The Mind of Franklin Roosevelt

[JakeStarkey]

Gatsby, of course, likes PC's statements: they are peas in the same pod.

 

[rightwinger]

PC is not a historian, merely an ineffective propagandist emulating Julius Streicher.

She patterns herself after Ann Coulter

Maybe, some similarities in the ways they make points. But PC is not about making the wild outrageous, titilating statements that AC makes.

PC puts Ann Coulter to shame with the outrageousness and sheer nonsense in what she posts

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Gatsby, of course, likes PC's statements: they are peas in the same pod.

Is that why I challenged her the other day on Bush vs. Obama? My contention being that Bush is the same as Obama.... Not even close Mr. Propaganda. I just like that she brings facts to the table and connects the dots. You just don't like her cos she doesn't comply to your narrow minded narrative.

(BTW, PC I bookmarked your response. I'll try to get to it at some point).

 

[JakeStarkey]

Gatsby, don't hide. You are a far right reactionary git with no moxie for critical thinking and objectivity. Your dislike of me is cute but as cute as that of Yurt.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR came into office March 4th of 1933. On November 16, 1933, President Roosevelt rushed to embrace....recognize...the USSR.




To gauge the importance of recognition to the Soviets, consider the theatrics and degrees to which they went.

8. In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been.

One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to. Woodrow Wilson wouldn’t recognize the Bolshevik regime, nor would the contemporary British government (Churchill had famously told Lloyd George, ‘You might a well legalize sodomy…’)



a. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, and have the citizens demand that Russia be recognized.


Note that Franklin Roosevelt fell for the ploy without the commensurate propaganda trips to Russia.....hence the query in the thread title. the 'mind of Franklin Roosevelt.'





9. “Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.” George Orwell
And here is the proof of Orwell's statement:

a. H.G. Wells met with Stalin in 1934, and wrote “I’ve never met a man more candid, fair and honest!” and “…everyone trusts him!’ And of Lenin, “…frank, refreshing, and an amazing little man!’

Of course, 1934 was the start of the Great Purge, “Sergey Kirov's murder in 1934 was used by Stalin as a pretext to launch the Great Purge, in which about a million people perished. Some later historians came to believe that Stalin himself arranged the murder, or at least that there was sufficient evidence to reach such a conclusion.”
Conquest, Robert, “Stalin and the Kirov Murder”, p. 122-138.


b. George Bernard Shaw met with Stalin, as well. He returned, and wrote, “ We cannot afford to give ourselves moral airs when our most enterprising neighbors, the Soviet Union, humanely and judiciously liquidates a handful of exploiters and speculators to make the world safe for honest men.”

Now, lest one thinks this was said sarcastically, Lady Aster and others who were present, and took notes, from the meeting, wrote that that was exactly and precisely what Stalin had said. He parroted the exact line that Stalin had given him!
When he returned from the Soviet Union, Shaw backed up every lie that Walter Duranty reported. He testified that there was not, and never could be, a food shortage in the USSR.
Paul Hollander, “Political Pilgrims,” p.119

BTW....there even is a dunce on this board who still claims that Shaw was 'only kiddin''



Take a look at the sort of horrors that Roosevelt hitched America's wagon to....

c.

 

[Camp]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

 

[Picaro]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

People don't seem to know FDR was a Secretary of the Navy in WW I and had a clear vision of what was coming later on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

 

[rightwinger]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

 

[PoliticalChic]

As we were discussing.....Roosevelt's mentality:

10. What could be behind FDR's inordinate affection for the Soviet Union, and communism, and the pathological maniac, Stalin?

The following is one of the persuasive theories to explain FDR's actions vis-a-vis the Soviets and Stalin:

Dennis J. Dunn writesin "Caught Between Roosevelt & Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow." that FDR believed in a theory of convergence that applied to the USSR and the US, i.e., that capitalism and Communism would each take on characteristics of the other. They would converge. FDR's contribution toward convergence was expanding the powers and reach of centralized government.


a. Dunn explains FDR's thinking: convergence theory "held that Soviet Russia and the United States were on convergent paths, where the United States was moving from laissez-faire capitalism to welfare state socialism and the Soviet Union was evolving from totalitarianism to social democracy."

b. Since FDR himself had moved the United States from laissez-faire capitalism to welfare state socialism....well, FDR was half right.




But....if only one half is doing all the converging....it is simply capitulation. Of course....even if a theory of convergence applied.....what sort of person would overlook the insane genocidal behavior of Stalin....

...or at least hold back until he saw a change in said behavior???

If Dunn's thesis is correct, Roosevelt's belief was nothing if not naive. Liberals tend to see the world in this childish manner.....




In 1982, Ronald Reagan asked his arms control advisory committee to conduct a review of Soviet compliance in the 25 years of arms control treaties. It was the first such concerted review ever. The answer to the question of Soviet arms controls compliance was that there was none.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 198.

