The Great Kansas (Libertarianism) Tea Party Disaster

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The races in this state are the only ones that i'm following right now. Want Roberts & Brownback to be given pink slips

 

[Treeshepherd]

Libertarianism=

no corporate welfare

live and let live

individual responsibility

small government (including military)

no One Nation Under Surveillance

etc..

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Rolling Stone magazine lefty propaganda and a bunch of dupes applauding.
Look no further than this obama administration's economically stifling energy policy if you want answers to reasons for economic hardships.
And repubs already on the gov dole wanting a more fiscally involved state government? Oh my, how profound!

Yet another zero substance post from the RW that cannot refute the OP.

Speak for yourself. I was very pointed and specific and you weren't. This is a hatchet job aimed at libertarianism and tea party ideals though neither has anything to do with the outcome. They are made out to be the culprits because RS and all of their lefty ilk are threatened by them

 

[Contumacious]

Go fuck yourself.

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Apparently you don't like to be handed your ass on a platter? Epic Fail.....

The poster is premature at best. Since no one has handed my ass on a platter.

No one has shown me that Kansas Theocratic Conservatives decided to vote Libertarian - a party which favors the decriminalization of drugs, abortions and which does not support warmongering.

So , you are the one who banged his head on the hurdle.

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You responded to my post where I said I didn't see much difference between Libertarian and Tea Party. You said I needed to do more research and you posted some link and article that didn't counter what I said, in fact it had no relevance to what I said. So, yes, you've been handed your ass on a platter because you still haven't disproven what I said but instead have rattled on about what is happening in Kansas.

So, unless you can disprove what I said, and provide a link/article defending your position, don't tell me to do more research. Apparently you are a Libertarian that doesn't know much about your party.


Many people on the left still dismiss the tea party as the same old religious right, but the evidence says they are wrong. The tea party has strong libertarian roots and is a functionally lib- ertarian influence on the Republican Party.

Compiling data from local and national polls, as well as dozens of original interviews with tea party members and leaders, we find that the tea party is united on economic issues, but split on the social issues it tends to avoid. Roughly half the tea party is socially conserva- tive, half libertarian—or, fiscally conservative, but socially moderate to liberal.
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA705.pdf

Listen closely,dildo,

If someone claims that they agree with us on the gold standard and taxation issues but disagree that marihuana should be decriminalized then they are NOT a Libertarian.


We do not support freedom only when is convenient. Either you support freedom across the board or you are not a Libertarian.

Its as simple as that.


Now well, if the XYZ party begins a petition to abolish the "income tax" we would support that effort. Not because we are members of the XYZ Party but because the "income"tax should be abolished by any means necessary.

But it sounds as though you have an agenda to ignore the facts


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Listen closely, immature idiot. If someone claims to be Libertarian and votes Republican they are not Libertarians. I have provided you with links and articles that support what I have said. So, half of your fucking party is obviously not Libertarian, but just claims to be Libertarian. I suspect you are not a true Libertarian if when push comes to shove you vote Republican.

So, idiot, if the Republican party begins a petition to abolish income tax, you claim you will support that and vote Republican? Why don't you have a Libertarian candidate that supports that so you can vote for your own party? Because you are not a Libertarian, but a flip-flopper, who uses the "Libertarian" label to hide when the Republican party totally loses, like in the 2012 election and Romney was handed his ass on a platter. Then all of a sudden you and others became Libertarians.

OK, cum breath, Let's look at the 2012 election. 1, 275 951 Americans voted Libertarians , including your truly, even though we knew that Gary Johnson's chances of getting elected president was nil to none. Americans have the right to vote for a candidate for whatever reasons that individual believe are appropriate.

Presidential ticket	Party	Ballot access[81]	% of voters seeing name on ballot	Votes
Obama / Biden	Democratic	50+DC	100%	65,915,796
Romney / Ryan	Republican	50+DC	100%	60,933,500
Johnson / Gray	Libertarian	48+ DC	95.1%	1,275,951
Stein / Honkala	Green	36 + DC	83.1%	469,628
Goode / Clymer	Constitution	26	49.9%	122,388
Anderson / Rodriguez	Justice	15	28.1%	43,018
Lindsay / Osorio	Socialism & Liberation	13	28.6%	7,791

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Derideo_Te]

I've not seen much difference between Libertarians and modern day Tea Party conservatives.

