The Nanking Massacre and Iris Chang's Book The Rape of Nanking

[Unkotare]

Ever hear of the 442nd, stupid?

Sure... That accounts for 1000 guys. We locked up 110,000 of them ...

Not “them,” scumbag. Over 100,000 mostly AMERICAN CITIZENS thrown into concentration camps because fdr was a stupid, racist son of a bitch, like you.

You're just bias toward the dinks. You lack any logic or unbias reason. Like a woman.

Now we see you also hate women, bigot. What an all-around loser.

 

[JoeB131]

So again, the Soviets and Chicoms were okay but the Imperial Japanese and Nazi Germans weren’t.

Damn that’s dumb.

Soviets and Chi-Coms worked in the confines of their own countries.

Not “them,” scumbag. Over 100,000 mostly AMERICAN CITIZENS thrown into concentration camps because fdr was a stupid, racist son of a bitch, like you.

Naw, 110K people of Japanese descent were interned because the West Coast was under threat of attack.

80,000 American and Filipino Troops were made to participate in the Bataan Death March. 18,000 died.

 

[gipper]

So again, the Soviets and Chicoms were okay but the Imperial Japanese and Nazi Germans weren’t.

Damn that’s dumb.

Soviets and Chi-Coms worked in the confines of their own countries.

Not “them,” scumbag. Over 100,000 mostly AMERICAN CITIZENS thrown into concentration camps because fdr was a stupid, racist son of a bitch, like you.

Naw, 110K people of Japanese descent were interned because the West Coast was under threat of attack.

80,000 American and Filipino Troops were made to participate in the Bataan Death March. 18,000 died.

So killing your own people is better.

WTF.

 

[JoeB131]

So killing your own people is better.

WTF.

More like- really, none of our business.

Not that I believe the John Bircher propaganda that Stalin killed everyone in Russia twice, just to show them.

 

[Unkotare]

So again, the Soviets and Chicoms were okay but the Imperial Japanese and Nazi Germans weren’t.

Damn that’s dumb.

Soviets and Chi-Coms worked in the confines of their own countries.

Not “them,” scumbag. Over 100,000 mostly AMERICAN CITIZENS thrown into concentration camps because fdr was a stupid, racist son of a bitch, like you.

....the West Coast was under threat of attack.

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By Americans? You really are a Dumbass, racist POS.

 

[JoeB131]

By Americans? You really are a Dumbass, racist POS.

One more time.

The Axis found collaborators in every country they invaded. They even came up with a new word for it, "Quisling".

Getting the people most likely to collaborate out of the front line was probably a prudent thing to do.

 

[Unkotare]

By Americans? You really are a Dumbass, racist POS.

One more time.

The Axis found collaborators in every country they invaded. They even came up with a new word for it, "Quisling".

Getting the people most likely to collaborate out of the front line was probably a prudent thing to do.

Proving yet again that you understand nothing about History.

 

[JoeB131]

Proving yet again that you understand nothing about History.

Dripping Poop's History.

The Bataan Death March was a nature hike.

 

[Unkotare]

Proving yet again that you understand nothing about History.

....

The Bataan Death March was a nature hike.

Commie Joe seems to think American citizens conducted the Bataan Death March.

 

[mikegriffith1]

And, by the way, even the League of Nations Lytton Commission recommended that Manchuria be given independence, since for thousands of years Manchuria had never been considered part of "China." The Nationalists never governed as a sovereign power in Manchuria, nor did the Communists. Manchuria had been savaged by war-lord rule for decades before the Japanese took over.

The Lytton Commission didn't call for the Japanese to set up a puppet state, which is exactly what they did.

But the Lytton Commission also said that Japan had a right to keep military forces in Manchuria to protect the interests of the Japanese citizens who were living there. Very few books on the subject mention this fact. They only mention that the commission refused to recognize the Japanese state in Manchuria (Manchukuo).

And as for this Communist-Nationalist-Soviet picture of the poor little ole' innocent Chinese getting picked on by the wicked Japanese, let's review a few facts, especially about the events that led to Japan's military move in Manchuria and then to the Sino-Japanese War in 1937:

* First off, let's remember that the Chinese outnumbered the Japanese by about 7 to 1 and were getting aid from FDR and the Soviets.

