The Left Are Unable to Learn and Are Becoming Extinct

[Weatherman2020]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

 

[NightFox]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

Well on the bright side at least they aren't blaming Bush (yet), which is a nice change of pace.

 

[Weatherman2020]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

Well on the bright side at least they aren't blaming Bush (yet), which is a nice change of pace.

On Nov 9 everything bad became Trump's fault. DOW futures were down, it was Trump. DOW up 8% since election day - Obama did it. Yeah right. Obama going golfing made the market go up.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

Well on the bright side at least they aren't blaming Bush (yet), which is a nice change of pace.

Realistically, the Bush family is a not-too-distant relation, being globalists all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh good, another partisan bullshit post. I mean, this forum is filling up with them to the point that proper discussion has almost disappeared.

 

[Mac1958]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
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[Weatherman2020]

Oh good, another partisan bullshit post. I mean, this forum is filling up with them to the point that proper discussion has almost disappeared.

Thanks for validating the OP.

 

[martybegan]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

Never assume the left will go extinct, because someone will always think THEY can make progressive statism work, its the OTHER GUYS who got it all wrong.

It's just too easy of a tool for those who lust for power and control of their fellow humans.

 

[NightFox]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
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It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

 

[Mac1958]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
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It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

Liberals are less likely to identify as liberal, many think of themselves as "mainstream". Conservatives are more likely to be proud and open about their ideology.

Just look at the popular vote. This is a split country.
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[Weatherman2020]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
.

It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

Liberals are less likely to identify as liberal, many think of themselves as "mainstream". Conservatives are more likely to be proud and open about their ideology.

Just look at the popular vote. This is a split country.
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Agreed. Very few leftists will call themselves a leftist. But when you look at their beliefs, they would make Lenin blush.

 

[martybegan]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
.

It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

Liberals are less likely to identify as liberal, many think of themselves as "mainstream". Conservatives are more likely to be proud and open about their ideology.

Just look at the popular vote. This is a split country.
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I think we are rapidly approaching the point where the liberal/conservative labels will have to give way to more specific titles.

I know, "strict constructional federalist with libertarian leanings" doesn't roll of the tongue, but it's a better descriptor than calling me "conservative"

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
.

It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

Liberals are less likely to identify as liberal, many think of themselves as "mainstream". Conservatives are more likely to be proud and open about their ideology.

Just look at the popular vote. This is a split country.
.

I think we are rapidly approaching the point where the liberal/conservative labels will have to give way to more specific titles.

I know, "strict constructional federalist with libertarian leanings" doesn't roll of the tongue, but it's a better descriptor than calling me "conservative"

How about "Americans" for "conservatives" and "Kumquats" for "liberals"?

 

[NYcarbineer]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

The political rules didn't change. The rule that you can lose the vote and win the presidency is the same old rule,

we've just never seen how stupid that rule can be.

 

[martybegan]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

The political rules didn't change. The rule that you can lose the vote and win the presidency is the same old rule,

we've just never seen how stupid that rule can be.

 

[Weatherman2020]

“The Trump campaign seems to have had a pretty good idea of what its Republican opponents and the Clinton campaign were up to, but the reverse was clearly not true. In post-election interviews Clinton campaign operatives were blaming their defeat on racism, the FBI director, the Russians. Mature adults would be seeking to understand how they had missed out on how the rules were changing.”

How the political rules changed in 2016

The political rules didn't change. The rule that you can lose the vote and win the presidency is the same old rule,

we've just never seen how stupid that rule can be.

The lefts hate of the US Constitution is nothing new.

 

[NightFox]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
.

It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

Liberals are less likely to identify as liberal, many think of themselves as "mainstream". Conservatives are more likely to be proud and open about their ideology.

Upon what evidence do you base that assertion? You're essentially saying that left wingers are ashamed to self identify as "liberals" and self identify as moderates instead, which I have never seen any evidence to support.

Just look at the popular vote. This is a split country.
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Yes just look at the popular vote and where Hillary Clinton got most of hers, then look at the other 80% of the Republic, clearly the conservatives and the moderates dominate the landscape interrupted only by coastal left wing enclaves.

