The irrefutable damage Right wing talk show hosts have done to the Republican Party.

[Dekster]

I will wait until the democrats post it to "shine light on" whatever they want to bitch about today instead of actually promoting common sense policies that comport with reality.

Deporting 11 million people comports with reality? Banning Muslims comports with reality? Building a fence that won't stop anybody comport's with reality? Supporting a 2nd rate reality show host for the presidency is reality? That's not reality. That's fantasy.

And once again a democrat offers nothing but criticism of the right because they have no way of practically addressing those issues from the left.

Those things are being addressed in a practical way. Trump even said he would continue the immigration policies because they are working. He also said the wall was just a suggestion.

So you are a democrat who supports Trump when it is convenient even in the midst of attacking him...how very cerebral of you.

I did support Trump in the primaries because Trump as the republican nominee was and still is the best gift anyone could give Hillary. Pointing out that he now admits that the things he claimed he would do, to get the nomination, were dumb and unworkable doesn't mean I support him.

Not unworkable at all. Instead of "banning Muslims" they would just have to designate people from certain countries subject to a higher degree of scrutiny either because they have lived there, were born there, or have visited there for more than a certain number of days within a certain number of years, and then subject them to such a rigorous level of documentation and interviews and such that most would just give up. It is what Japan does with its gun laws.

As for mexico, both sides are idiotic. The only way to stop illegal border crossings from being a noticeable event would be to encourage businesses to locate there, and not punish them as long as their lowest wages corresponded with a purchasing power parity for similar jobs in the US.

 

[Theowl32]

Do you know leftists are so stupid that they don't know Marc Levin and Glenn Beck attack Trump daily?

There is nothing worse than a left wing American. Nothing.

 

[Iceweasel]

Here is a great article that discuss's the demise of the party due to Right wing talk show hosts, and it explains in detail how it happened...
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Con talk shows have certainly given voice to the right wing fringe but considering their fervor, the advent and growth of social media and political websites would have done the same over the past 20 years.

The Trump crowd supported Pat Buchanan and, to a lesser degree, Ron Paul in years past but were marginalized.
Buchanan collected his matching election funds and promptly disappeared.
Ron Paul saw who was following him and promptly retired. He is now a shill for a convicted fraud who regularly predicts - perhaps promotes - our economic demise.

Thanks to Con Radio, the social media, and a strong disdain for MS Repubs, their voices and message were amplified, chasing less ardent, more pragmatic conservatives from the tent.

It happens and soon the Dems will split as their hard core leftists chase the moderates from their tent.

And the political pendulum swings back and forth.

Right wing talk shows reach.....maybe 3 million people.

...But I disagree with your 3 million figure, there's many more than that. They are the Tea Party in this country--they are the ones that voted for Donald Trump, and since he got around 13 million during the primary that should give some idea as to how many do listen to these people...

Not all or even most who voted for The Donald did so because Rush (or Sean, or Bill, or Michael, or Ann) told them to and much of his MS support was simply expressing exasperation at the status quo. I would go so far as to say some if not most of the talking heads (and many moderate Repubs) were caught off-guard (and disgusted) by Trump's success in the primaries.

Trump is exactly what rush and the rest of right wing radio has been demanding for years. Don't try to pretend that they haven't been guiding the GOP for a long time.

Further evidence you are clueless. But why out yourself? The two I listen to, Rush and Medved were in the tank for Cruz and criticized Trump for not being a conservative.

 

[Theowl32]

Deporting 11 million people comports with reality? Banning Muslims comports with reality? Building a fence that won't stop anybody comport's with reality? Supporting a 2nd rate reality show host for the presidency is reality? That's not reality. That's fantasy.

And once again a democrat offers nothing but criticism of the right because they have no way of practically addressing those issues from the left.

Those things are being addressed in a practical way. Trump even said he would continue the immigration policies because they are working. He also said the wall was just a suggestion.

So you are a democrat who supports Trump when it is convenient even in the midst of attacking him...how very cerebral of you.