"The Soviet Union repeatedly violates treaties, and the rest of the world turns their heads and proceeds to enter into still more treaties, which the Soviets violate with impunity."
Joseph D. Douglass, Jr., "Why the Soviets Violate Arms Control Treaties," vii, 83.



Unlike Roosevelt, the great Reagan provided the so much more realistic "Trust, but verify."



Roosevelt's mentality?
Juvenile at best.
Copacetic with genocide, slaughter, and oppression, at worst.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

People don't seem to know FDR was a Secretary of the Navy in WW I and had a clear vision of what was coming later on.

As is the case with of the other loons in this thread, the Roosevelt groupies, you are totally clueless.

1. He knew what was coming later on????
"FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone....

1. 1. Due to cuts in military spending through the 30’s as a percentage of the federal budget, the United States was woefully unprepared for war. The US was 17th in the world in military strength, and this ultimately let us into a two-ocean war." Folsom and Folsom, "FDR Goes To War."

Now take notes, fool......

1. Careful students of the Roosevelt presidency knew that war must be near because FDR had decided to change the tone of the political debate in Washington. For almost eight years, Wall Street bankers and corporate leaders had been his favorite scapegoats for explaining why the Great Depression was persisting. The premise of his New Deal, after all was that businessmen had failed and that government should regulate, plan and direct much of the American economy to break the hold of the Great Depression.”

2. On May 16, 1940, Roosevelt had addressed Congress and asked for more than a billion dollars for defense, with a commitment for fifty thousand military aircraft. He knew, also, that he needed the good will of business to win the war: no longer would he call them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

3. On May 26, 1940 his Fireside Chat signaled a new relationship with business: he would insure their profits, and assuage their fears that he would nationalize their factories.

a. “…we are calling upon the resources, the efficiency and the ingenuity of the American manufacturers of war material of all kinds -- airplanes and tanks and guns and ships, and all the hundreds of products that go into this material. The Government of the United States itself manufactures few of the implements of war. Private industry will continue to be the source of most of this material, and private industry will have to be speeded up to produce it at the rate and efficiency called for by the needs of the times….Private industry will have the responsibility of providing the best, speediest and most efficient mass production of which it is capable.” On National Defense - May 26 1940


May 16, 1940 was the very first indication that he knew what was coming.

Get it?

He was as clueless as you are.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

No....private industry built it.
And

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

Consistently wrong, due to both your bias and your lack of education.

Luckily for you, I'm hear.

1. No, not Roosevelt....private industry built said military.....as I showed in post #111

2. Until mid May of 1940 Roosevelt spent his energy attacking capitalism.....then he had to grovel.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Winston Churchill wanted a western alliance with the Soviet Union in the early thirties.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

No....private industry built it.
And

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

Consistently wrong, due to both your bias and your lack of education.

Luckily for you, I'm hear.

1. No, not Roosevelt....private industry built said military.....as I showed in post #111

2. Until mid May of 1940 Roosevelt spent his energy attacking capitalism.....then he had to grovel.

The Truman Committee, formally known as the Senate Special Committee to Investigate the National Defense Program, was a United States Congressional investigative body headed by Senator Harry S. Truman.[1] The bipartisan special committee was formed in March 1941 to find and correct problems in US war production—problems with waste, inefficiency and war profiteering. The Truman Committee proved to be one of the most successful investigative efforts ever mounted by the US government: an initial budget of $15,000 was expanded over three years to $360,000 to save an estimated $10–15 billion in military spending, and thousands of lives of US servicemen.[2][3][4] Chairing the committee helped Truman make a name for himself beyond his political machine origins, and was a major factor in the decision to nominate him as vice president, which would propel him to the presidency following the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt.[5]

THAT is how you save money from the soulless capitalists.

 

[rightwinger]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

No....private industry built it.
And

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

Consistently wrong, due to both your bias and your lack of education.

Luckily for you, I'm hear.

1. No, not Roosevelt....private industry built said military.....as I showed in post #111

2. Until mid May of 1940 Roosevelt spent his energy attacking capitalism.....then he had to grovel.

Private industry marshaled all the manufacturing resources of the Uniited States and centered it on military production?

No, Roosevelt did that

 

[regent]

.......nobody was executed

So, concentration camps are OK with you as long as no one is executed? Is that your standard?

Did concentration camps tolerate labor strikes? Did it offer to send those people that wanted to leave the country, transportation back to their home nation? Did concentration camps allow students to go college? Did concentration camps allow its inmates to leave if they had a job offer in another state?

So now we know you're in favor of CONCENTRATION CAMPS. You fit right in democrat tradition.

How does pointing out that your wrong in your attempt to make the internment camps the same as concentration camps, make me in favor of concentration camps?

 

[regent]

FDR was the right man for the right time

Can you imagine where we would have been if Republicans had been allowed to lead us out of the depression or during WWII?

I can; and there's a decent chance we'd be in a much better place; then, there's a chance that big govt. was an inevitability; and we'd be in the same place.

The Republicans had three years to start making some headway and nothing, in fact the deeper we sank. With one FDR's speech the world suddenly looked brighter to Americans than all four years of Hoover with his bootstrap, and prosperity is just around the corner speeches.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now..about that convergence theory.....


