The Humanitarian Gaza Flotillas Saga

[flacaltenn]

Figured that was your position. I'm sure we (USA) don't have any right to contain other countries that pose a threat to our security either..

Do Gazans have a right to defend themselves against Israeli occupation?

They have a right to organize a legitimate representation so that responsible countries and parties can negotiate in good faith.. Right NOW --- there is no functioning Palestinian government. It's all gone backwards since the Hamas purge. Progress was made when Israel pulled out of Gaza. That was because of the highly regarded folks in the PA coming to a bargaining table. This "reverse Zionism" plan that you seem to favor just aint ever gonna improve a single Palestinian life. There are plenty of "founding fathers" ready to step up for the Palestinians, but there's no hope of progress with an Iranian Terrorist proxy calling the shots.

You don't "defend yourself" against an occupation gone badly.. You ORGANIZE and debate and plan and impress the world with your good intentions..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..

Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gaza Seaport
Construction of a seaport can commence. The GoI will undertake to assure donors that it will not interfere with operation of the port. The parties will establish a U.S.-led tripartite committee to develop security and other relevant arrangements for the port prior to its opening. The 3rd party model to be used at Rafah will provide the basis for this work.

Airport

The parties agree on the importance of the airport. Discussions will continue on the issues of security arrangements, construction, and operation.

- See more at: Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..​

How so?

Just told you PF.. They chose a terrorist organization to represent them. A choice that they should KNOW would end the chances of having unfettered seaports and airports.. Are you not following this??? THEY CHOSE NOT to value those things when they elected Hamas and shut down the democratic process of the PA...

PA barely exists today because of that decision...
You should ACCEPT their choices..

How did a democratic election shut down the democratic process of the PA?

You are really not getting this are you? It's easy.. Israel withdrew from Gaza and a process started to give control to the PA -- INCLUDING (as I posted) the right to a port and commerce and trade. Was ready to talk about reopening the Airport. Discussing connections between West Bank and Gaza thru Israel. In other words -- a MEANINGFUL peace process. Negotiated almost fully with a PA VOID of Hamas.

Gaza is opened up --- and elections come. The people of Gaza (mainly) TOSSED the peace process and the port and the airport DOWN THE TUBES and choose Hamas as most of their leadership. Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections -- the people SHOULD HAVE KNOWN the consequences. That's what an informed democratic electorate does. Thus --- THEY CHOSE militantcy, division of the PA and crapped on the economic future of Gaza --- INSTEAD of a port and an airport. Or access to Egypt. Or any number of GOOD things that might have happened.. Was THEIR decision -- THEIR values and YOU need to live with their decision.

That WAS no democratic election.. That "election" KILLED the PA as a functional representational govt. As witnessed by the LACK of any meaningful NEW elections or a functioning Congress. THERE IS NO representative govt for Palestine anymore because of their actions.. The terrorists are in charge.

When elect folks who literally kill each other over political control and never offer FUTURE elections, that's a lot more lot a coup.

Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections

You need to read up.

 

[Hossfly]

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..

Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gaza Seaport
Construction of a seaport can commence. The GoI will undertake to assure donors that it will not interfere with operation of the port. The parties will establish a U.S.-led tripartite committee to develop security and other relevant arrangements for the port prior to its opening. The 3rd party model to be used at Rafah will provide the basis for this work.

Airport

The parties agree on the importance of the airport. Discussions will continue on the issues of security arrangements, construction, and operation.

- See more at: Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..​

How so?

Just told you PF.. They chose a terrorist organization to represent them. A choice that they should KNOW would end the chances of having unfettered seaports and airports.. Are you not following this??? THEY CHOSE NOT to value those things when they elected Hamas and shut down the democratic process of the PA...

PA barely exists today because of that decision...
You should ACCEPT their choices..

How did a democratic election shut down the democratic process of the PA?

You are really not getting this are you? It's easy.. Israel withdrew from Gaza and a process started to give control to the PA -- INCLUDING (as I posted) the right to a port and commerce and trade. Was ready to talk about reopening the Airport. Discussing connections between West Bank and Gaza thru Israel. In other words -- a MEANINGFUL peace process. Negotiated almost fully with a PA VOID of Hamas.