* In the early 1930s, the Nationalists adopted the policy embodied in the slogans of "embracing communism" and "allying with Soviet Russia." Indeed, the Nationalists accepted money and military aid from the Soviets. The Nationalists confiscated land, property, and industry, while abroad they sought to carry out a so-called revolutionary diplomacy, giving emphasis to the slogan of "down with imperialism and unequal treaties."

* Over two hundred Korean farmers who had moved to the village of Wanpaoshan in Manchuria were building an irrigation ditch when the war-lord-controlled Public Safety Office ordered a halt to construction. Chinese soldiers--who were aligned with the war lord Zhang Xueliang--arrived and demanded the immediate withdrawal of the farmers. The Japanese consulate sought to protect the Korean farmers, since they had been Japanese subjects ever since the treaty-approved annexation of Korea in 1910, by sending in armed police, who faced thousands of Chinese rioters.

* While travelling to Mongolia, Captain Nakamura, an active duty Japanese army officer, and three attendants were massacred by Chinese regulars. The Chinese attempted to cover up the incident, but when the truth became known, it sparked an angry outcry in Japan. This provocation alone was serious enough to have started a war.

* In response to these and other incidents, the Japanese Kwantung Army went into action in 1931 without waiting for approval from Tokyo.

* Warlord Zhang's Northeast Army was a massive force of 250,000 soldiers
equipped with modern weaponry. Nevertheless, in short order the Japanese army occupied key cities in southern Manchuria.

* Soon thereafter, Japan established working control over much of Manchuria, and in 1933 established the state of Manchukuo. In many respects, Manchukuo was a "puppet state," but in key respects it was not. And no one denies that the economy of the Japanese-controlled part of Manchuria grew substantially thanks to substantial Japanese investment.

* Between 1933 and 1937, the Nationalists and some war lords fought against each other in and near Manchuria. The Japanese, understandably, were growing tired of this violent instability. During one prolonged battle between the Nationalists and Zhang's forces, the Japanese got fed up and expanded their area of control to create a buffer zone. This is cited as one of Japan's alleged "provocations" of "China"!

* The Sino-Japanese War began in 1937 because of the Marco Polo Bridge Incident near Shanghai.

* Although for many years the common story was that the Japanese caused the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, most scholars now agree that the evidence shows that the Chinese, not the Japanese, caused it.

* Scholars have documented that the Japanese did not want to fight the Nationalists after the Marco Polo Bridge Incident. Japan's government offered very reasonable peace terms, because even the army's general staff wanted no further involvement in China because they believed the Japanese army there was over-extended as it was, because they wanted to focus on developing their state in Manchuria, and because they were worried about the threat in their rear from the Soviets.

* In response to Japan's peace offer, the Nationalists moved four divisions into the Shanghai area and then attacked the Japanese quarter of the city with two divisions.

* The Nationalists killed *more* people than the Japanese did, and the Chinese Communists killed far more people than the Japanese did.

 

[JoeB131]

Commie Joe seems to think American citizens conducted the Bataan Death March.

Now, I just understand that when people heard about the Bataan Death March, they weren't really inclined to trust their cousins in this country.

Now, my Grandfather was born in Germany and fought for the Kaiser. He had a brother who was a minor official in Germany and therefore had to join the NSDAP. The FBI had some questions for him, too.

But the Lytton Commission also said that Japan had a right to keep military forces in Manchuria to protect the interests of the Japanese citizens who were living there. Very few books on the subject mention this fact. They only mention that the commission refused to recognize the Japanese state in Manchuria (Manchukuo).

Well, so what? Hey, guy, INVADING MANCHURIA WAS STILL AN ACT OF AGGRESSION. Japan were a bunch of imperialist bastards. The had no business being there, period.

The whole rest of your diatribe is blaming China for what imperialist powers had been doing to it since the Opium War. These same people wondered why the Communists won and threw all the westerners out on their cans. "but, but, but, we helped you beat the Japanese!" "Yeah, after you enabled them to invade us in the first place and systematically weakened our country for 100 years!"

 

[mikegriffith1]

JoeB's simplistic polemic that some here believe that "the wrong side won WW II" raises an interesting question: Who really did "win" WW II? Before WW II, all of Europe was free, except for Germany of course. The vast majority of Asia was not under Communist control. Manchuria, thanks to the Japanese, had a growing economy and was attracting workers from all over Asia.

