The liberals are not relenting on the global warming bullshit. Behold John Kerry.

[freedombecki]

Nothing you've said makes the slightest difference. AGW is real. The threat is real. How you feel about it changes nothing.

AGW is nothing but a huge swindle. The threat from cooties is greater than the threat from global warming. People are waking up to the fact and starting to rightly ignore the AGW Chicken Littles.

You can put that one in neon lights.

 

[mamooth]

Idiot.

Some helpful advice -- I can pull off the condescending act, because I'm smart. You can't.

Climate Change is a Constant and regardless of Human Activity it would be happening.

Unsupported assertion, and factually incorrect. The earth hasn't warmed at this rate before.

You have very little Tangible Evidence that covers this Entire Globe that goes back more than probably 25 years that you could even start concluding anything about anything.

Actually, proxies go back millions of years. And "natural cycles" have causes, we know those causes, and none of those previous causes are in play now. The earth should be cooling, according the natural cycles. You can't just wave your hands around wildly and scream "natural causes!"; you have to identify a cause. Global warming science has done that, which is why it has such credibility.

Arctic Ice was supposed to be a thing of the past in the Summer by 2013 according to the "Experts"

No. If you have to just make crap up like that, it shows your desperation. If you're not making it up, show us where this was stated in AR4. Don't bother cherrypicking one random person's statement somewhere, because such cherrypicking would be very dishonest.

yet it grew by 29% from 2012 to 2013.

So you think a new record low has to be set every year. Your lack of statistical acumen is noted.

When my State was Hot, Dry and on Fire a decade ago because of CYCLES, your side was saying, "get used to it"... Instead we've seen a trend of cold and moisture since...

Red herring. Your personal anecdotes are irrelevant.

This Winter a FUCK LOAD of WAY Below Average Cold and Moisture.

"MY BACKYARD IS THE WHOLE PLANET!" fallacy. Impressive. The word "global" seems to be beyond your understanding.

Suggest Retarding our Dominance in the World as a Remedy.

Great. Another one who think the data is a socialist plot. He's upset because things aren't going well for his political cult. There's a solution for that. If the real world disagrees with your political cult, leave your political cult. Or go down with the ship. You'll most likely choose the latter.

You should be working on your exit plan now, since you've got maybe two years left before the accumulating data makes your cult look like as crazy as flat earthers. I would suggest you immediately backpedal to the "But warming is good!" line of retreat. After than, you can later back up to "Okay, it's bad, but it costs too much to fix!". From that final defense line, you can simply slip into the jungle and abandon your cult.

 

[mamooth]

They still think climate change and MAN MADE global warming is the same.

Having fun with your strawmen? Yes, we know you dream them up because you can't address what a liberal actually says. Same old same old.

They actually think they we are denying climate change.

You're denying lots of things. The data, the scientific method, ethics, skepticism, honesty, history, physics. Basically, you're denying reality.

Their morons in on the left changed the term for more reasons than one.

When you constantly rant about "the left", you make your cult affiliation obvious. You don't see the rational people here ranting about politics. We talk about the science.

Again, you're a political cultist who knows nothing about the science. To you, this is entirely about achieving victory for your political cult. Denialism is not the cult; denialism is just one of several reality-denying conspiracy theories that the right-wing fringe cult is required to chant as a mantra. Outside of the right-wing fringe cult, denialism basically doesn't exist.

And global warming science is the exact opposite of that. It crosses all political boundaries across the world, because it's science, not politics.

Now, like a good cultist, I expect you'll start ranting about carbon credits or oil drilling again, thus proving my point. And be sure to play that race card some more. I never thought I'd see someone play the race card in a discussion like this, but you managed it.

 

[Iceweasel]

Unsupported assertion, and factually incorrect. The earth hasn't warmed at this rate before.

Thus sayith thy Lord. It's up a half degree on average in the last century.

Actually, proxies go back millions of years. And "natural cycles" have causes, we know those causes, and none of those previous causes are in play now. The earth should be cooling, according the natural cycles. You can't just wave your hands around wildly and scream "natural causes!"; you have to identify a cause. Global warming science has done that, which is why it has such credibility.