Gaza is opened up --- and elections come. The people of Gaza (mainly) TOSSED the peace process and the port and the airport DOWN THE TUBES and choose Hamas as most of their leadership. Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections -- the people SHOULD HAVE KNOWN the consequences. That's what an informed democratic electorate does. Thus --- THEY CHOSE militantcy, division of the PA and crapped on the economic future of Gaza --- INSTEAD of a port and an airport. Or access to Egypt. Or any number of GOOD things that might have happened.. Was THEIR decision -- THEIR values and YOU need to live with their decision.

That WAS no democratic election.. That "election" KILLED the PA as a functional representational govt. As witnessed by the LACK of any meaningful NEW elections or a functioning Congress. THERE IS NO representative govt for Palestine anymore because of their actions.. The terrorists are in charge.

When elect folks who literally kill each other over political control and never offer FUTURE elections, that's a lot more lot a coup.

Gaza is opened up

No it wasn't.

Hamas stopped suicide bombing and offered Israel a long term truce.

I don't understand your bad mouth about Hamas. You aren't making any sense.

Hamas. Has. Weapons. - Lay. Them. Down.

 

[flacaltenn]

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..

Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gaza Seaport
Construction of a seaport can commence. The GoI will undertake to assure donors that it will not interfere with operation of the port. The parties will establish a U.S.-led tripartite committee to develop security and other relevant arrangements for the port prior to its opening. The 3rd party model to be used at Rafah will provide the basis for this work.

Airport

The parties agree on the importance of the airport. Discussions will continue on the issues of security arrangements, construction, and operation.

- See more at: Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..​

How so?

Just told you PF.. They chose a terrorist organization to represent them. A choice that they should KNOW would end the chances of having unfettered seaports and airports.. Are you not following this??? THEY CHOSE NOT to value those things when they elected Hamas and shut down the democratic process of the PA...

PA barely exists today because of that decision...
You should ACCEPT their choices..

How did a democratic election shut down the democratic process of the PA?

You are really not getting this are you? It's easy.. Israel withdrew from Gaza and a process started to give control to the PA -- INCLUDING (as I posted) the right to a port and commerce and trade. Was ready to talk about reopening the Airport. Discussing connections between West Bank and Gaza thru Israel. In other words -- a MEANINGFUL peace process. Negotiated almost fully with a PA VOID of Hamas.

Gaza is opened up --- and elections come. The people of Gaza (mainly) TOSSED the peace process and the port and the airport DOWN THE TUBES and choose Hamas as most of their leadership. Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections -- the people SHOULD HAVE KNOWN the consequences. That's what an informed democratic electorate does. Thus --- THEY CHOSE militantcy, division of the PA and crapped on the economic future of Gaza --- INSTEAD of a port and an airport. Or access to Egypt. Or any number of GOOD things that might have happened.. Was THEIR decision -- THEIR values and YOU need to live with their decision.

That WAS no democratic election.. That "election" KILLED the PA as a functional representational govt. As witnessed by the LACK of any meaningful NEW elections or a functioning Congress. THERE IS NO representative govt for Palestine anymore because of their actions.. The terrorists are in charge.

When elect folks who literally kill each other over political control and never offer FUTURE elections, that's a lot more lot a coup.

Gaza is opened up

No it wasn't.

Hamas stopped suicide bombing and offered Israel a long term truce.

I don't understand your bad mouth about Hamas. You aren't making any sense.

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

 

[Roudy]

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..

Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gaza Seaport
Construction of a seaport can commence. The GoI will undertake to assure donors that it will not interfere with operation of the port. The parties will establish a U.S.-led tripartite committee to develop security and other relevant arrangements for the port prior to its opening. The 3rd party model to be used at Rafah will provide the basis for this work.

Airport

The parties agree on the importance of the airport. Discussions will continue on the issues of security arrangements, construction, and operation.

- See more at: Agreement on Access and Movement AAM Agreed Principles for Rafah Crossing - Text Non-UN document 15 November 2005

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..​

How so?

