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In the case of Freddy Gray, when cops didn't follow the rules and he died. At the very least that's gross negligence and warrants a civil trial as a minimum. The larger test is raised by the issue of how much a Black man's life is worth to his peers and to the community at large. Breaking it down: The young Black protestors identify with Gray and they know, given the statistical record, their chance of being in police custody is almost certainly going to occur sooner or later. Many have likely already experienced arrest, some unwarranted, and came away with deep negative feelings towards the police.Hmmm, yeah, the riots have everything to do with it. If it wasn't for the riots we wouldn't even be talking about it. Neither Al Sharpton nor Obumble would have stuck their nose into it.
How can a riot affect the guilt or innocence of an individual?
Didn't a crime either occur or it didn't?
We don't know IF a crime was committed or not.
we haven't heard any evidence, only the prosecutor "talking to the choir" (All is under control, we are going to hang the "Freddy Gray six").
I wanna hear the evidence before I jump to conclusions, unlike you anti-cop liberals who ALWAYS blame the police, UNTIL ALL the evidence comes out, that is.
And THEN we find out the police were innocent of any wrong-doing.
Lesson learned: Criminals resisting arrest could get hurt.
The cops have already ADMITTED negligence through not following their own rules.
Not-following-the-rules does not constitute a crime, a firing offense maybe, but not a crime.
A person has to break a law to constitute a crime.
we'll just have to wait to see IF a crime was committed.
Experience is shared and the simple arithmetic ( Freddy Gray + shared experience) =something must be done since our individual complaints go unheeded.
The formulae reveals grounds on which to establish a violation of human rights. Not those necessarily embedded in a Constitutional framework but those endowed by God to whom all men must bow. Freddy Gray was as much a art of We The People as any US citizen and deserves the martyrdom assumed by a cause and carried by his name!
Are you a grapevine of disinformation or a mutant human bean. whichever you are, the seeds you germinate need to be sprayed to stop the growth before they "mushroom" out of control.Other than race hustlers like you, who claims Freddie's treatment was "prejudicial?" You're just admitting this is about racism when previously you were claiming it wasn't.
Do you think police brutality gets better if isn't racial?
Why isn't it an issue when blacks murder other blacks, EVERY DAY?
???Why is it ONLY an issue when some criminal that is resisting arrest dies with the police around???
When blacks murder other innocent blacks, I guess it is kinda hard to get the criminals to riot and burn the city down, err????
People all over the world kill each other everyday... not just blacks. Look closer at the homicide data and you'll find that Whites kill each other at phenomenal rates too. Where is the outrage about THAT?
The police have invested in them a special power to act as judge, jury and executioner; that power should not be taken lightly. When a suspect dies in custody while handcuffed and presents no threat, there has to be some accountability. Therein lies an egregious breech of justice that eats away at the trust we have in the justice system. Police represent the basic minions of the law and what they do is held to a higher standard in the public eye. And, rightly so. When a police officer "murders" someone (not justifiable under the laws of God) he/she does so under the color of authority. That edge makes the difference between civilians murdering civilians and cops murdering civilians.
We need to feel that those sworn to uphold the law aren't using the law recklessly to kill and maim... regardless of race. That does NOT include justifiable homicide.
Here is just one of many learned opinions that say the state attorney has a mouth that overloads her ass.
Alan Dershowitz Rips Baltimore Attorney For Charges Against Cops, Predicts Acquittal
| May 1 2015 | BRIAN CAREY
Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2015 634 AM by kingattax
Not everybody is happy that the six police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray are being charged with felonies.
One of those people is famous defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who appeared with Steve Malzberg today to slam Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby for playing politics with the lives of those officers.
Specifically, Dershowitz said that “this is a very sad day for justice.” He claimed that Mosby acted to prevent riots rather that in response to the evidence in the case.
He also said that it will be “virtually impossible” for the police officers to get a fair trial.
Dershowitz criticized Mosby for the extent of the charges as well, saying that there is “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder.” He went so far as to say that the state’s attorney might be removed from the case.
