The Nanking Massacre and Iris Chang's Book The Rape of Nanking

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    Wrong. FDR provoked Japan in a desperate attempt to get them to attack. So that he could save his mass murdering buddy Uncle Joe and communism. This resulted in millions of deaths worldwide and decades of tyranny and enslavement for Eastern Europe.
     
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    When your abiding ignorance of history prevents you from defending your position. Yeah, we know.
     
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    So, because a military force attacked a military base of ours (not even on US soil), we dropped atomic bombs on helpless civilians? America is better than that, better than the likes of you.
     
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    Very deliberately dropping bombs on helpless civilians isn't "intentionally targeting civilians"? Just how stupid are you?
     
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    Yes, and it also resulted in the Communist takeover of China, which in turn resulted in the deaths of over 30 million Chinese. It also resulted in the Communist takeover of much of Vietnam and the northern half of Korea, tragedies that never would have occurred if the Japanese had remained.

    The FDR-Truman apologists here seem to forget, or choose to ignore, that the Chinese Nationalists were getting massive aid from the Soviet Union. They also keep acting like Japan started the Sino-Japanese War in 1937, but this is simply false--even most historians now admit that the Chinese, not the Japanese, started the Marco Polo Bridge Incident. Furthermore, as numerous scholars have documented, it was the Chinese, not the Japanese, who broke the truce (1) by moving four divisions into the area near Shanghai and (2) by attacking the Japanese quarter of Shanghai with two divisions. The record is clear that before the Nationalists attacked, the Japanese were urgently trying to reach a peace deal with the Nationalists because even the Army's general staff did not want to prolong the war in China any further.

    Moreover, the Nationalists, not to mention the Communists, showed they had little regard for the lives of their fellow Chinese. Remember that the Nationalists were the ones who killed well over 400,000 Chinese by deliberately breaching the Yellow River dike at Huayuankou in June 1938. A post-war Nationalist commission put the number of dead at 800,000, nearly three times the number of people supposedly killed at Nanking.
     
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    The silly apologists know nothing about you have stated. They stopped learning history after third grade.
     
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    Hitler was already a war criminal due to his actions in Poland. What kind of nonsense are you promoting here ?
     
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    Agreed.

    So if Hitler is a war criminal how is it your beloved Churchill, is not ALSO a war criminal?

    Or is it your belief that if your enemy mass murders civilians FIRST, your leaders are justified in ALSO mass murdering civilians in even greater numbers?

    Please enlighten me.
     
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    Except last time I checked, there were still Germans and Japanese left after the war. We even kept them from starving to death after they were defeated.

    I mean, I know you've avoided military service... but um, yeah,. War is violent. It's why you deal with the people who instigate them harshly.

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    Wow... now you are going into full crazy... So using peaceful sanctions to not subsidize Japan's genocidal war effort was "provoking" them? Really.

    And that black man wanting to ride at the Front of the Bus was provoking the Klan.

    And that girl in the short dress was provoking that rapist.

    Fuck off and Die.
     

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