Shut the fuck up. Research before you post. Unless your intention is character assassination.


Let's see how Libertarians view the Koch/Brownback alliance.


Beltway Libertarian Money Men

Thomas DiLorenzo

Charles Koch and Steve Forbes have long been major funders of the Beltway libertarian crowd. So who are they supporting for president? Koch is just wild about Sam Brownback, while Forbes is a Giuliani supporter. A Christo-fascist and an ordinary, run-of-the-mill fascist, in other words. These phony baloney “libertarians” apparently never heard of Ron Paul (who one Cato nerd once stupidly dismissed as being “too white and too middle class”).

Maybe you should do some research yourself. Your link/source doesn't counter what I said.

Our data show that libertarians have generally voted Republican—66 percent for Ronald Reagan in 1980, 74 percent for George H. W. Bush in 1988, and 72 percent for George W. Bush in 2000.
The Libertarian Vote Cato Institute

the broadly defined libertarian vote (folks interested in reducing the size, spending, and scope of government) has tended to vote for Republican candidates, ostensibly because of the GOP's limited-government rhetoric. Depending on the definition,

upwards of seven out of 10 libertarian-leaning voters go Republican in presidential races.
Study Who will Libertarians Vote for President in 2012

Here is part of my research, from the same article:


"But for those on the trail of the elusive swing voter, the real news is 2004. The libertarian vote for Bush dropped from 72 to 59 percent, while the libertarian vote for the Democratic nominee almost doubled. It’s not hard to imagine why. Libertarians didn’t like Bush’s record on excessive federal spending, expansion of entitlements, the federal marriage amendment, government spying, and the war in Iraq. Kerry didn’t offer libertarians much except that he was not Bush, but he still narrowed the Republican majority among libertarians from 52 points to 21 points.


Unfortunately , Libertarians are forced to vote for THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS - while admitting that BOTH candidates will do severe damage to our nation , we must then concluded which one will do less damage.

And so it fucking goes.

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Libertarians voted for Governor Brownback. Just do the math.

22% of Americans self identify as Libertarians.

Poll 22 percent of Americans lean libertarian - The Washington Post

The poll also shows libertarians identify much more with the GOP (43 percent) than with the Democratic Party (5 percent), but half identify with neither party.

So if we look at the election results for Brownback compared to the Libertarian candidate this is what we find;

Sam Brownback - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

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Only 2.7% voted for the Libertarian candidate. That means that remaining 19.3% voted for someone else and since only 5% identify with Dems that means the overwhelming majority of Libertarians voted for Brownback.

Hardly surprising since he was campaigning as a Tea Party Libertarian with the backing of the Koch Brothers.

You own this economic disaster in KS even though you lack the honesty and integrity to admit it.

Excuse me fart blossom,

explain clearly and succinctly how Koch convince the Kansas Taliban to vote Libertarian?

Explain the reason neither the Libertarian Party website, nor the Libertarian bloggosphere make any mention of a "Libertarian" victory.

Only derideo-the parasite has made the connection.

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You are unable to refute a single fact regarding the math.

You are unable to refute that your Libertarian economics are a complete and utter failure when given the ideal conditions of the red home state of the Koch brothers.

All you have are pathetic deflections and vulgarities.

Libertarianism is a an epic failure in reality and that probably describes you too.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Go fuck yourself.

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Apparently you don't like to be handed your ass on a platter? Epic Fail.....

The poster is premature at best. Since no one has handed my ass on a platter.

No one has shown me that Kansas Theocratic Conservatives decided to vote Libertarian - a party which favors the decriminalization of drugs, abortions and which does not support warmongering.

So , you are the one who banged his head on the hurdle.

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You responded to my post where I said I didn't see much difference between Libertarian and Tea Party. You said I needed to do more research and you posted some link and article that didn't counter what I said, in fact it had no relevance to what I said. So, yes, you've been handed your ass on a platter because you still haven't disproven what I said but instead have rattled on about what is happening in Kansas.

So, unless you can disprove what I said, and provide a link/article defending your position, don't tell me to do more research. Apparently you are a Libertarian that doesn't know much about your party.


Many people on the left still dismiss the tea party as the same old religious right, but the evidence says they are wrong. The tea party has strong libertarian roots and is a functionally lib- ertarian influence on the Republican Party.

