onedomino
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Canavar, below is an example of what side your new Soviet pals are on. As Israel recently prepared to eliminate a Syrian nuclear weapons facility, the New Soviets warned Syria that Israel was about to attack. That is the reality of your "Brothers of the Black Sea." Turkey is lining up on the wrong side. The US State Department should argue for the cancellation of both the recent Turk F-16 order and Turk participation in the JSF F-35 program. Then Turkey can be content with being on the wrong end of combat result ratios such as the F-15's 104 to 0 record against Soviet built aircraft. In fact, to show how sanguine we are with recent Turk political activity, maybe the US should ship the Turk F-16 order to Greece. But such a move might undermine the Turk military which may soon be the only significant secular institution left in Turkey. How long before Turkey turns into Pakistan? Certainly the Turk civilian government is increasingly Islamist. To what degree has the military been infiltrated? Canavar, what happened to your prediction that Turkey would invade northern Iraq? Could it be that false bluster was timed for the 22 July national election? Or did the Turk military get instructions from the US Central Command to stand down? Probably both. Could it be that Turk military chest thumping is as detached from reality as the extreme anti American reporting that constantly appears in the Turkishish media?Soviets are past.
Russia is a friendly country, with which cultural, economic , political exchange and Anti-Terrorism works very well.
We are friendly countries vice-versa and business activities cement this for the future. Our bilateral trade is 10 times higher than that of Russia-Iran.
Russia is a mix of federal and central state. Turkey has direct ethnic links to Russian authnomous Republics like Tatarstan, Baschkortistan and other authonomous Republics of Russia which are still in Russian federal system.
To deepen ties with these authonomous Republics goes via Moscow. And it goes very well if i may add.
I just wait for Russia to open up ressource sector for Turkish firms, like they did for Italy, so Turkey can produce natural gas direct there.
Currently natural gas which Turkey imports from Russia is 50/50 Italian-Russian export.
Will be a matter of time till Turkish firms will be investing in ressources there, as we expand in energy sector to other countries but to Russia not yet.
"Russia Today" is indeed government financed, so what?
I am educated enough, to know what is propaganda and what matches my view of certain things.
I also watch sundays at CNN always the show with Wolf Blitzer.
I also receive via Satellite Aljazeera, France 24 and Deutsche Welle all in English language.
"Russia Today" is part of this being update on what is going around by different perspectives.
You have no liability to watch anything i provide. But if you would, you would know more about Russia allthough via Internet you can inform too.
This is no judgement about your knowledge of Russia, as i do not presumen someone's knowledge about different things.
My Avatar is no joke. It will become reality.
My signature is a joke, kind of parody.
But i can replace it with Neo-Ottoman miltary music.
And i must disappaoint you about my Grandchildren still waiting for entrance to EU. Negotiation about EU entrance advances. There are 34 negotiation chapters. Will last maybe 8 years to advance them all, then we will see.
Countries like France have added a referendum to their constitution under Chirac about EU expansion.
Sarkozy will delete referendum passage of French constitution.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=122225
Maybe because France wants to join military wing of NATO again and Turkey can veto that.
Or EU rapid reaction force wants to use NATO capacities and Turkey also can veto that, and EU countries have no money to set-up paralell capacities to NATO, nor USA does want this.
So in about 8 years we will know more. Turkey will in 8 years have surpassed notedly an economy size of 1 trillion $. And will be absolute dominator in its pivotal region of Southeast Europe, Middle-East, North Africa till to Hindukush in Afghanistan.
EU business is lobbyist of Turkish entrance because of business opportunities.
EU strategists are lobbyist of Turkish entrance because of Energy and Turkish military power (which grows paralell with economy) and Turkish reach to critical areas.
With Turkey EU will not be a paper tiger anymore.
That's it.
But Turkish people will decide theirselves if to join EU or not.
My grandchildrens will arise in a Turkey which is either in that time due to population size absolute Power within EU and thereby dominates it oivotal region, or a Turkey which has aligned itself with Russia and Central Asia and also dominates its pivotal region.
I do not know how old you are, onedomino, but i think you will live more then 8 years and see what will happen.
Turkey will give direction in the 21st century to different Worldpowers whether there influence in Eurasia is blocked or multiplied by Turkish direction.
It is not so, as if Turkey is a weak and unwanted bride driving directionless through history.
Turkey is one of the key countries in this century, even more when you add that we are there where we are as a democracy with 99% muslims and from year to year raise our soft-power to the whole muslim world.
Only +200 Mio Indonesia will be more stronger in the long run, but Indonesia will be absorbed in Pacific by other powers like China and is out of business by its location.
Turkey on the other hand is in the centre of Mid-East, Europe and North-Africa with great history, soft-power and rising philosophy of Neo-Ottomanism, meaning everywhere where Ottoman were Turkey will again be, be it by practical power or by theoretical power (soft-power).
From The Sunday Times
September 16, 2007
Israelis Blew Apart Syrian Nuclear Cache
Secret raid on Korean shipment
Uzi Mahnaimi in Tel Aviv, Sarah Baxter in Washington and Michael Sheridan
complete article: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2461421.ece
It was just after midnight when the 69th Squadron of Israeli F15Is crossed the Syrian coast-line. On the ground, Syrias formidable air defences went dead. An audacious raid on a Syrian target 50 miles from the Iraqi border was under way.
At a rendezvous point on the ground, a Shaldag air force commando team was waiting to direct their laser beams at the target for the approaching jets. The team had arrived a day earlier, taking up position near a large underground depot. Soon the bunkers were in flames.
Ten days after the jets reached home, their mission was the focus of intense speculation this weekend amid claims that Israel believed it had destroyed a cache of nuclear materials from North Korea.
