The Obama Deception

I never said the bandana looked like it wasn't worn. To the contrary, I believe it WAS worn because of the way it's folded. And because we know that the terrorists were wearing red bandanas, I came to the LOGICAL CONCLUSION that it was a terrorist's bandana.

As far as your explanation for WTC7, I thought we've been through that already. NIST has said themselves in their August '08 update that 7 didn't collapse because of collateral damage, but instead because of "office contents fires". They even ruled out diesel fuel as well.

You seem to have a pre-conceived notion of how it collapsed because you believe it makes the most sense, even though NIST doesn't seem to agree with you at this point. Either you aren't staying current on the facts, or you're ignoring some to support what you want to believe.

If NIST had stayed with collateral damage like they originally stated in '04, I might be able to buy that. But they abandoned it and instead insist that it was mainly office contents fires. I see pictures of the building with only a few floors burning and it insults my intelligence to accept that a bunch of office junk is burning hot enough to weaken a steel-reinforced structure to the point of a virtually symmetrical free fall collapse into a neat little pile in its footprint.

It's the manner of collapse that causes me to question it. If the building had fallen to the side where the collateral damage supposedly blew out a chunk of the south face, I'd probably be able to accept the explanation. I would expect gravity to take over in that instance and bring the weight crashing down to the direction where the weakest support was, causing a collapse that looked nothing like what actually happened.

But I'm not a physicist, structural engineer, demo expert, whatever. I just know what SEEMS to make the most sense, in my rudimentary knowledge of those subjects. Just like if terrorists are wearing red bandanas, and a red bandana is found at the crash site, it most likely belonged to a terrorist.
 
I never said the bandana looked like it wasn't worn. To the contrary, I believe it WAS worn because of the way it's folded. And because we know that the terrorists were wearing red bandanas, I came to the LOGICAL CONCLUSION that it was a terrorist's bandana.

As far as your explanation for WTC7, I thought we've been through that already. NIST has said themselves in their August '08 update that 7 didn't collapse because of collateral damage, but instead because of "office contents fires". They even ruled out diesel fuel as well.

You seem to have a pre-conceived notion of how it collapsed because you believe it makes the most sense, even though NIST doesn't seem to agree with you at this point. Either you aren't staying current on the facts, or you're ignoring some to support what you want to believe.

If NIST had stayed with collateral damage like they originally stated in '04, I might be able to buy that. But they abandoned it and instead insist that it was mainly office contents fires. I see pictures of the building with only a few floors burning and it insults my intelligence to accept that a bunch of office junk is burning hot enough to weaken a steel-reinforced structure to the point of a virtually symmetrical free fall collapse into a neat little pile in its footprint.

It's the manner of collapse that causes me to question it. If the building had fallen to the side where the collateral damage supposedly blew out a chunk of the south face, I'd probably be able to accept the explanation. I would expect gravity to take over in that instance and bring the weight crashing down to the direction where the weakest support was, causing a collapse that looked nothing like what actually happened.

But I'm not a physicist, structural engineer, demo expert, whatever. I just know what SEEMS to make the most sense, in my rudimentary knowledge of those subjects. Just like if terrorists are wearing red bandanas, and a red bandana is found at the crash site, it most likely belonged to a terrorist.
WTC7 had smoked windows, so you can see the fires as well as you would have in non-smoked windows
but if you look from the damaged side you can see there were several floors fully engaged
i really dont give a shit what the NIST said
i never used their findings to begin with
neither do i care what tyhe 9/11 commission said
thats where the troofers fuck up
hjust because they are wrong on some point, doesnt make it an inside job
the 9/11 commission was nothing but a political CYA to mean
they never told us anything we didnt already know
 
Not giving a shit about what the primary experts that were tasked with explaning the event concluded is a bit irresponsible in my opinion. If you don't care what THEY conclude, where do you draw your conclusion from? Your own opinion? Either that, or you're a structural engineer yourself, and you have devised your own scientific theory. Otherwise, NIST and FEMA are the best we have to go on.

