The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[elektra]

Why can’t you admit Truman’s actions were undeniably a war crime, for which he should have hung?
Man up boys!

I win, under your rules of war, the Japanese are criminals, we were the police. How long do you wait to stop a mass muderer? You dont. You do everything in your power to stop a mass muderer.

Thank you for proving yourself wrong.

The mass murderer must be stopped, you do not negotiate. You stop the crime from continuing.

 

[gipper]

Why can’t you admit Truman’s actions were undeniably a war crime, for which he should have hung?
Man up boys!

I win, under your rules of war, the Japanese are criminals, we were the police. How long do you wait to stop a mass muderer? You dont. You do everything in your power to stop a mass muderer.

Thank you for proving yourself wrong.

The mass murderer must be stopped, you do not negotiate. You stop the crime from continuing.

Stop the mass murder by committing mass murder.

This is the thinking of the American statist dupe.

 

[mikegriffith1]

What follows are three relatively short extracts from Dr. Peter Kuznick’s article “The Decision to Risk the Future: Harry Truman, the Atomic Bomb and the Apocalyptic Narrative,” published in The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus, July 3, 2007. Dr. Kuznick is a professor of history at American University.

Inflated Casualty Estimates for U.S. Invasion of Japan:

This victor’s narrative privileges possible American deaths over actual Japanese ones. As critics of the bombing have become more vocal in recent years, projected American casualty estimates have grown apace--from the War Department’s 1945 prediction of 46,000 dead to Truman’s 1955 insistence that General George Marshall feared losing a half million American lives to Stimson’s 1947 claim of over 1,000,000 casualties to George H.W. Bush’s 1991 defense of Truman’s “tough calculating decision, [which] spared millions of American lives,” to the 1995 estimate of a crew member on Bock’s Car, the plane that bombed Nagasaki, who asserted that the bombing saved six million lives--one million Americans and five million Japanese. (p. 2)​

Innumerable scholars have debunked the “half a million” myth, and we know from internal War Department memos that senior military planners knew this estimate was baseless and implausible. But, as we can see, this hasn’t stopped the myth from not only being spread but from being padded. There were several reasonable versions of surrender terms that would have ended the war without an invasion, but Truman rejected every one of them, even after he learned, several weeks before Hiroshima, that the emperor wanted to end the war and that he hoped the Soviets would broker a peace deal.

The Nuking of Hiroshima Produced Limited Military Casualties Because the Bomb Was Aimed at the Civilian Part of the City:

American strategic planners targeted the civilian part of the city, maximizing the bomb’s destructive power and civilian deaths. It produced limited military casualties. Admiral William Leahy angrily told an interviewer in 1949 that although Truman told him they would “only … hit military objectives …. they went ahead and killed as many women and children as they could, which was just what they wanted all the time.” (p. 2)​

Of course, when Truman announced the nuking of Hiroshima, he not only said that Hiroshima was “a military base” but that it had been chosen “because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians.” It is possible that Truman did not know this was an obscene lie; he may have been merely repeating what he had been told by his military advisers and/or by Byrnes. Over 100,000 civilians were killed at Hiroshima, most of them women and children.

The Air Force Association and the American Legion Demanded that All Photos of Hiroshima Victims Be Removed from the 1995 Enola Gay Exhibit:

The Smithsonian’s ill-fated 1995 Enola Gay exhibit was doomed when Air Force Association and American Legion critics demanded the elimination of photos of Japanese bombing victims, particularly women and children, and insisted on removal of the charred lunch box containing carbonized rice and peas that belonged to a seventh-grade schoolgirl who disappeared in the bombing. Resisting efforts to humanize or personalize the Japanese, they objected strenuously to inclusion of photos or artifacts that would place human faces on the bombs’ victims and recall their individual suffering. (p. 3)​

 

[gipper]

What follows are three relatively short extracts from Dr. Peter Kuznick’s article “The Decision to Risk the Future: Harry Truman, the Atomic Bomb and the Apocalyptic Narrative,” published in The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus, July 3, 2007. Dr. Kuznick is a professor of history at American University.

Inflated Casualty Estimates for U.S. Invasion of Japan:

This victor’s narrative privileges possible American deaths over actual Japanese ones. As critics of the bombing have become more vocal in recent years, projected American casualty estimates have grown apace--from the War Department’s 1945 prediction of 46,000 dead to Truman’s 1955 insistence that General George Marshall feared losing a half million American lives to Stimson’s 1947 claim of over 1,000,000 casualties to George H.W. Bush’s 1991 defense of Truman’s “tough calculating decision, [which] spared millions of American lives,” to the 1995 estimate of a crew member on Bock’s Car, the plane that bombed Nagasaki, who asserted that the bombing saved six million lives--one million Americans and five million Japanese. (p. 2)​

Innumerable scholars have debunked the “half a million” myth, and we know from internal War Department memos that senior military planners knew this estimate was baseless and implausible. But, as we can see, this hasn’t stopped the myth from not only being spread but from being padded. There were several reasonable versions of surrender terms that would have ended the war without an invasion, but Truman rejected every one of them, even after he learned, several weeks before Hiroshima, that the emperor wanted to end the war and that he hoped the Soviets would broker a peace deal.