Finally, he said that it’s unlikely that the state will get any convictions in this case. And, even if they do get convictions, they will probably lose on appeal.
(Excerpt) Read more at downtrend.com ...
Has Dershowitz seen all the evidence?
Are you a grapevine of disinformation or a mutant human bean. whichever you are, the seeds you germinate need to be sprayed to stop the growth before they "mushroom" out of control.Do you think police brutality gets better if isn't racial?
Why isn't it an issue when blacks murder other blacks, EVERY DAY?
???Why is it ONLY an issue when some criminal that is resisting arrest dies with the police around???
When blacks murder other innocent blacks, I guess it is kinda hard to get the criminals to riot and burn the city down, err????
People all over the world kill each other everyday... not just blacks. Look closer at the homicide data and you'll find that Whites kill each other at phenomenal rates too. Where is the outrage about THAT?
The police have invested in them a special power to act as judge, jury and executioner; that power should not be taken lightly. When a suspect dies in custody while handcuffed and presents no threat, there has to be some accountability. Therein lies an egregious breech of justice that eats away at the trust we have in the justice system. Police represent the basic minions of the law and what they do is held to a higher standard in the public eye. And, rightly so. When a police officer "murders" someone (not justifiable under the laws of God) he/she does so under the color of authority. That edge makes the difference between civilians murdering civilians and cops murdering civilians.
We need to feel that those sworn to uphold the law aren't using the law recklessly to kill and maim... regardless of race. That does NOT include justifiable homicide.
Here is just one of many learned opinions that say the state attorney has a mouth that overloads her ass.
Alan Dershowitz Rips Baltimore Attorney For Charges Against Cops, Predicts Acquittal
| May 1 2015 | BRIAN CAREY
Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2015 6
Not everybody is happy that the six police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray are being charged with felonies.
One of those people is famous defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who appeared with Steve Malzberg today to slam Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby for playing politics with the lives of those officers.
Specifically, Dershowitz said that “this is a very sad day for justice.” He claimed that Mosby acted to prevent riots rather that in response to the evidence in the case.
He also said that it will be “virtually impossible” for the police officers to get a fair trial.
Dershowitz criticized Mosby for the extent of the charges as well, saying that there is “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder.” He went so far as to say that the state’s attorney might be removed from the case.
Finally, he said that it’s unlikely that the state will get any convictions in this case. And, even if they do get convictions, they will probably lose on appeal.
(Excerpt) Read more at downtrend.com ...
Has Dershowitz seen all the evidence?
....... ROTFLMFAO
Have YOU "seen all the evidence"?
Are you even a menber of the Bar?
Are you a grapevine of disinformation or a mutant human bean. whichever you are, the seeds you germinate need to be sprayed to stop the growth before they "mushroom" out of control.Why isn't it an issue when blacks murder other blacks, EVERY DAY?
???Why is it ONLY an issue when some criminal that is resisting arrest dies with the police around???
When blacks murder other innocent blacks, I guess it is kinda hard to get the criminals to riot and burn the city down, err????
People all over the world kill each other everyday... not just blacks. Look closer at the homicide data and you'll find that Whites kill each other at phenomenal rates too. Where is the outrage about THAT?
The police have invested in them a special power to act as judge, jury and executioner; that power should not be taken lightly. When a suspect dies in custody while handcuffed and presents no threat, there has to be some accountability. Therein lies an egregious breech of justice that eats away at the trust we have in the justice system. Police represent the basic minions of the law and what they do is held to a higher standard in the public eye. And, rightly so. When a police officer "murders" someone (not justifiable under the laws of God) he/she does so under the color of authority. That edge makes the difference between civilians murdering civilians and cops murdering civilians.
We need to feel that those sworn to uphold the law aren't using the law recklessly to kill and maim... regardless of race. That does NOT include justifiable homicide.
Here is just one of many learned opinions that say the state attorney has a mouth that overloads her ass.