What happened to these areas as a result of WW II? Eastern Europe came under Soviet tyranny. Half of Germany came under Soviet tyranny. The Soviets murdered millions of POWs. China, North Vietnam, and North Korea came under Communist control. The Communists proceeded to kill at least 30 million Chinese and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and Koreans to consolidate their power. Truman let France and Holland try to reimpose their colonial rule on South Vietnam and Indonesia. The Dutch were especially brutal and killed tens of thousands of Indonesians while trying to reassert their rule, but the prolonged and bloody fighting eventually persuaded them to give up and leave.

Why did France and England declare war on Germany in the first place? They entered the war in order to free Poland. How'd that work out? Obviously, it didn't.

More than one side won WW II. We and our European allies defeated the German army in Western Europe and North Africa, but then half of Europe fell to Soviet tyranny. We and our allies in Asia defeated the Japanese army in Asia, but the net result was that hundreds of millions of people fell under Communist rule and tens of millions were killed as a result.

Furthermore, the Soviet Union, one of the most brutal tyrannies in modern history, not only escaped destruction but consolidate its grip on its prewar "republics" and expanded its control over numerous countries and over hundreds of millions of people, thanks to FDR and Truman's horrendous handling of WW II.

Freeing Western Europe from Nazi rule and eliminating the power of the Japanese militarists were the two good and noble results from WW II, but by any measurement they were more than offset by the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe and by the Communist takeover of China, North Vietnam, and North Korea. More people lived under brutal tyranny after WW II than before WW II.

 

[JoeB131]

JoeB's simplistic polemic that some here believe that "the wrong side won WW II" raises an interesting question: Who really did "win" WW II? Before WW II, all of Europe was free, except for Germany of course. The vast majority of Asia was not under Communist control. Manchuria, thanks to the Japanese, had a growing economy and was attracting workers from all over Asia.

You see, you are starting out with a faulty premise. Most of Europe was not "Free" before World War II. Poland was a military dictatorship, Austria was a Christian Fascist dictatorship before Germany annexed it, all the countries of Eastern Europe were dictatorships and monarchies. Spain and Italy were fascist dictatorships.

Most of Asia except for Japan were either European Colonies or in the case of China, under warlords sponsored by the Europeans. Thailand was a dictatorship that managed to avoid complete domination by Europe, but they couldn't throw in with the Japanese nearly soon enough.

Manchuria was a colony of Japan, led by a puppet emperor.

What happened to these areas as a result of WW II? Eastern Europe came under Soviet tyranny. Half of Germany came under Soviet tyranny. The Soviets murdered millions of POWs. China, North Vietnam, and North Korea came under Communist control. The Communists proceeded to kill at least 30 million Chinese and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese and Koreans to consolidate their power. Truman let France and Holland try to reimpose their colonial rule on South Vietnam and Indonesia. The Dutch were especially brutal and killed tens of thousands of Indonesians while trying to reassert their rule, but the prolonged and bloody fighting eventually persuaded them to give up and leave.

AND here comes the bircher propaganda...

I agree that the mistake Truman made was to allow the defeated Colonial Powers to reassert themselves, it failed miserably and probably encouraged a lot of the third world to embrace communism. So did the grinding poverty these countries had because the fucking "Democracies" of Europe stole everything that wasn't nailed down.

Why did France and England declare war on Germany in the first place? They entered the war in order to free Poland. How'd that work out? Obviously, it didn't.

No, it wasn't. but let's look at that.

France and the UK sold out Czechoslovakia. Probably the right call, because most people who lived there didn't want to be ruled by the Czechs to start with. They wanted to join Germany or Hungary or have an independent Slovakia. But when Hitler dismembered the country like a thanksgiving turkey, (even Poland got a slice) the West felt bad and wrote a blank check to the Polish Colonels they had no ability to Cash. This in turn made the Polish Colonels intransigent, when they probably just should have handed over the Danzig Corridor. That threw Hitler and Stalin into a temporary alliance because the west secretly hoped they would fight. They did, of course, but not before Hitler conquered most of the west.

More than one side won WW II. We and our European allies defeated the German army in Western Europe and North Africa, but then half of Europe fell to Soviet tyranny. We and our allies in Asia defeated the Japanese army in Asia, but the net result was that hundreds of millions of people fell under Communist rule and tens of millions were killed as a result.