I did support Trump in the primaries because Trump as the republican nominee was and still is the best gift anyone could give Hillary. Pointing out that he now admits that the things he claimed he would do, to get the nomination, were dumb and unworkable doesn't mean I support him.

Not unworkable at all. Instead of "banning Muslims" they would just have to designate people from certain countries subject to a higher degree of scrutiny either because they have lived there, were born there, or have visited there for more than a certain number of days within a certain number of years, and then subject them to such a rigorous level of documentation and interviews and such that most would just give up. It is what Japan does with its gun laws.

As for mexico, both sides are idiotic. The only way to stop illegal border crossings from being a noticeable event would be to encourage businesses to locate there, and not punish them as long as their lowest wages corresponded with a purchasing power parity for similar jobs in the US.

They will break out the race card. Trust that.

 

[BULLDOG]

Here is a great article that discuss's the demise of the party due to Right wing talk show hosts, and it explains in detail how it happened...
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Con talk shows have certainly given voice to the right wing fringe but considering their fervor, the advent and growth of social media and political websites would have done the same over the past 20 years.

The Trump crowd supported Pat Buchanan and, to a lesser degree, Ron Paul in years past but were marginalized.
Buchanan collected his matching election funds and promptly disappeared.
Ron Paul saw who was following him and promptly retired. He is now a shill for a convicted fraud who regularly predicts - perhaps promotes - our economic demise.

Thanks to Con Radio, the social media, and a strong disdain for MS Repubs, their voices and message were amplified, chasing less ardent, more pragmatic conservatives from the tent.

It happens and soon the Dems will split as their hard core leftists chase the moderates from their tent.

And the political pendulum swings back and forth.

Right wing talk shows reach.....maybe 3 million people.

...But I disagree with your 3 million figure, there's many more than that. They are the Tea Party in this country--they are the ones that voted for Donald Trump, and since he got around 13 million during the primary that should give some idea as to how many do listen to these people...

Not all or even most who voted for The Donald did so because Rush (or Sean, or Bill, or Michael, or Ann) told them to and much of his MS support was simply expressing exasperation at the status quo. I would go so far as to say some if not most of the talking heads (and many moderate Repubs) were caught off-guard (and disgusted) by Trump's success in the primaries.

Trump is exactly what rush and the rest of right wing radio has been demanding for years. Don't try to pretend that they haven't been guiding the GOP for a long time.

Further evidence you are clueless. But why out yourself? The two I listen to, Rush and Medved were in the tank for Cruz and criticized Trump for not being a conservative.

So Trump isn't as rabid about religion as they had hoped. He still says the things that bible thumpers want to hear, even if he doesn't have a long history of religious nuttery. Trump more than fulfills all the other crazy demands from the right.

 

[Iceweasel]

Here is a great article that discuss's the demise of the party due to Right wing talk show hosts, and it explains in detail how it happened...
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Con talk shows have certainly given voice to the right wing fringe but considering their fervor, the advent and growth of social media and political websites would have done the same over the past 20 years.

The Trump crowd supported Pat Buchanan and, to a lesser degree, Ron Paul in years past but were marginalized.
Buchanan collected his matching election funds and promptly disappeared.
Ron Paul saw who was following him and promptly retired. He is now a shill for a convicted fraud who regularly predicts - perhaps promotes - our economic demise.

Thanks to Con Radio, the social media, and a strong disdain for MS Repubs, their voices and message were amplified, chasing less ardent, more pragmatic conservatives from the tent.

It happens and soon the Dems will split as their hard core leftists chase the moderates from their tent.

And the political pendulum swings back and forth.

Right wing talk shows reach.....maybe 3 million people.

...But I disagree with your 3 million figure, there's many more than that. They are the Tea Party in this country--they are the ones that voted for Donald Trump, and since he got around 13 million during the primary that should give some idea as to how many do listen to these people...

Not all or even most who voted for The Donald did so because Rush (or Sean, or Bill, or Michael, or Ann) told them to and much of his MS support was simply expressing exasperation at the status quo. I would go so far as to say some if not most of the talking heads (and many moderate Repubs) were caught off-guard (and disgusted) by Trump's success in the primaries.