Just told you PF.. They chose a terrorist organization to represent them. A choice that they should KNOW would end the chances of having unfettered seaports and airports.. Are you not following this??? THEY CHOSE NOT to value those things when they elected Hamas and shut down the democratic process of the PA...

PA barely exists today because of that decision...
You should ACCEPT their choices..

How did a democratic election shut down the democratic process of the PA?

You are really not getting this are you? It's easy.. Israel withdrew from Gaza and a process started to give control to the PA -- INCLUDING (as I posted) the right to a port and commerce and trade. Was ready to talk about reopening the Airport. Discussing connections between West Bank and Gaza thru Israel. In other words -- a MEANINGFUL peace process. Negotiated almost fully with a PA VOID of Hamas.

Gaza is opened up --- and elections come. The people of Gaza (mainly) TOSSED the peace process and the port and the airport DOWN THE TUBES and choose Hamas as most of their leadership. Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections -- the people SHOULD HAVE KNOWN the consequences. That's what an informed democratic electorate does. Thus --- THEY CHOSE militantcy, division of the PA and crapped on the economic future of Gaza --- INSTEAD of a port and an airport. Or access to Egypt. Or any number of GOOD things that might have happened.. Was THEIR decision -- THEIR values and YOU need to live with their decision.

That WAS no democratic election.. That "election" KILLED the PA as a functional representational govt. As witnessed by the LACK of any meaningful NEW elections or a functioning Congress. THERE IS NO representative govt for Palestine anymore because of their actions.. The terrorists are in charge.

When elect folks who literally kill each other over political control and never offer FUTURE elections, that's a lot more lot a coup.

Gaza is opened up

No it wasn't.

Hamas stopped suicide bombing and offered Israel a long term truce.

I don't understand your bad mouth about Hamas. You aren't making any sense.

Meh, if it's not suicide bombing, the animals are shooting rockets into Israel, if they aren't shooting rockets they're building intricate terror tunnels to try to massacre as many Jews as they can. All with money and equipment given to them as "aid". Savages will be savages. There is only one way to deal with it, crush them.

 

[Roudy]

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..​

How so?

Just told you PF.. They chose a terrorist organization to represent them. A choice that they should KNOW would end the chances of having unfettered seaports and airports.. Are you not following this??? THEY CHOSE NOT to value those things when they elected Hamas and shut down the democratic process of the PA...

PA barely exists today because of that decision...
You should ACCEPT their choices..

How did a democratic election shut down the democratic process of the PA?

You are really not getting this are you? It's easy.. Israel withdrew from Gaza and a process started to give control to the PA -- INCLUDING (as I posted) the right to a port and commerce and trade. Was ready to talk about reopening the Airport. Discussing connections between West Bank and Gaza thru Israel. In other words -- a MEANINGFUL peace process. Negotiated almost fully with a PA VOID of Hamas.

Gaza is opened up --- and elections come. The people of Gaza (mainly) TOSSED the peace process and the port and the airport DOWN THE TUBES and choose Hamas as most of their leadership. Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections -- the people SHOULD HAVE KNOWN the consequences. That's what an informed democratic electorate does. Thus --- THEY CHOSE militantcy, division of the PA and crapped on the economic future of Gaza --- INSTEAD of a port and an airport. Or access to Egypt. Or any number of GOOD things that might have happened.. Was THEIR decision -- THEIR values and YOU need to live with their decision.

That WAS no democratic election.. That "election" KILLED the PA as a functional representational govt. As witnessed by the LACK of any meaningful NEW elections or a functioning Congress. THERE IS NO representative govt for Palestine anymore because of their actions.. The terrorists are in charge.

When elect folks who literally kill each other over political control and never offer FUTURE elections, that's a lot more lot a coup.

Gaza is opened up

No it wasn't.

Hamas stopped suicide bombing and offered Israel a long term truce.

I don't understand your bad mouth about Hamas. You aren't making any sense.

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and a few Arab nations have declared Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. I wonder what took them so long?