Furthermore, the Soviet Union, one of the most brutal tyrannies in modern history, not only escaped destruction but consolidate its grip on its prewar "republics" and expanded its control over numerous countries and over hundreds of millions of people, thanks to FDR and Truman's horrendous handling of WW II.

Boo-fucking-hoo. The USSR won the war for us, the rest of us just benefited... and we begrudged them that they took the scumbag countries over that attacked it.

Hey, guess what, ALL THE PLACES THEY TOOK OVER JOINED THE AXIS. Not working up a lot of sympathy for Romania or Hungary here. They backed the wrong fucking horse.

Freeing Western Europe from Nazi rule and eliminating the power of the Japanese militarists were the two good and noble results from WW II, but by any measurement they were more than offset by the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe and by the Communist takeover of China, North Vietnam, and North Korea. More people lived under brutal tyranny after WW II than before WW II.

Actually, most people live under Brutal Tyranny today. But since most of them aren't white, you don't care.

 

[Unkotare]

Commie Joe seems to think American citizens conducted the Bataan Death March.

Now, I just understand that when people heard about the Bataan Death March, they weren't really inclined to trust their cousins in this country.

....

“People” meaning illogical, unamerican, racist pieces of shit like fdr. People like you.

 

[JoeB131]

“People” meaning illogical, unamerican, racist pieces of shit like fdr. People like you.

Uh, guy, interning the Japanese at the time was a massively popular policy. Probably saved some lives, because people were in a lynching kind of mood after Pearl Harbor and Bataan.

 

[Unkotare]

“People” meaning illogical, unamerican, racist pieces of shit like fdr. People like you.

Uh, guy, interning the Japanese at the time was a massively popular policy. Probably saved some lives, because people were in a lynching kind of mood after Pearl Harbor and Bataan.

That is exactly the same kind of stupid, illogical racist bullshit that democrats like you used to defend slavery. Your ilk never changes. Don’t ever pretend to value or understand the Constitution, or oppose any form of racism or inequality. You have made your true colors very clear.

 

[JoeB131]

That is exactly the same kind of stupid, illogical racist bullshit that democrats like you used to defend slavery. Your ilk never changes. Don’t ever pretend to value or understand the Constitution, or oppose any form of racism or inequality. You have made your true colors very clear.

Guy, I'm sorry you are easily confused. People don't give a fuck about "the consitution' when they feel threatened.

You obviously have no idea of the level of terror people felt in World War II, where it really looked like the Axis MIGHT win the war.

On a list of "The 100 Shittiest things people did during WWII", locking up the Nisii is maybe #99.

 

[Unkotare]

... People don't give a fuck about "the consitution' when they feel threatened.

...

That’s exactly when it’s most important, you stupid son of a bitch.

If you were an American, you would understand that.

 

[JoeB131]

That’s exactly when it’s most important, you stupid son of a bitch.

If you were an American, you would understand that.

I understand human nature....

If you got out of the basement and stop whacking off to fetish porn once in a while, so would you.

Reality- Everyone at the time thought relocating the potential collaborators from the west coast was a good idea. It wasn't even a Democrat/Republican thing.

Interesting tidbit... about Republican Governor at the time, Earl Warren.

The United States entered World War II after the Japanese Attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941.[48] Following the attack, Warren organized the state's civilian defense program, warning in January 1942 that, "the Japanese situation as it exists in this state today may well be the Achilles' heel of the entire civilian defense effort." He became a driving force behind the internment of over one hundred thousand Japanese Americans without any charges or due process.[49] Though the decision to intern Japanese Americans was made by General John L. DeWitt, and the internment was carried out by federal officials, Warren's advocacy played a major role in providing public justification for the internment.[50] By early 1944, Warren had come to regret his role in the internment of Japanese Americans, and he approved of the federal government's decision to allow Japanese Americans to begin returning to California in December 1944.[51]

The Democatic Governor who preceeded him opposed the internment, but was overruled..