The Israeli government was not saying. The security sources and IDF [Israeli Defence Forces] soldiers are demonstrating unusual courage, said Ehud Olmert, the prime minister. We naturally cannot always show the public our cards.
The Syrians were also keeping mum. I cannot reveal the details, said Farouk al-Sharaa, the vice-president. All I can say is the military and political echelon is looking into a series of responses as we speak. Results are forthcoming. The official story that the target comprised weapons destined for Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Lebanese Shiite group, appeared to be crumbling in the face of widespread scepticism.
Andrew Semmel, a senior US State Department official, said Syria might have obtained nuclear equipment from secret suppliers, and added that there were a number of foreign technicians in the country.
Asked if they could be North Korean, he replied: There are North Korean people there. Theres no question about that. He said a network run by AQ Khan, the disgraced creator of Pakistans nuclear weapons, could be involved.
But why would nuclear material be in Syria? Known to have chemical weapons, was it seeking to bolster its arsenal with something even more deadly?
Alternatively, could it be hiding equipment for North Korea, enabling Kim Jong-il to pretend to be giving up his nuclear programme in exchange for economic aid? Or was the material bound for Iran, as some authorities in America suggest?
According to Israeli sources, preparations for the attack had been going on since late spring, when Meir Dagan, the head of Mossad, presented Olmert with evidence that Syria was seeking to buy a nuclear device from North Korea.
The Israeli spy chief apparently feared such a device could eventually be installed on North-Korean-made Scud-C missiles.
This was supposed to be a devastating Syrian surprise for Israel, said an Israeli source. Weve known for a long time that Syria has deadly chemical warheads on its Scuds, but Israel cant live with a nuclear warhead.
An expert on the Middle East, who has spoken to Israeli participants in the raid, told yesterdays Washington Post that the timing of the raid on September 6 appeared to be linked to the arrival three days earlier of a ship carrying North Korean material labelled as cement but suspected of concealing nuclear equipment.
The target was identified as a northern Syrian facility that purported to be an agricultural research centre on the Euphrates river. Israel had been monitoring it for some time, concerned that it was being used to extract uranium from phosphates.
According to an Israeli air force source, the Israeli satellite Ofek 7, launched in June, was diverted from Iran to Syria. It sent out high-quality images of a northeastern area every 90 minutes, making it easy for air force specialists to spot the facility.
Early in the summer Ehud Barak, the defence minister, had given the order to double Israeli forces on its Golan Heights border with Syria in anticipation of possible retaliation by Damascus in the event of air strikes.
Sergei Kirpichenko, the Russian ambassador to Syria, warned President Bashar al-Assad last month that Israel was planning an attack, but suggested the target was the Golan Heights.
Israeli military intelligence sources claim Syrian special forces moved towards the Israeli outpost of Mount Hermon on the Golan Heights. Tension rose, but nobody knew why.
At this point, Barak feared events could spiral out of control. The decision was taken to reduce the number of Israeli troops on the Golan Heights and tell Damascus the tension was over. Syria relaxed its guard shortly before the Israeli Defence Forces struck.
Only three Israeli cabinet ministers are said to have been in the know � Olmert, Barak and Tzipi Livni, the foreign minister. America was also consulted. According to Israeli sources, American air force codes were given to the Israeli air force attaché in Washington to ensure Israels F15Is would not mistakenly attack their US counterparts.
Once the mission was under way, Israel imposed draconian military censorship and no news of the operation emerged until Syria complained that Israeli aircraft had violated its airspace. Syria claimed its air defences had engaged the planes, forcing them to drop fuel tanks to lighten their loads as they fled.
But intelligence sources suggested it was a highly successful Israeli raid on nuclear material supplied by North Korea.
Washington was rife with speculation last week about the precise nature of the operation. One source said the air strikes were a diversion for a daring Israeli commando raid, in which nuclear materials were intercepted en route to Iran and hauled to Israel. Others claimed they were destroyed in the attack.
There is no doubt, however, that North Korea is accused of nuclear cooperation with Syria, helped by AQ Khans network. John Bolton, who was undersecretary for arms control at the State Department, told the United Nations in 2004 the Pakistani nuclear scientist had several other customers besides Iran, Libya and North Korea.
Some of his evidence came from the CIA, which had reported to Congress that it viewed Syrian nuclear intentions with growing concern.
Ive been worried for some time about North Korea and Iran outsourcing their nuclear programmes, Bolton said last week. Syria, he added, was a member of a junior axis of evil, with a well-established ambition to develop weapons of mass destruction.
The links between Syria and North Korea date back to the rule of Kim Il-sung and President Hafez al-Assad in the last century. In recent months, their sons have quietly ordered an increase in military and technical cooperation.
Foreign diplomats who follow North Korean affairs are taking note. There were reports of Syrian passengers on flights from Beijing to Pyongyang and sightings of Middle Eastern businessmen from sources who watch the trains from North Korea to China.
On August 14, Rim Kyong Man, the North Korean foreign trade minister, was in Syria to sign a protocol on cooperation in trade and science and technology. No details were released, but it caught Israels attention.
Syria possesses between 60 and 120 Scud-C missiles, which it has bought from North Korea over the past 15 years. Diplomats believe North Korean engineers have been working on extending their 300-mile range. It means they can be used in the deserts of northeastern Syria � the area of the Israeli strike.
The triangular relationship between North Korea, Syria and Iran continues to perplex intelligence analysts. Syria served as a conduit for the transport to Iran of an estimated £50m of missile components and technology sent by sea from North Korea. The same route may be in use for nuclear equipment.