Trump is exactly what rush and the rest of right wing radio has been demanding for years. Don't try to pretend that they haven't been guiding the GOP for a long time.

Further evidence you are clueless. But why out yourself? The two I listen to, Rush and Medved were in the tank for Cruz and criticized Trump for not being a conservative.

So Trump isn't as rabid about religion as they had hoped. He still says the things that bible thumpers want to hear, even if he doesn't have a long history of religious nuttery. Trump more than fulfills all the other crazy demands from the right.

The rabies are all yours. Get a shot for it, makes you look deranged. Rush isn't openly religious and Medved isn't a Christian. Both are fiscal conservatives though.

 

[Dekster]

And once again a democrat offers nothing but criticism of the right because they have no way of practically addressing those issues from the left.

Those things are being addressed in a practical way. Trump even said he would continue the immigration policies because they are working. He also said the wall was just a suggestion.

So you are a democrat who supports Trump when it is convenient even in the midst of attacking him...how very cerebral of you.

I did support Trump in the primaries because Trump as the republican nominee was and still is the best gift anyone could give Hillary. Pointing out that he now admits that the things he claimed he would do, to get the nomination, were dumb and unworkable doesn't mean I support him.

Not unworkable at all. Instead of "banning Muslims" they would just have to designate people from certain countries subject to a higher degree of scrutiny either because they have lived there, were born there, or have visited there for more than a certain number of days within a certain number of years, and then subject them to such a rigorous level of documentation and interviews and such that most would just give up. It is what Japan does with its gun laws.

As for mexico, both sides are idiotic. The only way to stop illegal border crossings from being a noticeable event would be to encourage businesses to locate there, and not punish them as long as their lowest wages corresponded with a purchasing power parity for similar jobs in the US.

They will break out the race card. Trust that.

So?

 

[BULLDOG]

Here is a great article that discuss's the demise of the party due to Right wing talk show hosts, and it explains in detail how it happened...
Donald Trump broke the conservative media

Con talk shows have certainly given voice to the right wing fringe but considering their fervor, the advent and growth of social media and political websites would have done the same over the past 20 years.

The Trump crowd supported Pat Buchanan and, to a lesser degree, Ron Paul in years past but were marginalized.
Buchanan collected his matching election funds and promptly disappeared.
Ron Paul saw who was following him and promptly retired. He is now a shill for a convicted fraud who regularly predicts - perhaps promotes - our economic demise.

Thanks to Con Radio, the social media, and a strong disdain for MS Repubs, their voices and message were amplified, chasing less ardent, more pragmatic conservatives from the tent.

It happens and soon the Dems will split as their hard core leftists chase the moderates from their tent.

And the political pendulum swings back and forth.

...But I disagree with your 3 million figure, there's many more than that. They are the Tea Party in this country--they are the ones that voted for Donald Trump, and since he got around 13 million during the primary that should give some idea as to how many do listen to these people...

Not all or even most who voted for The Donald did so because Rush (or Sean, or Bill, or Michael, or Ann) told them to and much of his MS support was simply expressing exasperation at the status quo. I would go so far as to say some if not most of the talking heads (and many moderate Repubs) were caught off-guard (and disgusted) by Trump's success in the primaries.

Trump is exactly what rush and the rest of right wing radio has been demanding for years. Don't try to pretend that they haven't been guiding the GOP for a long time.

Further evidence you are clueless. But why out yourself? The two I listen to, Rush and Medved were in the tank for Cruz and criticized Trump for not being a conservative.

So Trump isn't as rabid about religion as they had hoped. He still says the things that bible thumpers want to hear, even if he doesn't have a long history of religious nuttery. Trump more than fulfills all the other crazy demands from the right.

The rabies are all yours. Get a shot for it, makes you look deranged. Rush isn't openly religious and Medved isn't a Christian. Both are fiscal conservatives though.

They don't have to be religious if they mouth the words that so called right wing christians want to hear.