Alan Dershowitz Rips Baltimore Attorney For Charges Against Cops, Predicts Acquittal
| May 1 2015 | BRIAN CAREY
Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2015 6
Not everybody is happy that the six police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray are being charged with felonies.
One of those people is famous defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who appeared with Steve Malzberg today to slam Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby for playing politics with the lives of those officers.
Specifically, Dershowitz said that “this is a very sad day for justice.” He claimed that Mosby acted to prevent riots rather that in response to the evidence in the case.
He also said that it will be “virtually impossible” for the police officers to get a fair trial.
Dershowitz criticized Mosby for the extent of the charges as well, saying that there is “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder.” He went so far as to say that the state’s attorney might be removed from the case.
Finally, he said that it’s unlikely that the state will get any convictions in this case. And, even if they do get convictions, they will probably lose on appeal.
(Excerpt) Read more at downtrend.com ...
Has Dershowitz seen all the evidence?
....... ROTFLMFAO
Have YOU "seen all the evidence"?
Are you even a menber of the Bar?
Is that a yes or a no?
Earlier you posted this:
"I wanna hear the evidence before I jump to conclusions, unlike you anti-cop liberals who ALWAYS blame the police, UNTIL ALL the evidence comes out, that is."
Now suddenly you're repeating and cheering Dershowitz's jumping to conclusions without seeing the evidence.
You're a phoney partisan asshole. Shame.
In the case of Freddy Gray, when cops didn't follow the rules and he died. At the very least that's gross negligence and warrants a civil trial as a minimum. The larger test is raised by the issue of how much a Black man's life is worth to his peers and to the community at large. Breaking it down: The young Black protestors identify with Gray and they know, given the statistical record, their chance of being in police custody is almost certainly going to occur sooner or later. Many have likely already experienced arrest, some unwarranted, and came away with deep negative feelings towards the police.How can a riot affect the guilt or innocence of an individual?
Didn't a crime either occur or it didn't?
We don't know IF a crime was committed or not.
we haven't heard any evidence, only the prosecutor "talking to the choir" (All is under control, we are going to hang the "Freddy Gray six").
I wanna hear the evidence before I jump to conclusions, unlike you anti-cop liberals who ALWAYS blame the police, UNTIL ALL the evidence comes out, that is.
And THEN we find out the police were innocent of any wrong-doing.
Lesson learned: Criminals resisting arrest could get hurt.
The cops have already ADMITTED negligence through not following their own rules.
Not-following-the-rules does not constitute a crime, a firing offense maybe, but not a crime.
A person has to break a law to constitute a crime.
we'll just have to wait to see IF a crime was committed.
Experience is shared and the simple arithmetic ( Freddy Gray + shared experience) =something must be done since our individual complaints go unheeded.
The formulae reveals grounds on which to establish a violation of human rights. Not those necessarily embedded in a Constitutional framework but those endowed by God to whom all men must bow. Freddy Gray was as much a art of We The People as any US citizen and deserves the martyrdom assumed by a cause and carried by his name!
Freddy Gray could have done a lot to save his own life!
IF he WASN'T a criminal and resisting arrest, he would've lived through the night.
Gee, that is a novel idea, "Don't be a life-long criminal, and don't resist when the cops arrest you for another of your twenty crimes (Crimes he has been arrested for, I wonder what the factor is for crimes he wasn't caught for? ... anyone know?), at the tender age of 25".
"During the late '70s, Biko was arrested four times and detained for several months at a time. In August 1977, he was arrested and held in Port Elizabeth, located at the southern tip of South Africa. The following month, on September 11, Biko was found naked and shackled several miles away, in Pretoria, South Africa. He died the following day, on September 12, 1977, from a brain hemorrhage—later determined to be the result of injuries he had sustained while in police custody. The news of Biko's death caused national outrage and protests, and he became regarded as an international anti-apartheid icon in South Africa.
The police officers who had held Biko were questioned thereafter, but none were charged with any official crimes. However, two decades after Biko's death, in 1997, five former officers confessed killing Biko. The officers reportedly filed applications for amnesty to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission after investigations implicated them in Biko's death, but amnesty was denied in 1999.