We know what the causes are, the sun. The sun drives the weather. Your high priests of Warming didn't mention it? You sound just like a Moonie. "Believe and you will find tranquility..."

Skeptical Views of Global Warming
Skeptical Views of Global Warming

The view of most climate scientists is that rising CO2 in the atmosphere, primarily from human activity, is driving the current increase in global temperature. A recent summary of the case for CO2 as the main radiative forcing for the human influence on global warming is Collins, et al. An active internet discussion site for climate scientists and others is Real Climate.

But climate modeling is very complex, the stakes are very high, and there are numerous special interests. This situation is tailor-made for controversy. The following are some of the types of objections that skeptics of CO2-driven global warming raise:

The CO2 is not sufficient to drive the currently observed warming.
The atmospheric CO2 level has been up to 10 times higher in the past. Why weren't there catastrophic consequences then?
Much of this century's temperature rise was in early years when industrial emissions were small, and there was a temperature decrease during the postwar economic boom.
Ice core records show CO2 rises lagging temperature rises rather than driving them.
Surface warming is more than atmospheric warming, in contrast to CO2-driven models.
The global temperature of t he past century correlates more strongly with solar activity than with CO2.
The sunspot activity of our Sun and the associated magnetic fields divert some of the cosmic rays that nucleate clouds on the Earth.

So you think a new record low has to be set every year. Your lack of statistical acumen is noted.

How many years would work for you?

You should be working on your exit plan now, since you've got maybe two years left before the accumulating data makes your cult look like as crazy as flat earthers. I would suggest you immediately backpedal to the "But warming is good!" line of retreat. After than, you can later back up to "Okay, it's bad, but it costs too much to fix!". From that final defense line, you can simply slip into the jungle and abandon your cult.

So it will be another two years (theoretically) until it can be proven but here you are making "scientific" statements.

 

[tinydancer]

Nothing you've said makes the slightest difference. AGW is real. The threat is real. How you feel about it changes nothing.

If AGW was real why has the warming trend stalled for the past 17 years? Human populations have exploded, industrialization in third world countries has exploded, why oh why has global warming stalled?

You can't have it both ways. And the Met and the IPCC are AGW idols and they are the ones saying that the warming trend has ended.

Met Office Data Shows Global Warming Standstill As IPCC Confirms Global Temperature Has Stopped Rising

Date: 29/09/13

The global warming ‘pause’ has now lasted for almost 17 years and shows no sign of ending – despite the unexplained failure of climate scientists’ computer models to predict it.

The Mail on Sunday has also learnt that because 2013 has been relatively cool, it is very likely that by the end of this year, world average temperatures will have crashed below the ‘90 per cent probability’ range projected by the models.

The graph above covers the period June 1997 to July 2013. It was drawn using the official Met Office ‘HadCRUT4’ monthly data for world average temperatures, and shows the lack of a warming trend.

It updates the chart The Mail on Sunday published a year ago, which first made the pause headline news and forced the IPCC to discuss it.

A footnote in the new report also confirms there has been no statistically significant increase since 1997.

Last night independent climate scientist Nic Lewis – an accredited IPCC reviewer and co-author of peer-reviewed papers – pointed out that taking start years of 2001, 2002 or 2003 would suggest a cooling trend of 0.02-0.05C per decade, though this would not be statistically significant.

Met Office Data Shows Global Warming Standstill As IPCC Confirms Global Temperature Has Stopped Rising | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

 

[emilynghiem]

Hi Rdean: To their credit, the Christians have been right about spiritual healing addressing the whole person, body mind and spirit. So all the liberals and atheists who rejected this, confusing it with fraudulent faith healing which is fake, have something to learn, too!
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As for your avatar, I posted on another thread, that the original photos show Zimmerman's nose swollen from being broken. If you saw the same images the police and jury saw, maybe you'd see it as more than a couple of healed scratches.

I still think he should have gotten involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide.
Both men were responsible for fighting that led to deadly violence, so whichever man killed the other should have gotten involuntary or negligent homicide, or sued for wrongful death.

Saw the science guy "debating" a right wing politician from Tennessee this morning on a talk show.

She giggled and smirked on the split screen every time he talked.

Worse, she had that ignorant "yawl" "Jethro/Ellie Mae" accent so many have.