 

[montelatici]

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..​

How so?

Just told you PF.. They chose a terrorist organization to represent them. A choice that they should KNOW would end the chances of having unfettered seaports and airports.. Are you not following this??? THEY CHOSE NOT to value those things when they elected Hamas and shut down the democratic process of the PA...

PA barely exists today because of that decision...
You should ACCEPT their choices..

How did a democratic election shut down the democratic process of the PA?

You are really not getting this are you? It's easy.. Israel withdrew from Gaza and a process started to give control to the PA -- INCLUDING (as I posted) the right to a port and commerce and trade. Was ready to talk about reopening the Airport. Discussing connections between West Bank and Gaza thru Israel. In other words -- a MEANINGFUL peace process. Negotiated almost fully with a PA VOID of Hamas.

Gaza is opened up --- and elections come. The people of Gaza (mainly) TOSSED the peace process and the port and the airport DOWN THE TUBES and choose Hamas as most of their leadership. Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections -- the people SHOULD HAVE KNOWN the consequences. That's what an informed democratic electorate does. Thus --- THEY CHOSE militantcy, division of the PA and crapped on the economic future of Gaza --- INSTEAD of a port and an airport. Or access to Egypt. Or any number of GOOD things that might have happened.. Was THEIR decision -- THEIR values and YOU need to live with their decision.

That WAS no democratic election.. That "election" KILLED the PA as a functional representational govt. As witnessed by the LACK of any meaningful NEW elections or a functioning Congress. THERE IS NO representative govt for Palestine anymore because of their actions.. The terrorists are in charge.

When elect folks who literally kill each other over political control and never offer FUTURE elections, that's a lot more lot a coup.

Gaza is opened up

No it wasn't.

Hamas stopped suicide bombing and offered Israel a long term truce.

I don't understand your bad mouth about Hamas. You aren't making any sense.

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

Only military dictatorships funded by the U.S. have blockaded Rafa, only two. The only democratically elected administration did not. It was not "several" administrations" just two military dictatorships. Why do you just make things up?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gazans made the choice in 2005 to junk this peace process..​

How so?

Just told you PF.. They chose a terrorist organization to represent them. A choice that they should KNOW would end the chances of having unfettered seaports and airports.. Are you not following this??? THEY CHOSE NOT to value those things when they elected Hamas and shut down the democratic process of the PA...

PA barely exists today because of that decision...
You should ACCEPT their choices..

How did a democratic election shut down the democratic process of the PA?

You are really not getting this are you? It's easy.. Israel withdrew from Gaza and a process started to give control to the PA -- INCLUDING (as I posted) the right to a port and commerce and trade. Was ready to talk about reopening the Airport. Discussing connections between West Bank and Gaza thru Israel. In other words -- a MEANINGFUL peace process. Negotiated almost fully with a PA VOID of Hamas.

Gaza is opened up --- and elections come. The people of Gaza (mainly) TOSSED the peace process and the port and the airport DOWN THE TUBES and choose Hamas as most of their leadership. Fighting ensues, the PA is irretrievably fractured.. At the time Hamas won elections -- the people SHOULD HAVE KNOWN the consequences. That's what an informed democratic electorate does. Thus --- THEY CHOSE militantcy, division of the PA and crapped on the economic future of Gaza --- INSTEAD of a port and an airport. Or access to Egypt. Or any number of GOOD things that might have happened.. Was THEIR decision -- THEIR values and YOU need to live with their decision.

That WAS no democratic election.. That "election" KILLED the PA as a functional representational govt. As witnessed by the LACK of any meaningful NEW elections or a functioning Congress. THERE IS NO representative govt for Palestine anymore because of their actions.. The terrorists are in charge.

When elect folks who literally kill each other over political control and never offer FUTURE elections, that's a lot more lot a coup.

Gaza is opened up

No it wasn't.

Hamas stopped suicide bombing and offered Israel a long term truce.

I don't understand your bad mouth about Hamas. You aren't making any sense.

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

Not to mention dirtbags elected in Israel and some other countries.