 

[mikegriffith1]

To drive home the point about who really started the Sino-Japanese War in 1937, I quote from historian James Crowley’s seminal study Japan’s Quest for Autonomy: National Security and Foreign Policy 1930-1938, published by Princeton University Press in 1966:

Neither the Imperial army nor the Konoe cabinet intended, on July 7, 1937, to separate Hopei province [the richest province in China, the province in which Shanghai was located] from the Nationalist government; but the public pronouncements of the generalissimo [Nationalist leader Chiang Kaishek], as well as his veto of the local settlement, eventually yielded a major crisis. . . .​

The generous terms of the Konoe government, however, failed to elicit an official diplomatic reply from the Nanking government [the Nationalist government]. Instead, on August 14, the Nationalist air force bombed the Japanese naval installation at Shanghai, and that evening, Nanking announced, “China is duty bound to defend her territory and her national experience.” The China war had begun. . . .​

Prior to the outbreak of hostilities in Shanghai, the behavior of Japanese naval and diplomatic officials in this treaty port had been most circumspect [cautious, careful, considerate]. Following the killing of [Japanese] Naval Lt. Oyama, who died while presumably attempting to capture the Hunjao Airport single-handedly on August 9, the Japanese consul general apologized for Oyama’s bizarre activities; and [Japanese] Admiral Hasegawa promptly cancelled all night patrols in the international settlement in order to prevent any untoward incidents. Western officials were impressed with these efforts to avoid a repetition of the circumstances which had caused the Shanghai incident of 1932; and they were visibly distressed by the arrival of Nationalist troops in the Shanghai area, especially in the “demilitarized zone” established in 1932. . . .​

These ominous developments in Shanghai did not modify the prevailing attitudes in Tokyo. The Konoe cabinet believed that the Nationalist government would prefer a diplomatic resolution of the crisis. . . .​

In view of the cluster of decisions which characterized the policy of the Japanese government before the outbreak of the Shanghai fighting—the cabinet’s China policy of August 6, the quarantine of the [Japanese] North China Army in the Peking environs, and the belated reinforcement of the Shanghai garrison—it seems reasonable to conclude that the hostilities in Shanghai were technically provoked by the Nanking government rather than by a willful act of the Japanese army or the Konoe cabinet. . . .​

Until Chinese sources are available, it is difficult precisely to delineate the basic policy of the Nationalist government during this period. There is good reason to believe, however, that it had decided before July 7 to wage an all-out war. . . . It is conceivable that the Nationalist government had sufficient confidence in its new German-trained divisions to rely upon a field of battle in Shanghai. . . .​

If the logic underlying the decision of the Nationalist government to provoke a major military incident in Shanghai eludes precise identification, there is ample evidence that it was based on unwarranted estimates of the diplomacy of the Western powers and of the capabilities of its German-trained divisions. By mobilizing all Nationalist troops north of the Yangtze on July 9, Chiang deliberately conveyed the impression that he was planning to concentrate his forces in the Paoting pass. . . . Consequently, when the Shanghai incident broke out in mid-August, the Nationalist army seemed to command an overwhelming superiority. (pp. 340-346)​

When the Japanese overcame the Nationalists’ “overwhelming superiority” and took Shanghai when they counter-attacked in response to Chiang’s assault, incredibly, the Soviets, the British, the French, FDR, and FDR’s allies in the American press condemned Japan for its supposed “aggression”!

However, as we just read from Crowley above, and as other scholars have documented, the Japanese were not the aggressors in that battle. The Japanese did not want to attack Shanghai. The Japanese had been trying to defuse the tense situation in Shanghai when the Nationalists bombed the Japanese naval facility in Shanghai and then attacked a small Japanese garrison because they thought they could easily overrun the garrison before the Japanese could get reinforcements to the area. But, the 2,000-man garrison fought with unbelievable courage and held off the 30,000-man Chinese army that attacked it just long enough for reinforcements to arrive. However, this incident did not lead to an all-out battle for Shanghai. A compromise was reached, and Shanghai returned to some sense of normalcy.

But, this situation changed when Chiang Kaishek decided to attack the Japanese section of Shanghai with two divisions. The Japanese brought in more reinforcements and an enormous battle ensued, ending with the Nationalist forces being expelled from Shanghai and the Japanese taking control of the city (Peter Harmsen, Storm Clouds Over the Pacific, 1931-1941, Kindle Edition, Casemate Publishers, 2018, locs. 1413-1453; see also Mark Peattie, Edward Drea, and Hans van de Ven’s The Battle for China: Essays on the Military History of the Sino-Japanese War of 1937-1945, Stanford University Press, 2013).

