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If it is to survive, should not rest in the hands of Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin, but in the hands of governors like this:
John Huntsman
Charlie Crist
Both are moderate conservatives.
The Republican party does not have to go away from a traditional conservative base to survive... We/They do not have to go farther to the middle as the DEM's drift farther to the left... They need to remain in the firm core conservative values and not to fall into the same mistakes they made in recent history (turning out to be more like DEMs in huge spending and reckless governance)
I think there are places for moderates.. and communities that will embrace and want them... but they must be a counter balance to the ones that are TOO far right, and not the controlling faction of the party... wingers and centrists are parts (and important parts) of the party, but should not be leading the party
I got this email from Barbara Boxer:
More than 1000 conservative activists gathered in Sacramento last weekend for the California Republican Party Convention, plotting how to organize to win in 2010. Their solution? To tack to the right and become even less mainstream.
Indeed, at a time when Americans are urging their elected officials to work together, these 1000 activists and their leaders have transformed their party into the "Party of NO": NO to a budget agreement for California. NO to President Obama's economic recovery act that will create millions of jobs and get the economy moving again.
And these are the same 1000 right-wing activists who will nominate Barbara Boxer's opponent in 2010. Do we want the "Party of NO" to take away this Senate seat next fall? There's just one answer for that: NO!
Conservatism and reactionaryism are choices the GOP has to make. [/quite}
ROFLMNAO... Reactionary-ism... We can be sure that Diur is not remotely Conservative, yet she's here REACTING even while she runs to define Conservatives as Reactionaries...
Kinda crazy, huh?
Diuretic said:If they want to appeal to moderates...
Well THERE's your problem Diur... Americans aren't interested in appealing to anyone... FUCK YOU and the Dick ya rode in on... We are who we are and if you want to follow us, FINE... get in line.
For those who want to stop us... you're setting yourself up for a wicked fall and yeah... it's gonna hurt, A LOT!
Conservatism and reactionaryism are choices the GOP has to make.
If they want to appeal to moderates they will take a conservative line on social policy rather than the reactionaryism that their CPAC conference seems to be urging.
On economic policy I think they've been squeezed by the Dems. It's got to the point almost everywhere (except a few holdouts) where market economies rule and it's just a question of management of the economy rather than any ideological approach. GOP supporters need to drop the fantasy of Obama being a socialist. It's deluded. They'd be much better of focusing on the effective management of the economy by the administration rather than leaping up and down about some sort of fantasy that will not become reality.
Limbaugh and Coulter have to cease being the voice of the Republican Party. They don't care about the Party, they only care about themselves. They're salespeople, selling their image, appealing to base instinct to make money. That's fine, let them, but why the GOP is allowing these faux extremists to be their public face is beyond me. The moderates that have to be engaged for the GOP to get back into government are not convinced that Limbaugh and Coulter have any answers to difficult questions.
Ditch the reactionarysim. Forget the Reagan myth. Get back to Burkean conservatism.
Good summary and good direction. As I grow older, I see myself becoming more conservative and perhaps one day leaning more towards the GOP than Demos but if the party is going to allow Coulter and Limbaugh to call the shots they will lose every time. They are hate mongers who have become very wealthy selling their swill to the right wing masses. I honestly don't want the GOP to disappear but as I consider it, they are surely committing suicide. Voting demographics in this country are not the same as they were when Reagon won.
It seems that the stance that Rush and Coulter have taken is, "Agree with us and we will win together or don't agree with us and just go away." Wait, I think that it the GOP platform...sorry.
If it is to survive, should not rest in the hands of Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin, but in the hands of governors like this:
John Huntsman
Charlie Crist
Both are moderate conservatives.
Don't worry. The American people are really dumb, so the Republicans will be back.
But don't expect it to happen short of a catastrophe, because the Republicans have lost a generation. No one 18-25 is Republican.
And you can not say the youth don't vote. That is no longer true.