11. ... brings me to Humphrey Hawksley. One review of his books said " Humphrey Hawksley who is well known as Far Eastern BBC Correspondent and more recently war correspondent in Kossovo and Timor uses his journalistic knowledge of the Far East to reveal in all too chilling and convincing detail what might be going on behind the headlines. He is one of the best informed and therefore one of the more frightening political writers around."


In reading Hawksley's novel, "Ceremony of Innocence", I came across a passage in which the American President was in discussion relations with Communist China, and recognized how this could have been between Roosevelt and his advisers.
They discuss relations with this communist bastion.


a. "The policy of constructive engagement, Mr. President, is doing precisely what both Samantha and Peter have outlined.'...Their disagreement is over the level of risk. Will China, with a more cosmopolitan population and higher standards of living, evolve naturally towards the democratic process? Or will it exploit our technology and our investment to build a monstrous dictatorship and evolve towards being America's natural enemy?

And you're saying that with a closed society and no mole inside their citadels we don't know their intentions?

Correct, sir....The ultimate question we have to ask ourselves is how close we can get to a government who sends senior non-violent religious leaders to forced labor camps?"
p.156-157.




12. And this sort of conversation took place in Roosevelt's administration. But, being a megalomaniac, Roosevelt simply ignored the conversations, and the advice of his closest advisers.

a. There was FDR close friend, and equally a Sovietophile, William Christian Bullitt, Jr.. Also an extreme Liberal, a radical, he had worked for Woodrow Wilson, and, of course, was a fervent believer in internationalism. "Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed Bullitt the first US ambassador to the Soviet Union, a post that he filled from 1933 to 1936." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Christian_Bullitt,_Jr.


b. At the same time that the press was trumpeting his role in the Roosevelt/Litvinov Agreement, "Soviet Pact Held Bullitt Triumph," his uncle, Archdeacon James F. Bullitt, was making headlines of his own: "Bullitt's Uncle Says Soviet Deal Disgraces The United States." 'Russia will keep no promises with us."
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 82
Of course, he was correct.



13. In a letter to FDR, dated January 29, 1943, Ambassador William Bullitt warned Roosevelt about what would happen if he continued pursuing the policies of appeasement toward Stalin that formed the foundation of the American war strategy. He pleaded with FDR not to 'permit our war to prevent Nazi domination of Europe to be turned into a war to establish Soviet domination of Europe.' He predicted the Soviet annexation of half of Europe; George Kennan identified that letter as the earliest warning of what would be the result of FDR's policies.
"For the President Personal & Secret: Correspondence Between Franklin D. Roosevelt and William C. Bullitt," Orville H. Bullitt, p. 575-590


a. FDR replied: "Bill, I don't dispute your facts, they are accurate, I don't dispute the logic of your reasoning. I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man.

Harry [Hopkins, Stalin's agent who lived in the White House] says he's not and that he doesn't want anything in the world but security for his country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace."
William C. Bullitt, "How We Won The War and Lost The Peace," Life Magazine, August 30, 1948, p. 94




Here comes the dénouement of the thread, 'The Mind of Franklin Roosevelt"...

"I have just had a hunch that Stalin is not that kind of a man.... if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won't try to annex anything....."

 

[Unkotare]

How does pointing out that your wrong in your attempt to make the internment camps the same as concentration camps, make me in favor of concentration camps?

Your defense of concentration camps makes you in favor of concentration camps. You have bent over backwards in defense of that fucking scumbag FDR's concentration camps.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

No....private industry built it.
And

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

FDR put the limited funds available into developing the weapons that would be used to win the war. The bombers and fighter aircraft used in WWII were developed and aircraft factories tooled for production under the guidance of FDR so that when funds became available production began immediately. The same was done with Navel ships, including the production of the first two modern Essex class carriers. FDR correctly assessed how the coming war would have to be fought years before it began and began a doctrine that is with us to this day. Concentrate and focus on developing the highest tech most advanced weapons possible. That is what he did in the 1930's.
The Pearl Harbor attack did not devastate the American Navy. FDR had once again assessed the situation correctly. Battleships were becoming obsolete with the arrival of the aircraft carrier. The era of aircraft carriers being the dominate force of the seas had arrived. Japanese and German battleships were quickly taken out of action or forced to be hidden because of their weakness against aircraft.
Essex class carriers brought under development and production by FDR continued to serve the US Navy into the 1960's.

You'll say anything to defend him, huh?

Now explain why George Marshall would confront the most powerful man in the world, and insult him with "If you don't do something, and do it right a way....."

You're really a dunce.

Marshall was right....we had a weak military

Roosevelt built him the strongest military on earth

Consistently wrong, due to both your bias and your lack of education.

Luckily for you, I'm hear.

1. No, not Roosevelt....private industry built said military.....as I showed in post #111

2. Until mid May of 1940 Roosevelt spent his energy attacking capitalism.....then he had to grovel.