Chiang Kaishek’s reasons for picking a fight with the Japanese at Shanghai remain a subject of debate. Peter Harmsen:

Chiang may have genuinely thought that by concentrating his best troops in a shock attack on the meager Japanese garrison in Shanghai, he would be able to score a quick, dramatic victory that could rally the nation.​

Japan, on the other hand, only entered the battle reluctantly. The army already felt overstretched in the north of China, and for the wrong reasons. Many Japanese generals considered the Soviet Union to be the main threat and the one that most resources had to be directed towards. The Chinese themselves understood this was the case, and on occasion admitted so in public. “Japan had no wish to fight at Shanghai,” Chinese General Zhang Fakui, one of the top field commanders during the struggle for the city, said in a post-war interview. “It should be simple to see that we took the initiative.” (Storm Clouds Over the Pacific, loc. 1453)​

Finally, let’s review a few other facts that bear repeating:

-- For several years prior to mid-1938, the Nationalists, led by Chiang Kaishek, were getting weapons from Nazi Germany and had hired active-duty German officers to train their troops. Nationalists forces often even wore the trademark German helmet (Harmsen, locs. 1050-1066, 1161-1174, 1416-1429). (At the time, relations between Germany and Japan were very strained.)

-- Most of the time that the Japanese were fighting the Nationalists, they were also fighting the Soviet Union, until 1941, and during most of the period from 1931-1941, the Soviets were helping both the Nationalists and the Communists (Harmsen, locs. 1086, 1205, 1586-1602).

-- In the 1920s, the Nationalists agreed to form an alliance with the Communists in order to obtain Soviet support (Harmsen, locs. 480-494).

-- When Chiang assumed the leadership of the Nationalists, he resumed the alliance with the Communists, after having failed to eradicate them, and accepted support from the Soviet Union in the hope of defeating the Japanese. Says Harmsen,

Chiang, however, did not forget his pledge [to the Chinese Communists] to channel all his resources into the battle against Japan. With the backing of the Communists, and perhaps more importantly their Soviet masters, he now felt confident about facing up to the Japanese enemy. (Harmsen, loc. 1205)​

-- In the fall of 1937, the Soviets began providing the Nationalists with military equipment, including military aircraft and pilots (locs. 1586-1602). Observes Harmsen,

At the same time, Soviet military aircraft arrived, flown by Soviet pilots. By the time Shanghai was captured by the Japanese in November, the aviators had taken to the skies over the lower Yangtze and the Soviets had become an . . . important part of the war. (Harmsen, locs. 1586-1602)​

-- Taking off from Nationalist airfields, Soviet bombers carried out bombing raids on Japanese bases in China and Saipan (Harmsen, locs. 1743-1769).

-- After a Soviet air raid on a Japanese base on Saipan, Chiang Kaishek and his wife hosted a banquet to honor the Soviet pilots (Harmsen, locs. 1755-1769).

-- In November 1938, Nationalist soldiers, without warning, began burning the city—the Chinese city—of Changsha, 200 miles southwest of the Nationalist stronghold of Wuhan, as part of Chiang Kaishek’s scorched-earth policy to deny the Japanese any spoils when they took the city. “At least 20,000 were buried in mass graves outside the city,” notes Harmsen (Harmsen, locs. 2196-2210).

The burning of Changsha was the final straw for Wang Jengwai, the vice president of the Nationalist government and a longtime associate of Chiang Kaishek’s. Following the Nationalists’ senseless killing of at least 20,000 fellow Chinese at Changsha, Jengwai defected to the Japanese and later became the leader of one of the pro-Japanese governments set up by the Japanese in China.

-- Finally, when the Nationalists were retreating from Xuzhou in June 1938, they killed at least 400,000 of their fellow Chinese by breaching the Yellow River dyke at Huayuankou in order to flood the Japanese path to Wuhan (Harmsen, locs. 1895-1907). The flood engulfed three entire cities: Henan, Anhui, and Jiangsu. 400,000 is the rock-bottom death toll estimate. A post-war Nationalist commission concluded that 800,000 Chinese were killed by the flooding. Some scholars put the death toll at over 1,000,000. Although JoeB argues that the Yellow River Flood Atrocity was “different” because the people “only” died by “drowning,” instead of being shot or bayoneted, we can only imagine what leftists would be saying if the Japanese had committed this atrocity. And, by the way, drowning can be a terrifying and painful way to die (People Describe What It Feels Like to Drown).