Compiling data from local and national polls, as well as dozens of original interviews with tea party members and leaders, we find that the tea party is united on economic issues, but split on the social issues it tends to avoid. Roughly half the tea party is socially conserva- tive, half libertarian—or, fiscally conservative, but socially moderate to liberal.
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA705.pdf

Listen closely,dildo,

If someone claims that they agree with us on the gold standard and taxation issues but disagree that marihuana should be decriminalized then they are NOT a Libertarian.


We do not support freedom only when is convenient. Either you support freedom across the board or you are not a Libertarian.

Its as simple as that.


Now well, if the XYZ party begins a petition to abolish the "income tax" we would support that effort. Not because we are members of the XYZ Party but because the "income"tax should be abolished by any means necessary.

But it sounds as though you have an agenda to ignore the facts


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You made a claim that you are a "Libertarian". The OP exposes the failure of your Libertarian policies in reality. You have not been able to defend those failed economic polices. All you have done is post irrelevant insults.

In essence you have just proven that there is no defense for the failure of Libertarianism in practice.

 

[Statistikhengst]

OK, cum breath, Let's look at the 2012 election. 1, 275 951 Americans voted Libertarians , including your truly, even though we knew that Gary Johnson's chances of getting elected president was nil to none. Americans have the right to vote for a candidate for whatever reasons that individual believe are appropriate.

Presidential ticket	Party	Ballot access[81]	% of voters seeing name on ballot	Votes
Obama / Biden	Democratic	50+DC	100%	65,915,796
Romney / Ryan	Republican	50+DC	100%	60,933,500
Johnson / Gray	Libertarian	48+ DC	95.1%	1,275,951
Stein / Honkala	Green	36 + DC	83.1%	469,628
Goode / Clymer	Constitution	26	49.9%	122,388
Anderson / Rodriguez	Justice	15	28.1%	43,018
Lindsay / Osorio	Socialism & Liberation	13	28.6%	7,791

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

What is this with Righties and strange sexual references when they get all up in tethers?
I wonder if they think that this is a bona fide debating tactic. Really, it's childish.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I've not seen much difference between Libertarians and modern day Tea Party conservatives.

Shut the fuck up. Research before you post. Unless your intention is character assassination.


Let's see how Libertarians view the Koch/Brownback alliance.


Beltway Libertarian Money Men

Thomas DiLorenzo

Charles Koch and Steve Forbes have long been major funders of the Beltway libertarian crowd. So who are they supporting for president? Koch is just wild about Sam Brownback, while Forbes is a Giuliani supporter. A Christo-fascist and an ordinary, run-of-the-mill fascist, in other words. These phony baloney “libertarians” apparently never heard of Ron Paul (who one Cato nerd once stupidly dismissed as being “too white and too middle class”).

Maybe you should do some research yourself. Your link/source doesn't counter what I said.

Our data show that libertarians have generally voted Republican—66 percent for Ronald Reagan in 1980, 74 percent for George H. W. Bush in 1988, and 72 percent for George W. Bush in 2000.
The Libertarian Vote Cato Institute

the broadly defined libertarian vote (folks interested in reducing the size, spending, and scope of government) has tended to vote for Republican candidates, ostensibly because of the GOP's limited-government rhetoric. Depending on the definition,

upwards of seven out of 10 libertarian-leaning voters go Republican in presidential races.
Study Who will Libertarians Vote for President in 2012

Here is part of my research, from the same article:


"But for those on the trail of the elusive swing voter, the real news is 2004. The libertarian vote for Bush dropped from 72 to 59 percent, while the libertarian vote for the Democratic nominee almost doubled. It’s not hard to imagine why. Libertarians didn’t like Bush’s record on excessive federal spending, expansion of entitlements, the federal marriage amendment, government spying, and the war in Iraq. Kerry didn’t offer libertarians much except that he was not Bush, but he still narrowed the Republican majority among libertarians from 52 points to 21 points.


Unfortunately , Libertarians are forced to vote for THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS - while admitting that BOTH candidates will do severe damage to our nation , we must then concluded which one will do less damage.

And so it fucking goes.

.

Libertarians voted for Governor Brownback. Just do the math.

22% of Americans self identify as Libertarians.

Poll 22 percent of Americans lean libertarian - The Washington Post

The poll also shows libertarians identify much more with the GOP (43 percent) than with the Democratic Party (5 percent), but half identify with neither party.