 

[Mac1958]

I guess you're trying to be funny. But to keep these kind of audiences "entertained"--you're right they have to give them something to be ANGRY about. And they'll do anything, say anything to keep them ANGRY and tuned in. I thought this was the greatest description of the new party RULES.

"In fact, a list of what “Republicans” now stand for has nothing at all to do with policy or principle, but rather is filled with beliefs about very specific concepts. For instance, being a member of the current GOP pretty much requires you to pledge allegiance to most, if not all, of the following views"

• That Hillary and Bill Clinton are at least an accessories to murder if not murderers, the DNC killed a member of its staff for leaking her emails, her use of which was the greatest national security breech in history, and Vince Foster killed himself because of Hillary nagging him (assuming he really wasn’t murdered).
• Hillary Clinton is hiding a severe illness which makes her incapable of holding office and which will soon cause her death (well, at least we might not have to worry about her serving two full terms!).
• President Obama is easily the worst president in history, a Muslim terrorist sympathizer, the founder of ISIS, and likely wasn’t really born in the United States.
• The Republican “establishment” is a bunch of impotent losers because they lost two elections to a media darling and can’t override vetoes without a super majority, but a guy who has never been truly leading a candidate like Hillary in the polls is a sure winner.
• Conservative writers at the National Review and Weekly Standard along with Charles Krauthammer, George Will and Brit Hume are all out-of-touch wimps who can’t be trusted to tell us the truth, but Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Matt Drudge and Alex Jones would never lie to us for profit (expect for maybe that whole Alex Jones “9/11 Truther” thing, which we’ll sort of pretend didn’t happen).
• When in doubt, Trump is always right, no matter what he has said in the past, even when it has directly contradicted his previous statement, and even if that happens on the same day, or in the same interview.
• Deporting illegal immigrants and building a huge wall on our Mexican border is the most important thing we must do, unless Trump changes his mind.
• There is nothing more significant (especially now that we’ve forgotten about that whole illegal immigration thing) than making sure that the person who picks the next Supreme Court justice is the same guy who was recently favors eminent domain and curtailing the First Amendment, and who picked Arsenio Hall and Piers Morgan as the “Celebrity Apprentice.”
• The news media has never been more biased than they are against Trump, which is why they gave him two billion dollars in free advertising in the primaries and why he just hired the head of a major conservative “news” outlet to head his campaign while using Sean Hannity and Roger Ailes as advisors.
• The background of a potential First Lady and her ability to properly represent the country no longer matters (that’s so 2008!).
• Experience in public office no longer matters (that’s so 2008!).
• Using a Teleprompter is good, unless it is bad (that’s so 2008!).
• Flip-flopping means nothing (so 2004!).
• Releasing your tax returns (even when you entire campaign is based on your wealth) means nothing.
• Words mean nothing.
• Having class or decency means nothing.
• Limited government means nothing.
• Fiscal responsibility means nothing.
• Cozying up to Vladimir Putin is numerous bizarre ways means nothing.
• Campaigning as an amazing manager of people but running a campaign that is in constant chaos and disarray means nothing.
• Lying is a total disqualifier for Hillary, but when Trump lies it is simply part of the “Art of the Deal.”
• Polls are either wrong or part of a massive nonsensical conspiracy, unless Trump is winning.
  Facts mean nothing (unless they are sanctified by Matt Drudge, in which case they are then gospel).
• Stories from “mainstream” media sources are inherently wrong, even if all they are doing is reporting Trump’s actual words.
• Hillary is the worst person who has ever lived and would be such a dangerous president that we must do everything possible to defeat her, except actually bother to consider electability when it comes to picking our nominee.
• All Along I Thought Trump Wasn’t a Conservative/Republican, But Now I Realize I’m Not

All brought to you by 3 or more daily hours of Reich wing talk radio and those on FOX News that have taught the politically inept how to be ignorant--angry Reich wingers.