The Nuking of Hiroshima Produced Limited Military Casualties Because the Bomb Was Aimed at the Civilian Part of the City:

American strategic planners targeted the civilian part of the city, maximizing the bomb’s destructive power and civilian deaths. It produced limited military casualties. Admiral William Leahy angrily told an interviewer in 1949 that although Truman told him they would “only … hit military objectives …. they went ahead and killed as many women and children as they could, which was just what they wanted all the time.” (p. 2)​

Of course, when Truman announced the nuking of Hiroshima, he not only said that Hiroshima was “a military base” but that it had been chosen “because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians.” It is possible that Truman did not know this was an obscene lie; he may have been merely repeating what he had been told by his military advisers and/or by Byrnes. Over 100,000 civilians were killed at Hiroshima, most of them women and children.

The Air Force Association and the American Legion Demanded that All Photos of Hiroshima Victims Be Removed from the 1995 Enola Gay Exhibit:

The Smithsonian’s ill-fated 1995 Enola Gay exhibit was doomed when Air Force Association and American Legion critics demanded the elimination of photos of Japanese bombing victims, particularly women and children, and insisted on removal of the charred lunch box containing carbonized rice and peas that belonged to a seventh-grade schoolgirl who disappeared in the bombing. Resisting efforts to humanize or personalize the Japanese, they objected strenuously to inclusion of photos or artifacts that would place human faces on the bombs’ victims and recall their individual suffering. (p. 3)​

Myths die hard to the American statist. They just can’t wrap their heads around the senseless killing committed by our government. They think condemning the killing of defenseless Japanese women and children is somehow anti American.

Truman should have been tried and hung, just as the Nazis were at Nuremberg. FDR should have been hung in absentia.

 

[elektra]

What follows are three relatively short extracts from Dr. Peter Kuznick’s article “The Decision to Risk the Future: Harry Truman, the Atomic Bomb and the Apocalyptic Narrative,” published in The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus, July 3, 2007. Dr. Kuznick is a professor of history at American University.

Inflated Casualty Estimates for U.S. Invasion of Japan:

This victor’s narrative privileges possible American deaths over actual Japanese ones. As critics of the bombing have become more vocal in recent years, projected American casualty estimates have grown apace--from the War Department’s 1945 prediction of 46,000 dead to Truman’s 1955 insistence that General George Marshall feared losing a half million American lives to Stimson’s 1947 claim of over 1,000,000 casualties to George H.W. Bush’s 1991 defense of Truman’s “tough calculating decision, [which] spared millions of American lives,” to the 1995 estimate of a crew member on Bock’s Car, the plane that bombed Nagasaki, who asserted that the bombing saved six million lives--one million Americans and five million Japanese. (p. 2)​

Innumerable scholars have debunked the “half a million” myth, and we know from internal War Department memos that senior military planners knew this estimate was baseless and implausible. But, as we can see, this hasn’t stopped the myth from not only being spread but from being padded. There were several reasonable versions of surrender terms that would have ended the war without an invasion, but Truman rejected every one of them, even after he learned, several weeks before Hiroshima, that the emperor wanted to end the war and that he hoped the Soviets would broker a peace deal.

The Nuking of Hiroshima Produced Limited Military Casualties Because the Bomb Was Aimed at the Civilian Part of the City:

American strategic planners targeted the civilian part of the city, maximizing the bomb’s destructive power and civilian deaths. It produced limited military casualties. Admiral William Leahy angrily told an interviewer in 1949 that although Truman told him they would “only … hit military objectives …. they went ahead and killed as many women and children as they could, which was just what they wanted all the time.” (p. 2)​

Of course, when Truman announced the nuking of Hiroshima, he not only said that Hiroshima was “a military base” but that it had been chosen “because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians.” It is possible that Truman did not know this was an obscene lie; he may have been merely repeating what he had been told by his military advisers and/or by Byrnes. Over 100,000 civilians were killed at Hiroshima, most of them women and children.