 

[Billo_Really]

They have a right to organize a legitimate representation so that responsible countries and parties can negotiate in good faith.. Right NOW --- there is no functioning Palestinian government. It's all gone backwards since the Hamas purge. Progress was made when Israel pulled out of Gaza. That was because of the highly regarded folks in the PA coming to a bargaining table. This "reverse Zionism" plan that you seem to favor just aint ever gonna improve a single Palestinian life. There are plenty of "founding fathers" ready to step up for the Palestinians, but there's no hope of progress with an Iranian Terrorist proxy calling the shots.

You don't "defend yourself" against an occupation gone badly.. You ORGANIZE and debate and plan and impress the world with your good intentions..

Is that what Polish citizens should've done when the Nazis invaded their country? Is that what the Jews should've done in the Warsaw Ghetto? So what you're saying is the Palestinian's have no right to defend themselves?

You are one sick puppy!

 

[Billo_Really]

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

If you wanna go that route, then the Likud Party is a terrorist organization. Because their roots are in Irgun, which was a Jewish terrorist group.

 

[flacaltenn]

They have a right to organize a legitimate representation so that responsible countries and parties can negotiate in good faith.. Right NOW --- there is no functioning Palestinian government. It's all gone backwards since the Hamas purge. Progress was made when Israel pulled out of Gaza. That was because of the highly regarded folks in the PA coming to a bargaining table. This "reverse Zionism" plan that you seem to favor just aint ever gonna improve a single Palestinian life. There are plenty of "founding fathers" ready to step up for the Palestinians, but there's no hope of progress with an Iranian Terrorist proxy calling the shots.

You don't "defend yourself" against an occupation gone badly.. You ORGANIZE and debate and plan and impress the world with your good intentions..

Is that what Polish citizens should've done when the Nazis invaded their country? Is that what the Jews should've done in the Warsaw Ghetto? So what you're saying is the Palestinian's have no right to defend themselves?

You are one sick puppy!

They are not effective at defending themselves BECAUSE they lack leadership and vision for peace and prosperity. They are reacting in the same manner as the Native Americans did. Instead of learning the way that modern nations form and develop and coexist, they simply uselessly expend lives in "demonstrations" of force.

The Poles were utterly defeated and occupied. They didn't NEED organization because 1/2 the world was attempting to bring down the Nazis. Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto resisted bravely because they were not a nation with diplomatic recognition and national resources. And they were not asking to be a recognized nation..

Palestinians ARE a doomed displaced people if they don't start thinking more like a nation and less like 16th Century goat herders who have a land beef.

 

[flacaltenn]

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

If you wanna go that route, then the Likud Party is a terrorist organization. Because their roots are in Irgun, which was a Jewish terrorist group.

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Don't blame Israel or me for the decisions that Palestinians made to reject a seaport and airport in favor of Intifada.

 

[Billo_Really]

They are not effective at defending themselves BECAUSE they lack leadership and vision for peace and prosperity. They are reacting in the same manner as the Native Americans did. Instead of learning the way that modern nations form and develop and coexist, they simply uselessly expend lives in "demonstrations" of force.

The Poles were utterly defeated and occupied. They didn't NEED organization because 1/2 the world was attempting to bring down the Nazis. Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto resisted bravely because they were not a nation with diplomatic recognition and national resources. And they were not asking to be a recognized nation..

Palestinians ARE a doomed displaced people if they don't start thinking more like a nation and less like 16th Century goat herders who have a land beef.

They did start thinking like a modern nation when Hamas and Fatah agreed on a unity government. Israel attacked.

If the Pals are the ones preventing peace, then why is it Israel always breaking the ceasefires?

 

[Billo_Really]

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Don't go there. Israel is funding ISIL and providing material support to that terrorist group.

Don't blame Israel or me for the decisions that Palestinians made to reject a seaport and airport in favor of Intifada.

They didn't reject a seaport or airport. It's not Israel's decision to make.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

If you wanna go that route, then the Likud Party is a terrorist organization. Because their roots are in Irgun, which was a Jewish terrorist group.