The Republican party does not have to go away from a traditional conservative base to survive... We/They do not have to go farther to the middle as the DEM's drift farther to the left... They need to remain in the firm core conservative values and not to fall into the same mistakes they made in recent history (turning out to be more like DEMs in huge spending and reckless governance)
I think there are places for moderates.. and communities that will embrace and want them... but they must be a counter balance to the ones that are TOO far right, and not the controlling faction of the party... wingers and centrists are parts (and important parts) of the party, but should not be leading the party
heres your problem.
Obama gave a speech the other day outlining his plans for the country, 80% of Aemricans approved fo the speech.
Right is fringe.
It is NOT about 'catering to the lunatic fringe'.... it is about sticking on core conservative values and not making the mistakes that many did in the recent past.... it is not about shunning the far right people nor the extremely moderate REP's either... but it is also not running more left because the DEMs in control are going extremist left
There are more moderates and centrists in this country than there are conservatives and/or liberals. Pretending that the arch-conservatives should be the tail wagging the dog is what lost McCain the election.
p.s. I didn't miss the part where you wanted to treat the moderates like pets, pat us on the head and hope we'll go your way because we don't buy into what the left is selling, while offering us nothing. I just dismissed the idea that the moderates are outnumbered by conservatives in the party. If they were, obama would not have won.
It's that simple. YOU CANNOT WIN WITHOUT US. WE CAN WIN WITHOUT YOU.
Nixon was not a conservative, in fact, he was very liberal in his polices.What firm core Conservative values? Republicans haven't even had a Conservative candidate for President since what? Nixon?
Nixon was a strange mix of conservative and moderate values... it's an interesting read on things he actually created, supported, etc
But once again we have the extreme liberal robert, and his absolute blind hatred of Reagan... so much so that he can not even come CLOSE to realizing that Reagan's core values were very conservative.... granted he made mistakes along the way and was not the 'God' that many far right wingers put him up to be, but he was indeed a conservative president and IMHO the best President in the past 50 years, bar none
Conservatism and reactionaryism are choices the GOP has to make.
If they want to appeal to moderates they will take a conservative line on social policy rather than the reactionaryism that their CPAC conference seems to be urging.
On economic policy I think they've been squeezed by the Dems. It's got to the point almost everywhere (except a few holdouts) where market economies rule and it's just a question of management of the economy rather than any ideological approach. GOP supporters need to drop the fantasy of Obama being a socialist. It's deluded. They'd be much better of focusing on the effective management of the economy by the administration rather than leaping up and down about some sort of fantasy that will not become reality.
Limbaugh and Coulter have to cease being the voice of the Republican Party. They don't care about the Party, they only care about themselves. They're salespeople, selling their image, appealing to base instinct to make money. That's fine, let them, but why the GOP is allowing these faux extremists to be their public face is beyond me. The moderates that have to be engaged for the GOP to get back into government are not convinced that Limbaugh and Coulter have any answers to difficult questions.
Ditch the reactionarysim. Forget the Reagan myth. Get back to Burkean conservatism.
Good summary and good direction. As I grow older, I see myself becoming more conservative and perhaps one day leaning more towards the GOP than Demos but if the party is going to allow Coulter and Limbaugh to call the shots they will lose every time. They are hate mongers who have become very wealthy selling their swill to the right wing masses. I honestly don't want the GOP to disappear but as I consider it, they are surely committing suicide. Voting demographics in this country are not the same as they were when Reagon won.
It seems that the stance that Rush and Coulter have taken is, "Agree with us and we will win together or don't agree with us and just go away." Wait, I think that it the GOP platform...sorry.
no one 18 to 25 is ever a republican you douchebag.
That won't be true in the future when Michael Steele and the GOP try their new hip hop image.
They've already got the treatment of women down pat, along with all that wealth.
All they need now is giant clocks and we'll call em M.Cs.
M.C Palin and M.C Jindal are going for the nomination in 2012. But watch out, Romney the one and only mormon M.C has beef with that and will call them out for a war on the east side, west side, and all sides.
And don't forget Jebby Jazzy Bush who wants to continue the Bush family legacy and finish the job that OG Dubya started.