The sheer callousness of your response warrants more rebuttal. Robert Gray was arrested because the police thought he had an illegal knife. It wasn't an illegal knife. He had no control over being arrested and, subsequently,could NOT have done a lot to save his life. Stop lying to yourself and everyone else. His criminal past has no bearing on his death at all.In the case of Freddy Gray, when cops didn't follow the rules and he died. At the very least that's gross negligence and warrants a civil trial as a minimum. The larger test is raised by the issue of how much a Black man's life is worth to his peers and to the community at large. Breaking it down: The young Black protestors identify with Gray and they know, given the statistical record, their chance of being in police custody is almost certainly going to occur sooner or later. Many have likely already experienced arrest, some unwarranted, and came away with deep negative feelings towards the police.How can a riot affect the guilt or innocence of an individual?
Didn't a crime either occur or it didn't?
We don't know IF a crime was committed or not.
we haven't heard any evidence, only the prosecutor "talking to the choir" (All is under control, we are going to hang the "Freddy Gray six").
I wanna hear the evidence before I jump to conclusions, unlike you anti-cop liberals who ALWAYS blame the police, UNTIL ALL the evidence comes out, that is.
And THEN we find out the police were innocent of any wrong-doing.
Lesson learned: Criminals resisting arrest could get hurt.
The cops have already ADMITTED negligence through not following their own rules.
Not-following-the-rules does not constitute a crime, a firing offense maybe, but not a crime.
A person has to break a law to constitute a crime.
we'll just have to wait to see IF a crime was committed.
Experience is shared and the simple arithmetic ( Freddy Gray + shared experience) =something must be done since our individual complaints go unheeded.
The formulae reveals grounds on which to establish a violation of human rights. Not those necessarily embedded in a Constitutional framework but those endowed by God to whom all men must bow. Freddy Gray was as much a art of We The People as any US citizen and deserves the martyrdom assumed by a cause and carried by his name!
Freddy Gray could have done a lot to save his own life!
IF he WASN'T a criminal and resisting arrest, he would've lived through the night.
Gee, that is a novel idea, "Don't be a life-long criminal, and don't resist when the cops arrest you for another of your twenty crimes (Crimes he has been arrested for, I wonder what the factor is for crimes he wasn't caught for? ... anyone know?), at the tender age of 25".
Are you a grapevine of disinformation or a mutant human bean. whichever you are, the seeds you germinate need to be sprayed to stop the growth before they "mushroom" out of control.YOU are wrong. The justification for prejudicial treatment of black Americans because of the statitistics on black crime are rampant on this forum.
Not to mention the same prejudice against Muslims.
Other than race hustlers like you, who claims Freddie's treatment was "prejudicial?" You're just admitting this is about racism when previously you were claiming it wasn't.
Do you think police brutality gets better if isn't racial?
Why isn't it an issue when blacks murder other blacks, EVERY DAY?
???Why is it ONLY an issue when some criminal that is resisting arrest dies with the police around???
When blacks murder other innocent blacks, I guess it is kinda hard to get the criminals to riot and burn the city down, err????
People all over the world kill each other everyday... not just blacks. Look closer at the homicide data and you'll find that Whites kill each other at phenomenal rates too. Where is the outrage about THAT?
The police have invested in them a special power to act as judge, jury and executioner; that power should not be taken lightly. When a suspect dies in custody while handcuffed and presents no threat, there has to be some accountability. Therein lies an egregious breech of justice that eats away at the trust we have in the justice system. Police represent the basic minions of the law and what they do is held to a higher standard in the public eye. And, rightly so. When a police officer "murders" someone (not justifiable under the laws of God) he/she does so under the color of authority. That edge makes the difference between civilians murdering civilians and cops murdering civilians.
We need to feel that those sworn to uphold the law aren't using the law recklessly to kill and maim... regardless of race. That does NOT include justifiable homicide.
Here is just one of many learned opinions that say the state attorney has a mouth that overloads her ass.