I suppose you don't care what Popular Mechanics thinks either? I mean, they seem to get thrown in the faces of the truthers on a regular basis.
 
Not giving a shit about what the primary experts that were tasked with explaning the event concluded is a bit irresponsible in my opinion. If you don't care what THEY conclude, where do you draw your conclusion from? Your own opinion? Either that, or you're a structural engineer yourself, and you have devised your own scientific theory. Otherwise, NIST and FEMA are the best we have to go on.

I suppose you don't care what Popular Mechanics thinks either? I mean, they seem to get thrown in the faces of the truthers on a regular basis.
not just because of what they are
but i have read most of the material on it and it makes sense
 
And you don't at least WONDER how those kinds of SPECIFIC identifying items miraculously survive firey crashes that leave planes literally in little itty bitty pieces?

Drivers licenses, bandanas, etc. Those kinds of things are actually ON your person. A license is either in a purse or a pocket, and a bandana is ON YOUR HEAD. How do the bodies practically disintegrate, but those items are still easily recognizable?

That's tough for me to swallow until a better explanation comes along than stranger things have happened.

Small items like that do miraculously survive such events. My dad is firefighter and he has shown me pictures of items that survived a blaze that tore down a complete house. Small things like ID's, License's, Credit cards, etc. Hell its almost as strange as cockroaches who can survive a nuclear blast.....
 
the official 911 story is made up of endless highly improbably stranger things have happened events... one after the other... that needed to occur.... in sequence .....and against all probabilty... somehow did...
 
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the official 911 story is made up of endless highly improbably stranger things have happened events... one after the other... that needed to occur.... in sequence .....and against all probabilty... somehow did...
wrong
most of it is based on solid scientific evidence
some of it you will NEVER know as there are things that escape explaination
but moron fuckwads like you and the rest of the moron troofers are too fucking STUPID to understand
 
the official 911 story is made up of endless highly improbably stranger things have happened events... one after the other... that needed to occur.... in sequence .....and against all probabilty... somehow did...

well yeah.only soome retard on drugs would still accept the official version but cant we keep this discussion about the actual topic here.Obama?
 
yeah your right,they SHOULD.Well Im glad you at least dont see any proof that supports the official version.as far as Obama goes,the reason that people should not like him as president is because he is no different than any other president than we have had for the past 40 plus years.Like i said,Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate back then that people should have even considered to vote for because of the reasons I stated previously.He served in the Reagan administration and resigned cause he saw first hand how corrupt they are up in washington.He saw how BOTH parties are corrupt.thats theres no difference between the two parties.People like truthmatters-his user name is a joke cause he ignores the facts that Clinton committed perjury and should do prison time cause of it,people like him,cant get past it that both parties are corrupt and neither represent the people.He can see Bush's wrong doings but he refuses to look at Clintons.pretty sad.Ron Paul has the same visions that kennedy had as president.Thats one of the main reasons kennedy was killed by the CIA was he wanted to abolish the federal reserve and put us back on the gold standard-something Paul does as well.every president since kennedy,have all been evil and corrupt and Obama is no different.[/QUOTE]

what I would like is to have Paulie comment on is THIS post here instead of 9/11.
 
yeah your right,they SHOULD.Well Im glad you at least dont see any proof that supports the official version.as far as Obama goes,the reason that people should not like him as president is because he is no different than any other president than we have had for the past 40 plus years.Like i said,Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate back then that people should have even considered to vote for because of the reasons I stated previously.He served in the Reagan administration and resigned cause he saw first hand how corrupt they are up in washington.He saw how BOTH parties are corrupt.thats theres no difference between the two parties.People like truthmatters-his user name is a joke cause he ignores the facts that Clinton committed perjury and should do prison time cause of it,people like him,cant get past it that both parties are corrupt and neither represent the people.He can see Bush's wrong doings but he refuses to look at Clintons.pretty sad.Ron Paul has the same visions that kennedy had as president.Thats one of the main reasons kennedy was killed by the CIA was he wanted to abolish the federal reserve and put us back on the gold standard-something Paul does as well.every president since kennedy,have all been evil and corrupt and Obama is no different.