Take a look at Eric Bolling and Sean Hannity. These two far rightwing palookas embody this to a tee. They bash and over exaggerate every single Democrat slight, and they excuse and ignore every single Republican sin.

They are this season's Dickinson "Toe Sucking" Morris. Once Hillary wins, FOXNEWS will boot their sorry asses.

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I've read a few books on the subconscious (okay, no, that doesn't make me an expert, but....) and they all agree that there are certain conditions that can literally change thought processes. This can include ideology, of course.

The primary conditions are repetition of input, limited exposure to contrary input and self-repetition of that input (particularly speaking). It essentially creates an inner echo chamber and feeds on itself fairly quickly.

Obviously this isn't limited to one political side or the other, but talk radio is right there, in a person's head, for hours a day.
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That could be also true for those who feel that they must refute everything the other side says no matter what it is. It becomes almost obsessive for them.

Yep, fight every last thing, never give an inch, always spin and attack.

The problem is that more people on both ends are like this, and it's ripping us apart.
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If someone is having a pissy day and wants to troll their emotional baggage it is one thing. Unfortunately I see too much of the other. I am perhaps more aware of it because I don't support Hillary or Trump and because I am a progressive socialist who does not support the DNC or their current war on poverty programs for the most part which are really a war on the poor. It cracks me up when the DNC cub scouts try to paint me as some right wing conservative republican. I support programs that work and ideas that make sense. Theirs often are neither, but since I criticize the I just have to be one of them right wingers in their mind because only a right wing conservative could take exception to the DNC star chamber's brilliance. LOL.

I think it's human nature to want to categorize things and people, and I'm certainly guilty of that too at times.

Where it crosses a line with me is when people attack (and I mean partisan personal attacks & name-calling) based on purely binary thinking. "You said this, so you must be that, and I'm going to attack you for it."

Well, I don't know what they're accomplishing with that behavior, and I can't imagine they think they're actually improving anything. So I just don't get the point of the whole thing.
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[2aguy]

Wrong.....the Republicans kept asking for the votes to get control of congress......so they could stop obama.....we gave them landslide election after landslide election...and then they did nothing....in fact, some tried to join him on several issues damaging to the country....like immigration amnesty.....

So after a while...repbulican voters decided that we aren't going to put up with it anymore...we are not democrats...who will allow democrats to crap all over their people and not get voted out of office..;

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong.....the Republicans kept asking for the votes to get control of congress......so they could stop obama.....we gave them landslide election after landslide election...and then they did nothing....in fact, some tried to join him on several issues damaging to the country....like immigration amnesty.....

So after a while...repbulican voters decided that we aren't going to put up with it anymore...we are not democrats...who will allow democrats to crap all over their people and not get voted out of office..;

LOL....Trump is your answer

 

[2aguy]

Wrong.....the Republicans kept asking for the votes to get control of congress......so they could stop obama.....we gave them landslide election after landslide election...and then they did nothing....in fact, some tried to join him on several issues damaging to the country....like immigration amnesty.....

So after a while...repbulican voters decided that we aren't going to put up with it anymore...we are not democrats...who will allow democrats to crap all over their people and not get voted out of office..;

LOL....Trump is your answer

Considering he beat the establishment guys...the very guys who refused to do the things they promised they would do......that is how you treat politicians who make promises and then don't keep them, you keep them out of office, unlike the democrats who will vote in democrats no matter how much they lie, or sell their offices for money.....and then they wonder why things never change.......

 

[Mac1958]

Good to see this issue beginning to come to light. Conservative talk radio (and later, right wing internet) has been a huge net loss for the Republican party, and I'll guarantee you a lot of Republican politicians know it.

Rush and the others know that they have to be absolutist to attract and retain fans, so that's how they behave. The problem is, their fans become the same way in real life, and we're seeing it manifest now.

Conservative talk radio has been bashing "the Establishment" for years now, and that's how Trump won. It's not a freakin' coincidence.
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Golly, that sounds rather absolutist! LOL.