So if we look at the election results for Brownback compared to the Libertarian candidate this is what we find;

Sam Brownback - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

View attachment 33334

Only 2.7% voted for the Libertarian candidate. That means that remaining 19.3% voted for someone else and since only 5% identify with Dems that means the overwhelming majority of Libertarians voted for Brownback.

Hardly surprising since he was campaigning as a Tea Party Libertarian with the backing of the Koch Brothers.

You own this economic disaster in KS even though you lack the honesty and integrity to admit it.

It's really kind of funny.

Once Mitt Romney got his pasting in 2012, I saw many conservatives on a number of boards who were suddenly not willing to say that they were Republicans, they started bloviating all over the place about how they were actually Libertarians.....


....kind of funny.

Amusing to say the least. Of course none of them are willing to admit that being a Libertarian is actually worse than being a Republican.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Shut the fuck up. Research before you post. Unless your intention is character assassination.


Let's see how Libertarians view the Koch/Brownback alliance.


Beltway Libertarian Money Men

Thomas DiLorenzo

Charles Koch and Steve Forbes have long been major funders of the Beltway libertarian crowd. So who are they supporting for president? Koch is just wild about Sam Brownback, while Forbes is a Giuliani supporter. A Christo-fascist and an ordinary, run-of-the-mill fascist, in other words. These phony baloney “libertarians” apparently never heard of Ron Paul (who one Cato nerd once stupidly dismissed as being “too white and too middle class”).

Maybe you should do some research yourself. Your link/source doesn't counter what I said.

Our data show that libertarians have generally voted Republican—66 percent for Ronald Reagan in 1980, 74 percent for George H. W. Bush in 1988, and 72 percent for George W. Bush in 2000.
The Libertarian Vote Cato Institute

the broadly defined libertarian vote (folks interested in reducing the size, spending, and scope of government) has tended to vote for Republican candidates, ostensibly because of the GOP's limited-government rhetoric. Depending on the definition,

upwards of seven out of 10 libertarian-leaning voters go Republican in presidential races.
Study Who will Libertarians Vote for President in 2012

Here is part of my research, from the same article:


"But for those on the trail of the elusive swing voter, the real news is 2004. The libertarian vote for Bush dropped from 72 to 59 percent, while the libertarian vote for the Democratic nominee almost doubled. It’s not hard to imagine why. Libertarians didn’t like Bush’s record on excessive federal spending, expansion of entitlements, the federal marriage amendment, government spying, and the war in Iraq. Kerry didn’t offer libertarians much except that he was not Bush, but he still narrowed the Republican majority among libertarians from 52 points to 21 points.


Unfortunately , Libertarians are forced to vote for THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS - while admitting that BOTH candidates will do severe damage to our nation , we must then concluded which one will do less damage.

And so it fucking goes.

.

Libertarians voted for Governor Brownback. Just do the math.

22% of Americans self identify as Libertarians.

Poll 22 percent of Americans lean libertarian - The Washington Post

The poll also shows libertarians identify much more with the GOP (43 percent) than with the Democratic Party (5 percent), but half identify with neither party.

So if we look at the election results for Brownback compared to the Libertarian candidate this is what we find;

Sam Brownback - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

View attachment 33334

Only 2.7% voted for the Libertarian candidate. That means that remaining 19.3% voted for someone else and since only 5% identify with Dems that means the overwhelming majority of Libertarians voted for Brownback.

Hardly surprising since he was campaigning as a Tea Party Libertarian with the backing of the Koch Brothers.

You own this economic disaster in KS even though you lack the honesty and integrity to admit it.

It's really kind of funny.

Once Mitt Romney got his pasting in 2012, I saw many conservatives on a number of boards who were suddenly not willing to say that they were Republicans, they started bloviating all over the place about how they were actually Libertarians.....


....kind of funny.

Amusing to say the least. Of course none of them are willing to admit that being a Libertarian is actually worse than being a Republican.

Perchance because maybe many of them don't really know what the word "Libertarianism" means.....?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Rolling Stone magazine lefty propaganda and a bunch of dupes applauding.
Look no further than this obama administration's economically stifling energy policy if you want answers to reasons for economic hardships.
And repubs already on the gov dole wanting a more fiscally involved state government? Oh my, how profound!