what I would like is to have Paulie comment on is THIS post here instead of 9/11.[/QUOTE]

Well it's no secret that I'm a Paul supporter. You are preaching to the choir in that regard. As far as JFK, I'm not so quickly inclined to believe the official version. I'm also not very educated on the subject, but I am aware of the things he wanted to do that would obviously have angered the establishment. I have my doubts about certain things, but I gave up putting much thought into them years ago.

It's like this...if these things really were inside jobs, the only way anything would ever be done about it is if the entire public got off their fat lazy asses and revolted. Otherwise, if there really is a new world order and presidents are owned by a shadowy elite, we're screwed anyway. There aren't NEARLY enough people in this country who care enough to turn the TV off and fight for a cause.
 
I just came across this by accident today when i was doing research on Bill clinton.thought i would post it for the people that dont bother to watch videos.not that it will do any good since many people here are in denial and afraid of the truth about things like this about Obama.



The Audacity of Deceit (Book)

By: Brad O’Leary

WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?

You will be shocked to learn what lies beneath the well-polished rhetoric of this slick orator. Obama speaks vaguely about “change,” but as this book reveals, Obama’s brand of change is a hostile attack on the Judeo-Christian values and freedoms most Americans hold dear.

This isn’t “change you can believe in”—it is change designed to uproot American culture and replace it with the failed, secular, socialist policies of the past.

In "The Audacity of Deceit" you’ll learn how Obama:

Blocked emergency medical aid for babies who survived abortion.

Plans to ban the use of firearms by lawabiding citizens—even for self-defense.

Was abandoned by his bigamist father and raised in a Muslim society—and
how this influences his values.

Would raise tax rates to a Hoover-like 60 percent.

Will transform the U.S. Treasury into the United Nations’ ATM.

Wants fuel prices high and farmland taken out of production.

Will grant federal medical insurance to 12 million illegal aliens and increase
emergency room costs alone by $15.4 billion annually.

Would transfer child-rearing from parents to the federal government with his
secular “0 to 5” program.
You will also read exclusive polling results that reveal the 30 percent of Americans who pay no taxes, what they believe, and who they are planning to vote for.

His goal? Replace the Judeo-Christian values that gave birth to the “land of the free” with failed radical leftist beliefs.

This is the one book every American must read—before it’s too late!

NOTE: Purchasing "The Audacity of Deceit" from WND's online store also qualifies you to receive three FREE issues of WND's acclaimed monthly print magazine, Whistleblower. Watch for the FREE offer during checkout.

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I just came across this by accident today when i was doing research on Bill clinton.thought i would post it for the people that dont bother to watch videos.not that it will do any good since many people here are in denial and afraid of the truth about things like this about Obama.



The Audacity of Deceit (Book)

By: Brad O’Leary

WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?

You will be shocked to learn what lies beneath the well-polished rhetoric of this slick orator. Obama speaks vaguely about “change,” but as this book reveals, Obama’s brand of change is a hostile attack on the Judeo-Christian values and freedoms most Americans hold dear.

This isn’t “change you can believe in”—it is change designed to uproot American culture and replace it with the failed, secular, socialist policies of the past.

In "The Audacity of Deceit" you’ll learn how Obama:

Blocked emergency medical aid for babies who survived abortion.

Plans to ban the use of firearms by lawabiding citizens—even for self-defense.

Was abandoned by his bigamist father and raised in a Muslim society—and
how this influences his values.

Would raise tax rates to a Hoover-like 60 percent.

Will transform the U.S. Treasury into the United Nations’ ATM.

Wants fuel prices high and farmland taken out of production.