The establishment guys are not conservatives, that's the whole problem. Why wouldn't a conservative host criticize them? It might sound absolutist to a unhappy polemic listener but it's the truth. Many Republicans aren't much different than Democrats, especially when they gain some power.

Where exactly is the huge loss? You simply posited it with nothing to back it up with. The fact that liberals are unhappy and bitch about something is proof positive they are on the right track.

Perhaps you don't see the country moving Left. I do, and I'm concerned that we'll kneejerk too far to the Left, helped in no small measure by the fact the alternate is so unappealing.

If you think things are going your way, great.
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Just out of curiosity, what is it you "fear" from a too far left country? What would "too far left" look like?

Well, that's a fair question, and I can't guarantee that I can adequately answer it. So a few random thoughts:

There are two issues on which I am irreparably opposed to the Democrats: The various issues surrounding PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation; and their shallow, almost simplistic view of business and business economics. So the further we go in those areas, the less thrilled I'm gonna be.

On a spectrum between where we are now and what is viewed as a true Euro-social democracy, I'd say I'm about in the middle. And I'm not a globalist, I don't think the world is anywhere near ready for that.

And, since we're in such a binary, all-or-nothing time in our politics, I'm very concerned that the Alt Right is opening the door, out of pure ineptitude, for a move further to the Left than I'd like.

That all might make zero sense. I can (try to) attempt that again.
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[rightwinger]

Wrong.....the Republicans kept asking for the votes to get control of congress......so they could stop obama.....we gave them landslide election after landslide election...and then they did nothing....in fact, some tried to join him on several issues damaging to the country....like immigration amnesty.....

So after a while...repbulican voters decided that we aren't going to put up with it anymore...we are not democrats...who will allow democrats to crap all over their people and not get voted out of office..;

LOL....Trump is your answer

Considering he beat the establishment guys...the very guys who refused to do the things they promised they would do......that is how you treat politicians who make promises and then don't keep them, you keep them out of office, unlike the democrats who will vote in democrats no matter how much they lie, or sell their offices for money.....and then they wonder why things never change.......

Its amazing what you can do with low information voters

 

[Seawytch]

Good to see this issue beginning to come to light. Conservative talk radio (and later, right wing internet) has been a huge net loss for the Republican party, and I'll guarantee you a lot of Republican politicians know it.

Rush and the others know that they have to be absolutist to attract and retain fans, so that's how they behave. The problem is, their fans become the same way in real life, and we're seeing it manifest now.

Conservative talk radio has been bashing "the Establishment" for years now, and that's how Trump won. It's not a freakin' coincidence.
.

Golly, that sounds rather absolutist! LOL.

The establishment guys are not conservatives, that's the whole problem. Why wouldn't a conservative host criticize them? It might sound absolutist to a unhappy polemic listener but it's the truth. Many Republicans aren't much different than Democrats, especially when they gain some power.

Where exactly is the huge loss? You simply posited it with nothing to back it up with. The fact that liberals are unhappy and bitch about something is proof positive they are on the right track.

Perhaps you don't see the country moving Left. I do, and I'm concerned that we'll kneejerk too far to the Left, helped in no small measure by the fact the alternate is so unappealing.

If you think things are going your way, great.
.

Just out of curiosity, what is it you "fear" from a too far left country? What would "too far left" look like?

Well, that's a fair question, and I can't guarantee that I can adequately answer it. So a few random thoughts:

There are two issues on which I am irreparably opposed to the Democrats: The various issues surrounding PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation; and their shallow, almost simplistic view of business and business economics. So the further we go in those areas, the less thrilled I'm gonna be.

On a spectrum between where we are now and what is viewed as a true Euro-social democracy, I'd say I'm about in the middle. And I'm not a globalist, I don't think the world is anywhere near ready for that.

And, since we're in such a binary, all-or-nothing time in our politics, I'm very concerned that the Alt Right is opening the door, out of pure ineptitude, for a move further to the Left than I'd like.

That all might make zero sense. I can (try to) attempt that again.
.

So your "fear" is that we will become "too PC" if we go "too far left"? Being kind and courteous to people is a bridge too far?