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Don't blame Israel or me for the decisions that Palestinians made to reject a seaport and airport in favor of Intifada.

Abbas is the only one who can determine that. Only the president can call elections. His term in office expired in January 2009.

The procedure laid out in the constitution is for the speaker of parliament to temporarily assume the office of president and call election within 60 days.

Abbas, with his US armed, paid, and trained security forces will not allow that to happen.

 

[theliq]

Point is -- Plans and CONSTRUCTION of both an airport and a seaport for the Gazans were in the works....

The people of Gaza did not VALUE those things.. They supported Hamas. Their Loss.. NOT my problem...

Opened in 1998. Bombed in 2000.

Let a terrorist organization have an airport to launch its attacks from, why not?

What the Zionists..they do already

 

[Roudy]

If you ask me they aren't killing enough terrorist scumbags. I am waiting for the Israelis to take the gloves off and stop fighting with one hand behind their backs.

 

[flacaltenn]

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

If you wanna go that route, then the Likud Party is a terrorist organization. Because their roots are in Irgun, which was a Jewish terrorist group.

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Don't go there. Israel is funding ISIL and providing material support to that terrorist group.

Don't blame Israel or me for the decisions that Palestinians made to reject a seaport and airport in favor of Intifada.

They didn't reject a seaport or airport. It's not Israel's decision to make.

Of COURSE they rejected a seaport and an airport and international trade in general when the Gazans packed the PA with Hamas members. They KNEW the world wasn't gonna allow Hamas to have a base of operations in the Gaza. It was not important to them when they cast their vote. ALL those good things that were poised to happen EVAPORATED because NOBODY will negotiate or recognize Hamas or trust Hamas. In the same way they knew that those things COULD be delivered if the earlier version of the PA continued to negotiate in good faith with Israel..

You folks didnt' vote. You need to accept that's what's the Palis decided they wanted. THERE IS NOBODY to negotiate with. The PA is virtually defunct because of that choice. There will be no more voting... You don't GET THAT ??

They KNEW Egypt would close the crossing. And they knew not many countries in the world would be upset if Israel and Egypt put sanctions on the regime. But they MADE that decision. And that was the LAST DECISION they were able to make democratically..

Israel funding ISIL --- that's rich...

 

[flacaltenn]

Tell me why Egypt under several administrations has blockaded the Raffa Gate. Tell me why Jordan has banned Hamas. Why is Hamas listed as a terrorist organization by even Canada?

If you elect leadership like that --- do you think there are no international consequences??

If you wanna go that route, then the Likud Party is a terrorist organization. Because their roots are in Irgun, which was a Jewish terrorist group.

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Don't blame Israel or me for the decisions that Palestinians made to reject a seaport and airport in favor of Intifada.

Abbas is the only one who can determine that. Only the president can call elections. His term in office expired in January 2009.

The procedure laid out in the constitution is for the speaker of parliament to temporarily assume the office of president and call election within 60 days.

Abbas, with his US armed, paid, and trained security forces will not allow that to happen.

Man you have an answer to everything and it's always MY fault or secret Zionist societies or Abbas being a "tool" of the US. Abbas is the closest thing the Palestinians ever had to a Founding Father and a world class statesman and you shove him in front of the bus because you can't deal with the truth of why there is no more Palestinian government. Or elections. Or Voting. Or Seaports or airports..

With friends like you -- Palestinian statehood of any type is a doomed cause..

 

[Roudy]

Irgun is not currently recognized as a terrorist organization. Your Hamas heroes (according to Egypt today) are assisting ISIL in trying to destabilize the Sinai... TODAY matters.. Just like this topic.. TRADE and ECONOMIES matter. Time for the Palestinians to choose again. WHEN is the next election scheduled for????

Don't go there. Israel is funding ISIL and providing material support to that terrorist group.

Don't blame Israel or me for the decisions that Palestinians made to reject a seaport and airport in favor of Intifada.

They didn't reject a seaport or airport. It's not Israel's decision to make.

^^^^^^
This is what happens when you mix drugs with alcohol. You blabber nonsense like "Israel is funding ISIL".