This country is split from a Democrat/Republican standpoint not from a left wing/right wing standpoint, the decimation of the Democrats under the current left winger in the White House should demonstrate that, if the Democrats go farther to the left, they'll end up being a smaller regional party than they are right now and the left wingers will be left entirely out in the cold from a national political power standpoint since they need moderates more than conservatives do.

 

[Weatherman2020]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
.

It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

Liberals are less likely to identify as liberal, many think of themselves as "mainstream". Conservatives are more likely to be proud and open about their ideology.

Upon what evidence do you base that assertion? You're essentially saying that left wingers are ashamed to self identify as "liberals" and self identify as moderates instead, which I have never seen any evidence to support.

Just look at the popular vote. This is a split country.
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Yes just look at the popular vote and where Hillary Clinton got most of hers, then look at the other 80% of the Republic, clearly the conservatives and the moderates dominate the landscape interrupted only by coastal left wing enclaves.

This country is split from a Democrat/Republican standpoint not from a left wing/right wing standpoint, the decimation of the Democrats under the current left winger in the White House should demonstrate that, if the Democrats go farther to the left, they'll end up being a smaller regional party than they are right now and the left wingers will be left entirely out in the cold from a national political power standpoint since they need moderates more than conservatives do.

Half of America believes government should be bigger, the Constitution is a bad document, killing babies is a great idea, the old and weak should remove themselves from this world, etc etc. This nation has never been more divided between good and evil. Even in 1860.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

Actually if we go on who controls what Republicans control most govt positions. While they complain about Politicians and liberals.

Its like when Fox News talks about the media as if they are above it all.

 

[Mac1958]

To assume that the Left is becoming extinct would be a very bad idea, and it would be allowing hubris to control your actions.

The country is evenly split, and the Left still has plenty of influence.

If Trump kicks ass and does well, great, good for America. But it's on him and the GOP now.

It won't take much for the GOP to be on their backs again, so over-interpreting this "mandate" would be foolish.
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It's not "evenly split", with only slightly more than 20% of the adult populace self-identifying as "liberal" and nearly 40% as "conservative", if the Democrats as a party lurch farther to the left the left will indeed risk becoming "extinct" from a political power standpoint since they'll have shrunk their only viable vehicle to power into a regional party.

Fortunately for the Democrats I don't believe that the Democrat Powers that be are going to let that happen, they'll throw the left wingers some crumbs and find another pseudo centrist Clinton look a like to carry the party standard, Obama was the lefty wet dream and just look at what his tenure did to the political power of the left.

Liberals are less likely to identify as liberal, many think of themselves as "mainstream". Conservatives are more likely to be proud and open about their ideology.

Upon what evidence do you base that assertion? You're essentially saying that left wingers are ashamed to self identify as "liberals" and self identify as moderates instead, which I have never seen any evidence to support.

Just look at the popular vote. This is a split country.
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Yes just look at the popular vote and where Hillary Clinton got most of hers, then look at the other 80% of the Republic, clearly the conservatives and the moderates dominate the landscape interrupted only by coastal left wing enclaves.

This country is split from a Democrat/Republican standpoint not from a left wing/right wing standpoint, the decimation of the Democrats under the current left winger in the White House should demonstrate that, if the Democrats go farther to the left, they'll end up being a smaller regional party than they are right now and the left wingers will be left entirely out in the cold from a national political power standpoint since they need moderates more than conservatives do.

I don't know if the Left is ashamed to identify as liberals, or if they really do look at themselves as mainstream, or some of both. One of the many little areas that are part of my ongoing amateur psychological / sociological / anthropological study of hardcore partisan ideology.



Regarding the nature of the split, I'm not talking about geography, just sheer numbers. We all know what the popular vote ended up being in 2016, and even though they are essentially regional now, the numbers are the numbers.

The GOP can go ahead and take the election as a "mandate" and try to cram their agenda down our throat. That's their call. The Dems made the same mistake just eight years ago, and I don't really expect the ends of the spectrum to learn from their mistakes.
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