 

[Mac1958]

Good to see this issue beginning to come to light. Conservative talk radio (and later, right wing internet) has been a huge net loss for the Republican party, and I'll guarantee you a lot of Republican politicians know it.

Rush and the others know that they have to be absolutist to attract and retain fans, so that's how they behave. The problem is, their fans become the same way in real life, and we're seeing it manifest now.

Conservative talk radio has been bashing "the Establishment" for years now, and that's how Trump won. It's not a freakin' coincidence.
.

Golly, that sounds rather absolutist! LOL.

The establishment guys are not conservatives, that's the whole problem. Why wouldn't a conservative host criticize them? It might sound absolutist to a unhappy polemic listener but it's the truth. Many Republicans aren't much different than Democrats, especially when they gain some power.

Where exactly is the huge loss? You simply posited it with nothing to back it up with. The fact that liberals are unhappy and bitch about something is proof positive they are on the right track.

Perhaps you don't see the country moving Left. I do, and I'm concerned that we'll kneejerk too far to the Left, helped in no small measure by the fact the alternate is so unappealing.

If you think things are going your way, great.
.

Just out of curiosity, what is it you "fear" from a too far left country? What would "too far left" look like?

Well, that's a fair question, and I can't guarantee that I can adequately answer it. So a few random thoughts:

There are two issues on which I am irreparably opposed to the Democrats: The various issues surrounding PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation; and their shallow, almost simplistic view of business and business economics. So the further we go in those areas, the less thrilled I'm gonna be.

On a spectrum between where we are now and what is viewed as a true Euro-social democracy, I'd say I'm about in the middle. And I'm not a globalist, I don't think the world is anywhere near ready for that.

And, since we're in such a binary, all-or-nothing time in our politics, I'm very concerned that the Alt Right is opening the door, out of pure ineptitude, for a move further to the Left than I'd like.

That all might make zero sense. I can (try to) attempt that again.
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So your "fear" is that we will become "too PC" if we go "too far left"? Being kind and courteous to people is a bridge too far?

I'm quite sure that what I actually said - "PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation" - is significantly, clearly and obviously different from you pretend I said -- that's it's just about being "kind and courteous".

Never mind, I shouldn't have bothered.
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[Seawytch]

Golly, that sounds rather absolutist! LOL.

The establishment guys are not conservatives, that's the whole problem. Why wouldn't a conservative host criticize them? It might sound absolutist to a unhappy polemic listener but it's the truth. Many Republicans aren't much different than Democrats, especially when they gain some power.

Where exactly is the huge loss? You simply posited it with nothing to back it up with. The fact that liberals are unhappy and bitch about something is proof positive they are on the right track.

Perhaps you don't see the country moving Left. I do, and I'm concerned that we'll kneejerk too far to the Left, helped in no small measure by the fact the alternate is so unappealing.

If you think things are going your way, great.
.

Just out of curiosity, what is it you "fear" from a too far left country? What would "too far left" look like?

Well, that's a fair question, and I can't guarantee that I can adequately answer it. So a few random thoughts:

There are two issues on which I am irreparably opposed to the Democrats: The various issues surrounding PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation; and their shallow, almost simplistic view of business and business economics. So the further we go in those areas, the less thrilled I'm gonna be.

On a spectrum between where we are now and what is viewed as a true Euro-social democracy, I'd say I'm about in the middle. And I'm not a globalist, I don't think the world is anywhere near ready for that.

And, since we're in such a binary, all-or-nothing time in our politics, I'm very concerned that the Alt Right is opening the door, out of pure ineptitude, for a move further to the Left than I'd like.

That all might make zero sense. I can (try to) attempt that again.
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So your "fear" is that we will become "too PC" if we go "too far left"? Being kind and courteous to people is a bridge too far?

I'm quite sure that what I actually said - "PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation" - is significantly, clearly and obviously different from you pretend I said -- that's it's just about being "kind and courteous".