Yet another zero substance post from the RW that cannot refute the OP.

Speak for yourself. I was very pointed and specific and you weren't. This is a hatchet job aimed at libertarianism and tea party ideals though neither has anything to do with the outcome. They are made out to be the culprits because RS and all of their lefty ilk are threatened by them

You failed to refute any of the facts in the OP. Instead you just posted an ad hom partisan rant with zero substance.

 

[Derideo_Te]

OK, cum breath, Let's look at the 2012 election. 1, 275 951 Americans voted Libertarians , including your truly, even though we knew that Gary Johnson's chances of getting elected president was nil to none. Americans have the right to vote for a candidate for whatever reasons that individual believe are appropriate.

Presidential ticket	Party	Ballot access[81]	% of voters seeing name on ballot	Votes
Obama / Biden	Democratic	50+DC	100%	65,915,796
Romney / Ryan	Republican	50+DC	100%	60,933,500
Johnson / Gray	Libertarian	48+ DC	95.1%	1,275,951
Stein / Honkala	Green	36 + DC	83.1%	469,628
Goode / Clymer	Constitution	26	49.9%	122,388
Anderson / Rodriguez	Justice	15	28.1%	43,018
Lindsay / Osorio	Socialism & Liberation	13	28.6%	7,791

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

What is this with Righties and strange sexual references when they get all up in tethers?
I wonder if they think that this is a bona fide debating tactic. Really, it's childish.

It exposes their inability to come up with rational defensible reasons for why they call themselves Libertarians. In every single debate that I have had with Libertarians none of them can defend their beliefs because they are unworkable in reality.

The hard undeniable truth about Libertarianism is that it is nothing more than a fairy take fantasy ideal of how the world would be if everyone was a child who played nicely with others.

In the real world it is an unmitigated disaster that KS is reeling from right now.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Maybe you should do some research yourself. Your link/source doesn't counter what I said.

Our data show that libertarians have generally voted Republican—66 percent for Ronald Reagan in 1980, 74 percent for George H. W. Bush in 1988, and 72 percent for George W. Bush in 2000.
The Libertarian Vote Cato Institute

the broadly defined libertarian vote (folks interested in reducing the size, spending, and scope of government) has tended to vote for Republican candidates, ostensibly because of the GOP's limited-government rhetoric. Depending on the definition,

upwards of seven out of 10 libertarian-leaning voters go Republican in presidential races.
Study Who will Libertarians Vote for President in 2012

Here is part of my research, from the same article:


"But for those on the trail of the elusive swing voter, the real news is 2004. The libertarian vote for Bush dropped from 72 to 59 percent, while the libertarian vote for the Democratic nominee almost doubled. It’s not hard to imagine why. Libertarians didn’t like Bush’s record on excessive federal spending, expansion of entitlements, the federal marriage amendment, government spying, and the war in Iraq. Kerry didn’t offer libertarians much except that he was not Bush, but he still narrowed the Republican majority among libertarians from 52 points to 21 points.


Unfortunately , Libertarians are forced to vote for THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS - while admitting that BOTH candidates will do severe damage to our nation , we must then concluded which one will do less damage.

And so it fucking goes.

.

Libertarians voted for Governor Brownback. Just do the math.

22% of Americans self identify as Libertarians.

Poll 22 percent of Americans lean libertarian - The Washington Post

The poll also shows libertarians identify much more with the GOP (43 percent) than with the Democratic Party (5 percent), but half identify with neither party.

So if we look at the election results for Brownback compared to the Libertarian candidate this is what we find;

Sam Brownback - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

View attachment 33334

Only 2.7% voted for the Libertarian candidate. That means that remaining 19.3% voted for someone else and since only 5% identify with Dems that means the overwhelming majority of Libertarians voted for Brownback.

Hardly surprising since he was campaigning as a Tea Party Libertarian with the backing of the Koch Brothers.

You own this economic disaster in KS even though you lack the honesty and integrity to admit it.

It's really kind of funny.

Once Mitt Romney got his pasting in 2012, I saw many conservatives on a number of boards who were suddenly not willing to say that they were Republicans, they started bloviating all over the place about how they were actually Libertarians.....


....kind of funny.

Amusing to say the least. Of course none of them are willing to admit that being a Libertarian is actually worse than being a Republican.

