the territory.

But at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself: When did the Arab Palestinian ever have sovereign control (the ultimate authority to impose law) over any part of the territory in dispute?

Most Respectfully,
R

Renowned legal scholar Eugene Rostow puts the matter to rest: There is no Israeli occupation Google Groups

Eugene Rostow Eugene V. Rostow '37: Dean, Scholar, Statesman - Yale Law School

 

[flacaltenn]

Not only open air, but at times, and nowadays in Gaza, a maximum-security prison. Recently, the Israeli government officially celebrated the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. Already in 1967, Judea and Samaria, namely the West Bank, were liberated areas, not territories to be held in custody for the return of a peace agreement, in the eyes of all the Zionist parties, while Gaza was seen as an enclave that had to be always guarded either from within or without.

Thus in 1967, the Israeli government then -- and all the successive governments since -- regarded the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as territories that had always be under either direct or indirect Israeli rule. The second decision was that the people who live in these territories will not be granted Israeli citizenship, nor were they allowed to have their own sovereignty or independence. They were also not driven out, as were the Palestinians in 1948. So, they were intentionally defined as people without citizen rights and at the mercy of first military rule, and then civil administration that did not only violate their civic rights, but also their human rights. The only system I know where people are deprived of these basic rights is the prison system. These people were incarcerated in this mega-prison for no other crime than being Palestinians. They were allowed some benefits, such as working in Israel and a limited measure of autonomy if they consented to such life -- this is the open prison model, and they were collectively punished when they resisted, and this is the maximum-security prison.

The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth

Any war that could have been prevented by active and intensive diplomacy is a war of choice.

Wowowee! You know they're getting desperate when they start with the "biggest prison on earth" crapola.

Here are some images of this so called "prison"...just look at all that SUFFERING! Ha ha ha!

your first photo is of dubai international airport your 2nd photo is Tel Aviv
INOLVIDABLE TEL AVIV

First photo is Al-Mashtal Hotel Gaza.. Iyad Kuhail Might need Facebook access to see the pages for it. 2nd photo IS Dubai...

 

[JoelT1]

Not only open air, but at times, and nowadays in Gaza, a maximum-security prison. Recently, the Israeli government officially celebrated the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. Already in 1967, Judea and Samaria, namely the West Bank, were liberated areas, not territories to be held in custody for the return of a peace agreement, in the eyes of all the Zionist parties, while Gaza was seen as an enclave that had to be always guarded either from within or without.

Thus in 1967, the Israeli government then -- and all the successive governments since -- regarded the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as territories that had always be under either direct or indirect Israeli rule. The second decision was that the people who live in these territories will not be granted Israeli citizenship, nor were they allowed to have their own sovereignty or independence. They were also not driven out, as were the Palestinians in 1948. So, they were intentionally defined as people without citizen rights and at the mercy of first military rule, and then civil administration that did not only violate their civic rights, but also their human rights. The only system I know where people are deprived of these basic rights is the prison system. These people were incarcerated in this mega-prison for no other crime than being Palestinians. They were allowed some benefits, such as working in Israel and a limited measure of autonomy if they consented to such life -- this is the open prison model, and they were collectively punished when they resisted, and this is the maximum-security prison.

The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth

Any war that could have been prevented by active and intensive diplomacy is a war of choice.

Wowowee! You know they're getting desperate when they start with the "biggest prison on earth" crapola.

Here are some images of this so called "prison"...just look at all that SUFFERING! Ha ha ha!

your first photo is of dubai international airport your 2nd photo is Tel Aviv
INOLVIDABLE TEL AVIV

First photo is Al-Mashtal Hotel Gaza.. Iyad Kuhail Might need Facebook access to see the pages for it. 2nd photo IS Dubai...

Gaza is Hebrew in origin not Arabic: Azzah, Hebrew for fortress, reflecting the ancient Jewish connection with Gaza

 

[Oldstyle]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

They tried, but suffered humiliating losses.

I know, right, you’re incensed that the Arab-Islamist armies and their wars for a hoped-for genocide never happed. The Arabs-Islamists simply failed, repeatedly, to drive the Jews into the sea. Learn to live with your failures and disappointments.

What Israeli land did anyone try to steal?

I don't think "steal" is really an appropriate wording for what's been happening between Israel and it's Arab neighbors since the 1950's, PF! Those Arab neighbors have invaded Israel repeatedly all the while stating the intention of wiping Israel off the map. To claim that they didn't attack Israel is amusing at best.