Never mind, I shouldn't have bothered.
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Okay, fine it's being kind and courteous and identifying people the way they ask to be identified that is your greatest "fear" if we go "too far left" as a country. Yes, I can see where that might keep someone awake at night.

 

[Mac1958]

Perhaps you don't see the country moving Left. I do, and I'm concerned that we'll kneejerk too far to the Left, helped in no small measure by the fact the alternate is so unappealing.

If you think things are going your way, great.
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Just out of curiosity, what is it you "fear" from a too far left country? What would "too far left" look like?

Well, that's a fair question, and I can't guarantee that I can adequately answer it. So a few random thoughts:

There are two issues on which I am irreparably opposed to the Democrats: The various issues surrounding PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation; and their shallow, almost simplistic view of business and business economics. So the further we go in those areas, the less thrilled I'm gonna be.

On a spectrum between where we are now and what is viewed as a true Euro-social democracy, I'd say I'm about in the middle. And I'm not a globalist, I don't think the world is anywhere near ready for that.

And, since we're in such a binary, all-or-nothing time in our politics, I'm very concerned that the Alt Right is opening the door, out of pure ineptitude, for a move further to the Left than I'd like.

That all might make zero sense. I can (try to) attempt that again.
.

So your "fear" is that we will become "too PC" if we go "too far left"? Being kind and courteous to people is a bridge too far?

I'm quite sure that what I actually said - "PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation" - is significantly, clearly and obviously different from you pretend I said -- that's it's just about being "kind and courteous".

Never mind, I shouldn't have bothered.
.

Okay, fine it's being kind and courteous and identifying people the way they ask to be identified that is your greatest "fear" if we go "too far left" as a country. Yes, I can see where that might keep someone awake at night.

Would you like to point out where I said it is "my greatest fear"?

You can't, of course. And, of course, you continue to dishonestly avoid the specific examples I provided.

Why are people so dishonest?

The thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues on both ends continue to fascinate me. You create your own comfy little worlds with your imaginations. Make stuff up and attack it.
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[SAYIT]

Its amazing what you can do with low information voters

Yeah ... it's remarkable how the Dems - despite the wild times - have kept their sheeple in line.
Perhaps it's a result of the dearth of left wing talk shows!

 

[SAYIT]

Just out of curiosity, what is it you "fear" from a too far left country? What would "too far left" look like?

Well, that's a fair question, and I can't guarantee that I can adequately answer it. So a few random thoughts:

There are two issues on which I am irreparably opposed to the Democrats: The various issues surrounding PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation; and their shallow, almost simplistic view of business and business economics. So the further we go in those areas, the less thrilled I'm gonna be.

On a spectrum between where we are now and what is viewed as a true Euro-social democracy, I'd say I'm about in the middle. And I'm not a globalist, I don't think the world is anywhere near ready for that.

And, since we're in such a binary, all-or-nothing time in our politics, I'm very concerned that the Alt Right is opening the door, out of pure ineptitude, for a move further to the Left than I'd like.

That all might make zero sense. I can (try to) attempt that again.
.

So your "fear" is that we will become "too PC" if we go "too far left"? Being kind and courteous to people is a bridge too far?

I'm quite sure that what I actually said - "PC and Identity Politics, which I feel divide us further, lower standards & expectations for minorities (including my wonderfully mixed-race family) and stifle critical open conversation" - is significantly, clearly and obviously different from you pretend I said -- that's it's just about being "kind and courteous".

Never mind, I shouldn't have bothered.
.

Okay, fine it's being kind and courteous and identifying people the way they ask to be identified that is your greatest "fear" if we go "too far left" as a country. Yes, I can see where that might keep someone awake at night.

Would you like to point out where I said it is "my greatest fear"?

You can't, of course. And, of course, you continue to dishonestly avoid the specific examples I provided.

Why are people so dishonest?

The thought processes of hardcore partisan ideologues on both ends continue to fascinate me. You create your own comfy little worlds with your imaginations. Make stuff up and attack it.
.

As we both know too well, ideologues don't have a truth filter. They do, however, require everyone else to have one.