the lesson of Hiroshima

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    when we say the war is over and you need to surrender, just surrender.

    you can shove the idea that you're going to occupy mainland Asia and continue the war until the last man.
     
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    I would honestly hope that the lesson of Hiroshima has more elements of morality than that. Yes, the bomb had the intended effect, I wish Harry Truman or whoever selected those two quiet cities, had paused long enough to consider alternative strike options. But it is what it is and now we can only hope that some future maniac with deadly resources cuts us some slack and doesn't do the same thing to us. Ayn Rand said that morality was not intended to inflict suffering and pain but was intended to sponsor life and prosperity. Let us hope that the next bully understands at least that much.
     
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    With out the bombs one of two things would have happened. The most likely would have been the Invasion of main land Japan which would have seen MILLIONS of dead Japanese and hundreds of thousands of Allied casualties. The other thing that might have happened would have been no invasion and the starvatiion of millions of Japanese as they had no way to feed their people or warm their homes in the coming winter.

    The Japanese Army controlled the Government and had NO INTENTION of surrendering, In fact all they offered was a ceasefire and a return to November 1941 start lines. Even after the first bomb they refused to surrender and after the second they again refused, Only the intervention of the Emperor changed that and then the army attempted a coup to stop him.
     
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    Move to Military
     
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    Lesson #2, when a country is clearly defeated and civilians are being slaughtered daily with incendiary bombs, the duty of the winning side is to try to end the carnage. Little timid Harry Truman was apparently influenced by the ghost of FDR and refused to negotiate with the Bushido holdouts who seemed to be in charge so the Japanese had no other choice but to negotiate peace terms with Joe Stalin of all people. Americans have the right (some would say the duty) to judge the conduct of the people who were in charge during WW2 and judge the concept of killing civilians to achieve military victory. We need to consider that the media sources at the time had become a propaganda arm of the government and they can't be trusted to tell the truth. Harry Truman might have been pressured by the egghead scientists and maniacs in the military to use the weapon they worked so hard to develop while the U.S still had the chance.
     
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    It shortened the war and saved thousands of lives...
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    Last Surviving Crew Member Has 'No Regrets' About Bombing Hiroshima

    August 6, 2018 • Russell Gackenbach was a 22-year-old second lieutenant on Aug. 6, 1945, when he flew in the Necessary Evil, one of three planes in the mission that dropped the first nuclear weapon used in warfare.
     
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    Followers of the Bashido are very difficult to admit defeat. Even defeat, the Japanese are hard pressed. This reminds me of the Black Night.

     

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