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I understand your point and do beleive it is a valid one. But the bigger issue is...Yes there was intelligence that they might try this, there was probably also 100 other memos stating 100 other threats that have never seen the light of day. its kind of easy to cherry pick the one that was "right" after the fact, and even then it said that there was some type of attack happening.
There was never a letter saying, you know, sometime in september 2011 they will fly a bunch of planes into NY and Washington, and maybe we should have some jets in the air right now.
Look back at Pearl Harbor for the last part. A supposedly dullard adversary got an entire fleet withing 150 miles of our biggest base in the Pacific, and got away scott clean. Sometimes the other side gets lucky.
Had left.The NDAA 2012 took any due process American citizens had.
Another shitbag liberal crashes and burns.
I understand your point and do beleive it is a valid one. But the bigger issue is...Yes there was intelligence that they might try this, there was probably also 100 other memos stating 100 other threats that have never seen the light of day. its kind of easy to cherry pick the one that was "right" after the fact, and even then it said that there was some type of attack happening.
There was never a letter saying, you know, sometime in september 2011 they will fly a bunch of planes into NY and Washington, and maybe we should have some jets in the air right now.
Look back at Pearl Harbor for the last part. A supposedly dullard adversary got an entire fleet withing 150 miles of our biggest base in the Pacific, and got away scott clean. Sometimes the other side gets lucky.
Is 9/11 more important to this country than the Constitution?
Because there is no getting around the fact that Padilla was denied his Constitutional rights for 2 years. And if it could happen to him, it can happen to any citizen.
It's codified in the Patriot Act, Military Commission's Act and the NDAA.Link to this supposed doctrine? Or admit you made it up.
It just happened to a former vet this past week for comments he made on Facebook!Actually because it happened to him, it probably wont happen to another citizen, because the government got slapped down by the courts. The system worked, it took too long, but it worked.
We are too used to TV and Movies, where all conflicts are resolved in a matter of hours. Real due process takes time, and people will get hurt. In the end the correction to the system is what matters.
This is independent of if padilla was an asshat or not. had he been 100% innocent he could have sued the crap out of the government and probably won. In the end he actually was a terrorist asshole, so the government got lucky.
I love it when you fuckers do your little drive by shootings.Another shitbag liberal crashes and burns.
Oh, it exists. And it exists for this country.Right-wing patriotism might be insane.
But the thing about left-wing patriotism is, it doesn't exist.
I always get a kick out of lunatics on the right calling someone "anti-American", when I look at the things they support, like Constitutional rights.
Here is the rights' version of what Constitutional rights are:
Is this what many of them consider American values? It must be, because anytime someone voices their criticism of these policies, they're attacked for being anti-American.<b>The governments indefinite detention policy If you are an enemy combatant or a threat to national security, we will detain you indefinitely until the war is overSee how that works?</b>
It is a perpetual war, which will never be over
Neither you or your lawyers have a right to see the evidence against you, nor to face your accusers
But trust us, we know you are an enemy combatant and a threat to national security
We may torture you (and try to cover up the fact that you were tortured), because you are an enemy combatant, and so basic rights of a prisoner guaranteed by the Geneva Convention dont apply to you
Since you admitted that youre a bad guy (while trying to tell us whatever you think we want to hear to make the torture stop), it proves that we should hold you in indefinite detention
My God, you people are fuckin' nuts and not anywhere close to what an American believes!
I always get a kick out of lunatics on the right calling someone "anti-American", when I look at the things they support, like Constitutional rights.
Here is the rights' version of what Constitutional rights are:
Is this what many of them consider American values? It must be, because anytime someone voices their criticism of these policies, they're attacked for being anti-American.The governments indefinite detention policy
If you are an enemy combatant or a threat to national security, we will detain you indefinitely until the war is overSee how that works?
It is a perpetual war, which will never be over
Neither you or your lawyers have a right to see the evidence against you, nor to face your accusers
But trust us, we know you are an enemy combatant and a threat to national security
We may torture you (and try to cover up the fact that you were tortured), because you are an enemy combatant, and so basic rights of a prisoner guaranteed by the Geneva Convention dont apply to you
Since you admitted that youre a bad guy (while trying to tell us whatever you think we want to hear to make the torture stop), it proves that we should hold you in indefinite detention
My God, you people are fuckin' nuts and not anywhere close to what an American believes!
Only if you are not an American Citizen. If you are a Citizen you get full due process. If you are not a citizen and not part of a national army or follow the rules for insurgents, you are an unlawful combatant and your ass is grass.
I love it when you fuckers do your little drive by shootings.Another shitbag liberal crashes and burns.
Because I know, that's all you got!
That's just your lipstick on a pig, nothing more.In reality - a concept of which you are, apparently, unfamiliar - it's because you're not worth the ammo.
And here's another drive by shooting in order to attach a label to the thread that he is unable to explain its relevence.Straw man troll thread. Go back to your dive bar, soupy.
If you're referring to Judge Forrest's decision, it's too soon to make that call. We still need to go through the appeals process and eventually to a SCOTUS decision.Actually because it happened to him, it probably wont happen to another citizen, because the government got slapped down by the courts. The system worked, it took too long, but it worked.
I will say our system of government has the unique feature of correcting itself when it gets off-track. But a lot of that is dependant on a well-informed republic and we're far from that.We are too used to TV and Movies, where all conflicts are resolved in a matter of hours. Real due process takes time, and people will get hurt. In the end the correction to the system is what matters.
I've never claimed that he was a good guy, just a citizen.This is independent of if padilla was an asshat or not. had he been 100% innocent he could have sued the crap out of the government and probably won. In the end he actually was a terrorist asshole, so the government got lucky.
Temporarily. Judge Forrest's decision needs to go through the appeals process. So the jury is still out on that one.Didn't Obama sign the NDAA? Wasn't the part of that law that you are crying about struck down in court?
The NDAA includes US citizens in its detention policy which is codified in section 1021.Incorrect.
Non-citizens, including those undocumented or detained terrorism suspects, are entitled to habeas and due process rights. See: Plyler v. Doe (1982), Boumediene v. Bush (2008)
Section 1021 entitled AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE allows for the President (whoever that may be) to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force to detain covered persons pending disposition under the law of war.
A covered person, according to the edicts malleable lingo, is any person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks or, who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
You -do- know that not everyone held by the US government has the right to trial, right?I always get a kick out of lunatics on the right calling someone "anti-American", when I look at the things they support, like Constitutional rights.
Bush will be blamed for everything he is responsible for. There is no statute of limitations on personal accountability.How long can you blame it on Bush? Don't look now loinboy but the radical left is in power. Why not ask Hussein Obama about it?
Obama's not a leftist and he's not a liberal. His foreign policy is still the neocon agenda. GITMO never closed. The wars didn't end. No one was prosecuted for war crimes. And warrantless wiretapping has been expanded. Our Constitution is still being shit on. We've been stripped of our civil rights. And anyone of us can be murdered by a drone strike if the despot in Washington so decides.
If you support that shit, fuck you!
Nice try. It seems you're the one who's trying to spin this into a conspiracy theory. Why can't you just accept what I said at face value, instead of making up your own version of it?I get it, you think Barry Hussein Obama is part of a right wing conspiracy. Maybe you should seek professional help, tenderloin.