Alan Dershowitz Rips Baltimore Attorney For Charges Against Cops, Predicts Acquittal
| May 1 2015 | BRIAN CAREY
Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2015 6
Not everybody is happy that the six police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray are being charged with felonies.
One of those people is famous defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who appeared with Steve Malzberg today to slam Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby for playing politics with the lives of those officers.
Specifically, Dershowitz said that “this is a very sad day for justice.” He claimed that Mosby acted to prevent riots rather that in response to the evidence in the case.
He also said that it will be “virtually impossible” for the police officers to get a fair trial.
Dershowitz criticized Mosby for the extent of the charges as well, saying that there is “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder.” He went so far as to say that the state’s attorney might be removed from the case.
Finally, he said that it’s unlikely that the state will get any convictions in this case. And, even if they do get convictions, they will probably lose on appeal.
(Excerpt) Read more at downtrend.com ...
Wasn't originally the main lawyer on the O.J. Simpson team who wanted to plea bargain? Fortunately for Simpson Johnny Cohcran and Melvin Belli overrode him. You take his advise, I'll pass!
Are you a grapevine of disinformation or a mutant human bean. whichever you are, the seeds you germinate need to be sprayed to stop the growth before they "mushroom" out of control.
People all over the world kill each other everyday... not just blacks. Look closer at the homicide data and you'll find that Whites kill each other at phenomenal rates too. Where is the outrage about THAT?
The police have invested in them a special power to act as judge, jury and executioner; that power should not be taken lightly. When a suspect dies in custody while handcuffed and presents no threat, there has to be some accountability. Therein lies an egregious breech of justice that eats away at the trust we have in the justice system. Police represent the basic minions of the law and what they do is held to a higher standard in the public eye. And, rightly so. When a police officer "murders" someone (not justifiable under the laws of God) he/she does so under the color of authority. That edge makes the difference between civilians murdering civilians and cops murdering civilians.
We need to feel that those sworn to uphold the law aren't using the law recklessly to kill and maim... regardless of race. That does NOT include justifiable homicide.
Here is just one of many learned opinions that say the state attorney has a mouth that overloads her ass.
Alan Dershowitz Rips Baltimore Attorney For Charges Against Cops, Predicts Acquittal
| May 1 2015 | BRIAN CAREY
Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2015 6
Not everybody is happy that the six police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray are being charged with felonies.
One of those people is famous defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who appeared with Steve Malzberg today to slam Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby for playing politics with the lives of those officers.
Specifically, Dershowitz said that “this is a very sad day for justice.” He claimed that Mosby acted to prevent riots rather that in response to the evidence in the case.
He also said that it will be “virtually impossible” for the police officers to get a fair trial.
Dershowitz criticized Mosby for the extent of the charges as well, saying that there is “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder.” He went so far as to say that the state’s attorney might be removed from the case.
Finally, he said that it’s unlikely that the state will get any convictions in this case. And, even if they do get convictions, they will probably lose on appeal.
(Excerpt) Read more at downtrend.com ...
Has Dershowitz seen all the evidence?
....... ROTFLMFAO
Have YOU "seen all the evidence"?
Are you even a menber of the Bar?
Is that a yes or a no?
Earlier you posted this:
"I wanna hear the evidence before I jump to conclusions, unlike you anti-cop liberals who ALWAYS blame the police, UNTIL ALL the evidence comes out, that is."
Now suddenly you're repeating and cheering Dershowitz's jumping to conclusions without seeing the evidence.
You're a phoney partisan asshole. Shame.
...... ROTFLMFAO
YOUR the "asshole" that is absolutely positive that the police officers are guilty of killing the criminal.
I just showed you that your "OPINION" is not the law-of-the-land, and there are a lot of learned people that disagree with YOUR "OPINION".
BUT HEY, don't let me interfere with your fantasy.
Are you a grapevine of disinformation or a mutant human bean. whichever you are, the seeds you germinate need to be sprayed to stop the growth before they "mushroom" out of control.Other than race hustlers like you, who claims Freddie's treatment was "prejudicial?" You're just admitting this is about racism when previously you were claiming it wasn't.