The Air Force Association and the American Legion Demanded that All Photos of Hiroshima Victims Be Removed from the 1995 Enola Gay Exhibit:

The Smithsonian’s ill-fated 1995 Enola Gay exhibit was doomed when Air Force Association and American Legion critics demanded the elimination of photos of Japanese bombing victims, particularly women and children, and insisted on removal of the charred lunch box containing carbonized rice and peas that belonged to a seventh-grade schoolgirl who disappeared in the bombing. Resisting efforts to humanize or personalize the Japanese, they objected strenuously to inclusion of photos or artifacts that would place human faces on the bombs’ victims and recall their individual suffering. (p. 3)​

You are such a hack. Ignoring so many posts. No problem, I am glad to see you run and hide from every false narrative you have started.

 

[elektra]

What follows are three relatively short extracts from Dr. Peter Kuznick’s article “The Decision to Risk the Future: Harry Truman, the Atomic Bomb and the Apocalyptic Narrative,” published in The Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus, July 3, 2007. Dr. Kuznick is a professor of history at American University.

Inflated Casualty Estimates for U.S. Invasion of Japan:

This victor’s narrative privileges possible American deaths over actual Japanese ones. As critics of the bombing have become more vocal in recent years, projected American casualty estimates have grown apace--from the War Department’s 1945 prediction of 46,000 dead to Truman’s 1955 insistence that General George Marshall feared losing a half million American lives to Stimson’s 1947 claim of over 1,000,000 casualties to George H.W. Bush’s 1991 defense of Truman’s “tough calculating decision, [which] spared millions of American lives,” to the 1995 estimate of a crew member on Bock’s Car, the plane that bombed Nagasaki, who asserted that the bombing saved six million lives--one million Americans and five million Japanese. (p. 2)​

Innumerable scholars have debunked the “half a million” myth, and we know from internal War Department memos that senior military planners knew this estimate was baseless and implausible. But, as we can see, this hasn’t stopped the myth from not only being spread but from being padded. There were several reasonable versions of surrender terms that would have ended the war without an invasion, but Truman rejected every one of them, even after he learned, several weeks before Hiroshima, that the emperor wanted to end the war and that he hoped the Soviets would broker a peace deal.

The Nuking of Hiroshima Produced Limited Military Casualties Because the Bomb Was Aimed at the Civilian Part of the City:

American strategic planners targeted the civilian part of the city, maximizing the bomb’s destructive power and civilian deaths. It produced limited military casualties. Admiral William Leahy angrily told an interviewer in 1949 that although Truman told him they would “only … hit military objectives …. they went ahead and killed as many women and children as they could, which was just what they wanted all the time.” (p. 2)​

Of course, when Truman announced the nuking of Hiroshima, he not only said that Hiroshima was “a military base” but that it had been chosen “because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians.” It is possible that Truman did not know this was an obscene lie; he may have been merely repeating what he had been told by his military advisers and/or by Byrnes. Over 100,000 civilians were killed at Hiroshima, most of them women and children.

The Air Force Association and the American Legion Demanded that All Photos of Hiroshima Victims Be Removed from the 1995 Enola Gay Exhibit:

The Smithsonian’s ill-fated 1995 Enola Gay exhibit was doomed when Air Force Association and American Legion critics demanded the elimination of photos of Japanese bombing victims, particularly women and children, and insisted on removal of the charred lunch box containing carbonized rice and peas that belonged to a seventh-grade schoolgirl who disappeared in the bombing. Resisting efforts to humanize or personalize the Japanese, they objected strenuously to inclusion of photos or artifacts that would place human faces on the bombs’ victims and recall their individual suffering. (p. 3)​

Uh, you do realize that once again you have offered zero proof that you are right, you simply posted something that dictates it is so?

You have zero proof that the causalties estimates were inaccurate.

Yes, you posted something that dictates what we are to believe.

And, then you can not concentrate on one topic, you ramble off into other directions.

Truly, you are an idiot.

 

[elektra]

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia

At the time of its bombing, Hiroshima was a city of industrial and military significance. A number of military units were located nearby, the most important of which was the headquarters of Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's Second General Army, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan,[113] and was located in Hiroshima Castle. Hata's command consisted of some 400,000 men, most of whom were on Kyushu where an Allied invasion was correctly anticipated.[114] Also present in Hiroshima were the headquarters of the 59th Army, the 5th Division and the 224th Division, a recently formed mobile unit.[115] The city was defended by five batteries of 7-cm and 8-cm (2.8 and 3.1 inch) anti-aircraft guns of the 3rd Anti-Aircraft Division, including units from the 121st and 122nd Anti-Aircraft Regiments and the 22nd and 45th Separate Anti-Aircraft Battalions. In total, an estimated 40,000 Japanese military personnel were stationed in the city.[116]