It is nice seeing someone who is both reputable and has a scientific background at least trying to educate those on the right. I feel it's a lost cause. These people have lost the ability to actually "learn" anything significant.

Reminds me of Pat Robertson. This is a guy who believes gays walk around with AIDS "stick rings" giving people AIDS when they shake hands. Who believe 9/11 happened because God was angry gays are allowed to exist in this country. A guy who mused about how nice it would be if everyone in America was "forced" to become his type of Christian.

This nutjob fruitcake said evolution is so documented that if you don't accept it, you run the risk of being a "joke". It's the same with climate change.

 

[Abraham3]

I think you have your forums confused.

 

[flacaltenn]

I think you have your forums confused.

It was RDean that brought religious bigotry into the thread.. Hard for him to post the same 2 thoughts over and over again and make it conform to the topic. It's a special talent. I actually CHEERED when he posts that he learned something from Bill Nye, the science guy.. I'm rooting for him.. As we say in the South -- ".. bless his little heart"..

You must love this GWarming saturation bombing of the media. Media is wondering when they can stop without getting another nastygram from the DNC leadership. No one is being swayed by politicians lecturing them on consensus...

 

[Abraham3]

If AGW was real why has the warming trend stalled for the past 17 years? Human populations have exploded, industrialization in third world countries has exploded, why oh why has global warming stalled?

You can't have it both ways. And the Met and the IPCC are AGW idols and they are the ones saying that the warming trend has ended.

Met Office Data Shows Global Warming Standstill As IPCC Confirms Global Temperature Has Stopped Rising

Date: 29/09/13

The global warming ‘pause’ has now lasted for almost 17 years and shows no sign of ending – despite the unexplained failure of climate scientists’ computer models to predict it.

Look at what happens between 1941 and 1979. Compare that to what has happened since 1998. Now tell me you think this current hiatus must mark the end of global warming.

 

[Wyld Kard]

"Climate change may be the world's "most fearsome" weapon of mass destruction and urgent global action is needed to combat it.", U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said

The corrupt John Kerry is doing the exact same thing that Al Gore has done, and that is to run a fear campaign about climate change and scare gullible idiots into thinking that something needs to be done about Climate Change and we need to act now.

WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT!

Whether it's was called Global Warming or now Climate Change, it is nothing more than a Global Scam.

 

[flacaltenn]

"Climate change may be the world's "most fearsome" weapon of mass destruction and urgent global action is needed to combat it.", U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said

The corrupt John Kerry is doing the exact same thing that Al Gore has done, and that is to run a fear campaign about climate change and scare gullible idiots into thinking that something needs to be done about Climate Change and we need to act now.

WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT!

Whether it's was called Global Warming or now Climate Change, it is nothing more than a Global Scam.

Well Wildcard, projecting guilt is an important leftist tool. Call out your opposition for stuff you do all the time. In fact the Goron INVENTED "playing on your fears"..



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[Abraham3]

Your link is seriously broken.

Feel free to express your opinions, but without some evidence backing them up, don't be surprised if they aren't given much value by your audience.

 

[flacaltenn]

Your link is seriously broken.

Feel free to express your opinions, but without some evidence backing them up, don't be surprised if they aren't given much value by your audience.

If you think the link is seriously broken, you should see the rest of my day.. Major project spreading all over the lab. Turn it all on -- then hear tornado sirens. Took me 15 minutes to make it all cool and safe again -- then diving into the basement. No phone, no internet, no TV for hours. It's that Global Warming.. Causes spring tornado sirens in February..

Anyway -- I fixed it for you. Al Gore bellowing about OTHERS "playing on your fears"..
It's a classic man. And I KNOW you're old enough to remember that..

Enjoy matey... Watch it twice..

 

[joshuah]

Look at what happens between 1941 and 1979. Compare that to what has happened since 1998. Now tell me you think this current hiatus must mark the end of global warming.

And how much more CO2 was in the atmosphere 1998-2013 compared to 1941-1979? And where did the models predict we would be by now?

 

[Abraham3]

The models did not predict the current hiatus. Neither would they have predicted what happened in 1941.

You will note there was sufficient CO2 to cause the extreme warming between 1900 and 1941. The rate is nearly identical to what we experienced between '79 and '98.