Do you think police brutality gets better if isn't racial?
Why isn't it an issue when blacks murder other blacks, EVERY DAY?
???Why is it ONLY an issue when some criminal that is resisting arrest dies with the police around???
When blacks murder other innocent blacks, I guess it is kinda hard to get the criminals to riot and burn the city down, err????
People all over the world kill each other everyday... not just blacks. Look closer at the homicide data and you'll find that Whites kill each other at phenomenal rates too. Where is the outrage about THAT?
The police have invested in them a special power to act as judge, jury and executioner; that power should not be taken lightly. When a suspect dies in custody while handcuffed and presents no threat, there has to be some accountability. Therein lies an egregious breech of justice that eats away at the trust we have in the justice system. Police represent the basic minions of the law and what they do is held to a higher standard in the public eye. And, rightly so. When a police officer "murders" someone (not justifiable under the laws of God) he/she does so under the color of authority. That edge makes the difference between civilians murdering civilians and cops murdering civilians.
We need to feel that those sworn to uphold the law aren't using the law recklessly to kill and maim... regardless of race. That does NOT include justifiable homicide.
Here is just one of many learned opinions that say the state attorney has a mouth that overloads her ass.
Alan Dershowitz Rips Baltimore Attorney For Charges Against Cops, Predicts Acquittal
| May 1 2015 | BRIAN CAREY
Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2015 6
Not everybody is happy that the six police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray are being charged with felonies.
One of those people is famous defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who appeared with Steve Malzberg today to slam Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby for playing politics with the lives of those officers.
Specifically, Dershowitz said that “this is a very sad day for justice.” He claimed that Mosby acted to prevent riots rather that in response to the evidence in the case.
He also said that it will be “virtually impossible” for the police officers to get a fair trial.
Dershowitz criticized Mosby for the extent of the charges as well, saying that there is “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder.” He went so far as to say that the state’s attorney might be removed from the case.
Finally, he said that it’s unlikely that the state will get any convictions in this case. And, even if they do get convictions, they will probably lose on appeal.
(Excerpt) Read more at downtrend.com ...
Alan Dershowitz?
Are you a grapevine of disinformation or a mutant human bean. whichever you are, the seeds you germinate need to be sprayed to stop the growth before they "mushroom" out of control.Why isn't it an issue when blacks murder other blacks, EVERY DAY?
???Why is it ONLY an issue when some criminal that is resisting arrest dies with the police around???
When blacks murder other innocent blacks, I guess it is kinda hard to get the criminals to riot and burn the city down, err????
People all over the world kill each other everyday... not just blacks. Look closer at the homicide data and you'll find that Whites kill each other at phenomenal rates too. Where is the outrage about THAT?
The police have invested in them a special power to act as judge, jury and executioner; that power should not be taken lightly. When a suspect dies in custody while handcuffed and presents no threat, there has to be some accountability. Therein lies an egregious breech of justice that eats away at the trust we have in the justice system. Police represent the basic minions of the law and what they do is held to a higher standard in the public eye. And, rightly so. When a police officer "murders" someone (not justifiable under the laws of God) he/she does so under the color of authority. That edge makes the difference between civilians murdering civilians and cops murdering civilians.
We need to feel that those sworn to uphold the law aren't using the law recklessly to kill and maim... regardless of race. That does NOT include justifiable homicide.
Here is just one of many learned opinions that say the state attorney has a mouth that overloads her ass.
Alan Dershowitz Rips Baltimore Attorney For Charges Against Cops, Predicts Acquittal
| May 1 2015 | BRIAN CAREY
Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2015 6
Not everybody is happy that the six police officers involved in the arrest of Freddie Gray are being charged with felonies.
One of those people is famous defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who appeared with Steve Malzberg today to slam Baltimore state’s attorney Marilyn Mosby for playing politics with the lives of those officers.