 

[JoelT1]

Not only open air, but at times, and nowadays in Gaza, a maximum-security prison. Recently, the Israeli government officially celebrated the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. Already in 1967, Judea and Samaria, namely the West Bank, were liberated areas, not territories to be held in custody for the return of a peace agreement, in the eyes of all the Zionist parties, while Gaza was seen as an enclave that had to be always guarded either from within or without.

Thus in 1967, the Israeli government then -- and all the successive governments since -- regarded the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as territories that had always be under either direct or indirect Israeli rule. The second decision was that the people who live in these territories will not be granted Israeli citizenship, nor were they allowed to have their own sovereignty or independence. They were also not driven out, as were the Palestinians in 1948. So, they were intentionally defined as people without citizen rights and at the mercy of first military rule, and then civil administration that did not only violate their civic rights, but also their human rights. The only system I know where people are deprived of these basic rights is the prison system. These people were incarcerated in this mega-prison for no other crime than being Palestinians. They were allowed some benefits, such as working in Israel and a limited measure of autonomy if they consented to such life -- this is the open prison model, and they were collectively punished when they resisted, and this is the maximum-security prison.

The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth

Any war that could have been prevented by active and intensive diplomacy is a war of choice.

Wowowee! You know they're getting desperate when they start with the "biggest prison on earth" crapola.

Here are some images of this so called "prison"...just look at all that SUFFERING! Ha ha ha!

your first photo is of dubai international airport your 2nd photo is Tel Aviv
INOLVIDABLE TEL AVIV

First photo is Al-Mashtal Hotel Gaza.. Iyad Kuhail Might need Facebook access to see the pages for it. 2nd photo IS Dubai...

Over-fed In Gaza LOL

 

[flacaltenn]

Need more of this. ^^^^^^^^

I'd LOVE to see life as it REALLY IS in Palestine. ALL of it. Not just the conflict stuff. Not just the rhetorical "concentration camp" stuff that gets recycled. I think the problem is -- most of our "free Palestine" warriors have no freaking clue how complex life is there.

 

[JoelT1]

Need more of this. ^^^^^^^^

I'd LOVE to see life as it REALLY IS in Palestine. ALL of it. Not just the conflict stuff. Not just the rhetorical "concentration camp" stuff that gets recycled. I think the problem is -- most of our "free Palestine" warriors have no freaking clue how complex life is there.

Palestine never existed. It was merely a Western name for Israel starting with Roman palaestina

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ JoelT1, et al,

As much as I would like to agree with you, ---- ancient claims do not justify a contemporary conflict. Certainly, such ancient past events can be used to establish a "historical connection;" but, NOT a claim to sovereignty. In the days that the territory was govern by the Hebrews, 2 to 3 Millennium ago (930 BCE–586 BCE), there was no such thing as International Law, or even the Rule of Law (RoL).

There is no Israeli occupation of territories, especially territories historically named Judea and Samaria. “Jew” derives from “Judea” and Samaria is ancient Jewish land, too

(COMMENT)

We must use the RoL of the modern era.

It is a valid argument to state that when the Territory was "occupied" under the effective control and authority of Israel in August 1988, after Jordan cut all ties with the West Bank, there was no domestic government (Arab Palestinian) in the West Bank to gain consent. Jordan had expressly and implicitly relinquished sovereignty. At the point (1 AUG 88) → "sovereignty over the land belonging to no one" → Israel was the only nation having effective control over the territory.

But at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself: When did the Arab Palestinian ever have sovereign control (the ultimate authority to impose law) over any part of the territory in dispute?

Most Respectfully,
R

Renowned legal scholar Eugene Rostow puts the matter to rest: There is no Israeli occupation Google Groups

Eugene Rostow Eugene V. Rostow '37: Dean, Scholar, Statesman - Yale Law School

From your link:

The West Bank and the Gaza Strip were never parts of Jordan, and Jordan's attempt to annex the West Bank was not generally recognized and has now been abandoned. The two parcels of land are parts of the Mandate that have not yet been allocated to Jordan, to Israel, or to any other state, and are a legitimate subject for discussion.​

Now, RoccoR has consistently stated the West Bank was Sovereign Jordan territory. Of course I have always disagreed with that premise.

Here is where Rostow and I disagree. He states that the land was part of the Mandate. That is not true. One of the tenets of the Mandate was the non annexation of former Turkish territory. The land was directly ceded to the respective successor states.

He also speaks of land not allocated. For one, who has the authority to allocate land. Plus, the land was already ceded to Palestine.