Perchance because maybe many of them don't really know what the word "Libertarianism" means.....?

I suspect that the vast majority of them lack the cognitive skills to think how it would be in reality.

 

[Statistikhengst]

OK, cum breath, Let's look at the 2012 election. 1, 275 951 Americans voted Libertarians , including your truly, even though we knew that Gary Johnson's chances of getting elected president was nil to none. Americans have the right to vote for a candidate for whatever reasons that individual believe are appropriate.

Presidential ticket	Party	Ballot access[81]	% of voters seeing name on ballot	Votes
Obama / Biden	Democratic	50+DC	100%	65,915,796
Romney / Ryan	Republican	50+DC	100%	60,933,500
Johnson / Gray	Libertarian	48+ DC	95.1%	1,275,951
Stein / Honkala	Green	36 + DC	83.1%	469,628
Goode / Clymer	Constitution	26	49.9%	122,388
Anderson / Rodriguez	Justice	15	28.1%	43,018
Lindsay / Osorio	Socialism & Liberation	13	28.6%	7,791

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

What is this with Righties and strange sexual references when they get all up in tethers?
I wonder if they think that this is a bona fide debating tactic. Really, it's childish.

It exposes their inability to come up with rational defensible reasons for why they call themselves Libertarians. In every single debate that I have had with Libertarians none of them can defend their beliefs because they are unworkable in reality.

The hard undeniable truth about Libertarianism is that it is nothing more than a fairy take fantasy ideal of how the world would be if everyone was a child who played nicely with others.

In the real world it is an unmitigated disaster that KS is reeling from right now.

In other words, Kansas gives us a good view of what a "Libertarian Islands" would look like, only a little bit more civilized.

Libertarian Island A billionaire s utopia - The Week

For Libertarian Utopia Float Away on Startup Nation - Bloomberg

Seasteading - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Treeshepherd]

Government and individual billionaires tend to have a relationship of codependency. The billionaire utopia is already in effect, today, in the current paradigm, where the choice between donkey and elephant is mostly cosmetic.

Point #2 is this; at the core of libertarian philosophy is a faith in the inherent goodness of man. Call it a fairy tale if you like, but I've seen it shine through in every natural disaster I've witnessed... Neighbors helping neighbors.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Government and individual billionaires tend to have a relationship of codependency. The billionaire utopia is already in effect, today, in the current paradigm, where the choice between donkey and elephant is mostly cosmetic.

Point #2 is this; at the core of libertarian philosophy is a faith in the inherent goodness of man. Call it a fairy tale if you like, but I've seen it shine through in every natural disaster I've witnessed... Neighbors helping neighbors.

Nope! Humanitarian concern for those unfortunate enough to be caught in natural disasters is just empathy and compassion. That exists in all political parties. Libertarians don't own a copyright on empathy and compassion.

 

[Treeshepherd]

Right, I never suggested that one group or another has a monopoly on compassion. I said that libertarians have faith in the efficacy of that compassion, and faith that most of the time if given the chance the majority of people will make good choices for themselves.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Right, I never suggested that one group or another has a monopoly on compassion. I said that libertarians have faith in the efficacy of that compassion, and faith that most of the time if given the chance the majority of people will make good choices for themselves.

You fallaciously attempted to cloak Libertarianism as being a "faith in the inherent goodness of man" and used natural disasters as "evidence".

Now you are backpedaling because your allegation was proven to be based upon a fallacious attempt to disparage other political parties.

So unless you can prove that the Republican and Democratic parties are NOT based upon the concept that the "majority of people will make good choices for themselves" you have nothing but a feeble attempt to usurp the best attributes of the American people for your own partisan purposes.

 

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Treeshepherd That would explain why libertarian business only serve who they want to serve

 

[Statistikhengst]

Treeshepherd That would explain why libertarian business only serve who they want to serve

LOL.

to be very serious, I think there is a small part in all of us that is Libertarian now and then. We want to do want we want, however we want to do it, and fuck everyone else, if they die, oh, well.

But then we wake up and realize that life does not work that way, that we are adults and have a duty to a fair and just society. Plus, compassion commands that we not act out these base instincts, since we left our caves 1,000s of years ago. This is the part that the Birchers of the world never get to: waking up.

 

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Roberts (R) & Brownback (R) are the top two races I'm watching this cycle