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Jeb has a shot. seriously. don't forget what Churchill said.
Jeb has a shot. seriously. don't forget what Churchill said.
Your right:
I was.
This?
Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains - Winston Churchill
Though seriously, I understand what you're saying. The sad part is that 60% of Republicans actually would give another Bush a shot. You'd figure Bush 41 AND 43 were bad enough for this country.
Reminds me of the Who song:
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Jeb would get the republicans. Obama the dems. It's the people in the middle that he would have to convince.
If, as has been predicted by many economist, the economy begins to revive late in 2009, the GOP is in even bigger trouble. They have been the obstructionist is the package Obama has advanced. The electorate will remember that. The centrist will remember that.
While they needed to suffer for 8 years, the Democrats should drop to their knees and thank W for bring near total ruin to the Republican party.
If Rush is now the face of the Republican party, then he should run in 2010! I am suRe lots of the far right would vote for him. But remember that there will be lots of questioons for him to answer, such as, why he used prescription drugs illegally. GO RUSH!
Why would they make an issue out of that,when the could care less that Oblah blah used illegal drugs and paid a male prostitute for sex. GO Obama!
Paid a male prostitute for sex?
Yep...the same one he did drugs with in the back of his limo.
You're saying Republicans put women on a pedestal and believe they are actually incapable of being public figures? Sexist, much?no one 18 to 25 is ever a republican you douchebag.
That won't be true in the future when Michael Steele and the GOP try their new hip hop image.
They've already got the treatment of women down pat, along with all that wealth.
All they need now is giant clocks and we'll call em M.Cs.
M.C Palin and M.C Jindal are going for the nomination in 2012. But watch out, Romney the one and only mormon M.C has beef with that and will call them out for a war on the east side, west side, and all sides.
And don't forget Jebby Jazzy Bush who wants to continue the Bush family legacy and finish the job that OG Dubya started.
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Uh the dems are the kings of treating women like crap....Just ask Hillary Clinton and Sara Palin how the libs in the media,and the Obots treated them. They are also highly racist,while pointing the fingers at everyone else..cuz you see they are also lying hypocrites on top of everything else.
Conservatives will always be around as the antagonists to progress, they have done that since the first progressive caveman moved out of the cave. Their core idea have failed since Reagan: reduced taxes and trickle down failed, less government regulation failed, sink or swim social and economic darwinism has failed, the only thing left for them is revise reality to fit some ideological fantasy and to say no to change. I am glad to see them out of power, as the pain their policies caused working people, since Reagan, has been real.
A Short History of Conservative Obstruction to Progress | Conceptual Guerilla
The Republican party does not have to go away from a traditional conservative base to survive... We/They do not have to go farther to the middle as the DEM's drift farther to the left... They need to remain in the firm core conservative values and not to fall into the same mistakes they made in recent history (turning out to be more like DEMs in huge spending and reckless governance)
I think there are places for moderates.. and communities that will embrace and want them... but they must be a counter balance to the ones that are TOO far right, and not the controlling faction of the party... wingers and centrists are parts (and important parts) of the party, but should not be leading the party
What firm core Conservative values? Republicans haven't even had a Conservative candidate for President since what? Nixon?
Jeb would get the republicans. Obama the dems. It's the people in the middle that he would have to convince.
If, as has been predicted by many economist, the economy begins to revive late in 2009, the GOP is in even bigger trouble. They have been the obstructionist is the package Obama has advanced. The electorate will remember that. The centrist will remember that.
While they needed to suffer for 8 years, the Democrats should drop to their knees and thank W for bring near total ruin to the Republican party.
All those economists said the economy was fine until the bottom fell out. Very few of them predicted the fallout from the mortgage crisis. Now we are to believe them when they tell us all will be well by the end of 2009? Sorry, but the housing crisis is much deeper than anyone wants to admit, and the effect it is having and will continue to have is going to prevent any real growth for at least five years. Even if we come out of the recession, growth will be under 2% per year.