Will grant federal medical insurance to 12 million illegal aliens and increase
emergency room costs alone by $15.4 billion annually.

Would transfer child-rearing from parents to the federal government with his
secular “0 to 5” program.
You will also read exclusive polling results that reveal the 30 percent of Americans who pay no taxes, what they believe, and who they are planning to vote for.

His goal? Replace the Judeo-Christian values that gave birth to the “land of the free” with failed radical leftist beliefs.

This is the one book every American must read—before it’s too late!

NOTE: Purchasing "The Audacity of Deceit" from WND's online store also qualifies you to receive three FREE issues of WND's acclaimed monthly print magazine, Whistleblower. Watch for the FREE offer during checkout.

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None of the Above (Book) - $16.95
The Obama Nation (Book) - $27.95
Welcome to Obamaland: I Have Seen Your Future and It Doesn't Work (Book) - $27.95


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Discount Price $18.17






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Yup. Obama has an agenda alright. No book necessary; just pay attention to his actions.
 
I just came across this by accident today when i was doing research on Bill clinton.thought i would post it for the people that dont bother to watch videos.not that it will do any good since many people here are in denial and afraid of the truth about things like this about Obama.



The Audacity of Deceit (Book)

By: Brad O’Leary

WHO IS BARACK OBAMA?

You will be shocked to learn what lies beneath the well-polished rhetoric of this slick orator. Obama speaks vaguely about “change,” but as this book reveals, Obama’s brand of change is a hostile attack on the Judeo-Christian values and freedoms most Americans hold dear.

This isn’t “change you can believe in”—it is change designed to uproot American culture and replace it with the failed, secular, socialist policies of the past.

In "The Audacity of Deceit" you’ll learn how Obama:

Blocked emergency medical aid for babies who survived abortion.

Plans to ban the use of firearms by lawabiding citizens—even for self-defense.

Was abandoned by his bigamist father and raised in a Muslim society—and
how this influences his values.

Would raise tax rates to a Hoover-like 60 percent.

Will transform the U.S. Treasury into the United Nations’ ATM.

Wants fuel prices high and farmland taken out of production.

Will grant federal medical insurance to 12 million illegal aliens and increase
emergency room costs alone by $15.4 billion annually.

Would transfer child-rearing from parents to the federal government with his
secular “0 to 5” program.
You will also read exclusive polling results that reveal the 30 percent of Americans who pay no taxes, what they believe, and who they are planning to vote for.

His goal? Replace the Judeo-Christian values that gave birth to the “land of the free” with failed radical leftist beliefs.

This is the one book every American must read—before it’s too late!

NOTE: Purchasing "The Audacity of Deceit" from WND's online store also qualifies you to receive three FREE issues of WND's acclaimed monthly print magazine, Whistleblower. Watch for the FREE offer during checkout.

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A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media (Book) - $25.95
None of the Above (Book) - $16.95
The Obama Nation (Book) - $27.95
Welcome to Obamaland: I Have Seen Your Future and It Doesn't Work (Book) - $27.95


$25.95
Discount Price $18.17






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Yup. Obama has an agenda alright. No book necessary; just pay attention to his actions.

yeah and its obviously an evil one like Clintons and Bushs were.you never answered my question I posed on the welcome thread not too long ago which was -you DO know that there is no difference between the two parties of republicans and the democrats,that they have the same world agenda of a new world order dont you? that unless a third party is created,there isnt much hope for the future of the world.I assume you DO know this right? was what I wanted a response on from you just so i know if you are aware of these things and not in denial like divecon and many others. I assumed from your two links in your thread,that you were aware of this and thats why the world is in such a mess cause NEITHER party is for the people and BOTH are corrupt? which is why good honest people like ron paul and dennis kucinich never get elected? that the elite make SURE they dont?
 
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A Blast From The Past,

but one that's well worth viewing and commenting upon,

especially in light of how things have gone.
 

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