Hiroshima was a supply and logistics base for the Japanese military.[117] The city was a communications center, a key port for shipping, and an assembly area for troops.[79] It was a beehive of war industry, manufacturing parts for planes and boats, for bombs, rifles, and handguns.[118] The center of the city contained several reinforced concrete buildings and lighter structures. Outside the center, the area was congested by a dense collection of small timber workshops set among Japanese houses. A few larger industrial plants lay near the outskirts of the city. The houses were constructed of timber with tile roofs, and many of the industrial buildings were also built around timber frames. The city as a whole was highly susceptible to fire damage.[119] It was the second largest city in Japan after Kyoto that was still undamaged by air raids,[120]primarily because it lacked the aircraft manufacturing industry that was the XXI Bomber Command's priority target. On July 3, the Joint Chiefs of Staff placed it off limits to bombers, along with Kokura, Niigata and Kyoto.[121]

 

[HenryBHough]

That Japan remains afloat is testimony to Democrat Truman's weakness.

 

[elektra]

Most elements of the Japanese Second General Army headquarters were undergoing physical training on the grounds of Hiroshima Castle, barely 900 yards (820 m) from the hypocenter. The attack killed 3,243 troops on the parade ground.

 

[elektra]

Sad, would you rather die due to medical experiments by the murderous japanese or a nuclear blast that ends the torture?

Eight U.S. prisoners of war killed as part of the medical experiments program at Kyushu University were falsely reported by Japanese authorities as having been killed in the atomic blast as part of an attempted cover up.[172]

 

[elektra]

20,000 koreans, conscripted, slaves, forced to work for the japanese, died in the blast. How many died before, who knows, nobody has cared about the Korean victims of the japanese.

 

[gipper]

Most elements of the Japanese Second General Army headquarters were undergoing physical training on the grounds of Hiroshima Castle, barely 900 yards (820 m) from the hypocenter. The attack killed 3,243 troops on the parade ground.

Are you really trying to justify the bombing that killed 100,000 civilians, mostly women and children, because the Japanese had a small number of troops there?

You can’t be serious right? You’re joking right?

 

[gipper]

20,000 koreans, conscripted, slaves, forced to work for the japanese, died in the blast. How many died before, who knows, nobody has cared about the Korean victims of the japanese.

You care about Koreans, but not Japanese. WTF!

Are you Dirty Harry Truman’s love grandchild?

 

[elektra]

Horrific Japanese Crimes in WWII That History Forgot

The atrocities committed by the Japanese military during World War Two are so brutal that it is almost impossible to comprehend them. In some ways, it may be better to forget this terrible history, yet to do so would dishonor those who suffered and died. A look at the worst of Japan's crimes in WW2 also helps us understand today's world a little better, especially the animosity Korea and China still have for Japan. Moreover, it is important that we learn and remember the horrible crimes in our recent history so that we can make sure they never happen again.

WARNING: This list contains extremely disturbing content.

 

[elektra]

 

[gipper]

Horrific Japanese Crimes in WWII That History Forgot

The atrocities committed by the Japanese military during World War Two are so brutal that it is almost impossible to comprehend them. In some ways, it may be better to forget this terrible history, yet to do so would dishonor those who suffered and died. A look at the worst of Japan's crimes in WW2 also helps us understand today's world a little better, especially the animosity Korea and China still have for Japan. Moreover, it is important that we learn and remember the horrible crimes in our recent history so that we can make sure they never happen again.

WARNING: This list contains extremely disturbing content.

Okay. That’s awful. So, you think THAT justifies Truman’s incinerating 200,000 defenseless Japanese women and children?

I keep asking you this question, but you refuse to answer.

 

[elektra]

10.2 million Chinese
According to Rummel, in China alone, during 1937–45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and a total of 10.2 million Chinese were killed in the course of the war.

 

[elektra]

 

[elektra]

American prisoners, starved by the Japanese, beaten, tortured, many did not live after being liberated from the Japanese

 

[elektra]

https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-louis-zamperini

Zamperini was shipped to the Japanese mainland and eventually confined to three different interrogation centers and POW camps. Over the next two years, he suffered from disease, exposure, starvation, and near-daily beatings from guards. Japanese corporal Mutsuhiro Watanabe, nicknamed “the Bird” by the POWs, took particular glee in torturing the runner. During stints at the Omori and Naoetsu prison camps, Mutsuhiro pummeled Zamperini with clubs, belts and fists and regularly threatened to kill him. On one occasion, he had Zamperini hold a heavy wooden beam above his head and threatened to shoot him if he dropped it; on another, he forced Zamperini and other American prisoners to punch each other until they were nearly all knocked unconscious. Speaking of Mutsuhiro, Zamperini would later say he kept a watch out for him “like I was looking for a lion loose in the jungle.”