Specifically, Dershowitz said that “this is a very sad day for justice.” He claimed that Mosby acted to prevent riots rather that in response to the evidence in the case.
He also said that it will be “virtually impossible” for the police officers to get a fair trial.
Dershowitz criticized Mosby for the extent of the charges as well, saying that there is “no plausible, hypothetical, conceivable case for murder.” He went so far as to say that the state’s attorney might be removed from the case.
Finally, he said that it’s unlikely that the state will get any convictions in this case. And, even if they do get convictions, they will probably lose on appeal.
(Excerpt) Read more at downtrend.com ...
Has Dershowitz seen all the evidence?
....... ROTFLMFAO
Have YOU "seen all the evidence"?
Are you even a menber of the Bar?
Is that a yes or a no?
Earlier you posted this:
"I wanna hear the evidence before I jump to conclusions, unlike you anti-cop liberals who ALWAYS blame the police, UNTIL ALL the evidence comes out, that is."
Now suddenly you're repeating and cheering Dershowitz's jumping to conclusions without seeing the evidence.
You're a phoney partisan asshole. Shame.
In the case of Freddy Gray, when cops didn't follow the rules and he died. At the very least that's gross negligence and warrants a civil trial as a minimum. The larger test is raised by the issue of how much a Black man's life is worth to his peers and to the community at large. Breaking it down: The young Black protestors identify with Gray and they know, given the statistical record, their chance of being in police custody is almost certainly going to occur sooner or later. Many have likely already experienced arrest, some unwarranted, and came away with deep negative feelings towards the police.We don't know IF a crime was committed or not.
we haven't heard any evidence, only the prosecutor "talking to the choir" (All is under control, we are going to hang the "Freddy Gray six").
I wanna hear the evidence before I jump to conclusions, unlike you anti-cop liberals who ALWAYS blame the police, UNTIL ALL the evidence comes out, that is.
And THEN we find out the police were innocent of any wrong-doing.
Lesson learned: Criminals resisting arrest could get hurt.
The cops have already ADMITTED negligence through not following their own rules.
Not-following-the-rules does not constitute a crime, a firing offense maybe, but not a crime.
A person has to break a law to constitute a crime.
we'll just have to wait to see IF a crime was committed.
Experience is shared and the simple arithmetic ( Freddy Gray + shared experience) =something must be done since our individual complaints go unheeded.
The formulae reveals grounds on which to establish a violation of human rights. Not those necessarily embedded in a Constitutional framework but those endowed by God to whom all men must bow. Freddy Gray was as much a art of We The People as any US citizen and deserves the martyrdom assumed by a cause and carried by his name!
Freddy Gray could have done a lot to save his own life!
IF he WASN'T a criminal and resisting arrest, he would've lived through the night.
Gee, that is a novel idea, "Don't be a life-long criminal, and don't resist when the cops arrest you for another of your twenty crimes (Crimes he has been arrested for, I wonder what the factor is for crimes he wasn't caught for? ... anyone know?), at the tender age of 25".
Steven Biko could have done a lot to save his own life too. He was arrested four times; and ,as you are attempting to portray Robert Gray, was an "enemy of the state."
"During the late '70s, Biko was arrested four times and detained for several months at a time. In August 1977, he was arrested and held in Port Elizabeth, located at the southern tip of South Africa. The following month, on September 11, Biko was found naked and shackled several miles away, in Pretoria, South Africa. He died the following day, on September 12, 1977, from a brain hemorrhage—later determined to be the result of injuries he had sustained while in police custody. The news of Biko's death caused national outrage and protests, and he became regarded as an international anti-apartheid icon in South Africa.
The police officers who had held Biko were questioned thereafter, but none were charged with any official crimes. However, two decades after Biko's death, in 1997, five former officers confessed killing Biko. The officers reportedly filed applications for amnesty to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission after investigations implicated them in Biko's death, but amnesty was denied in 1999.
Biko was a martyr, worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Dr. King but the sentiments from people like you were with the policemen who killed him. In memory of people like Biko and others, Freddy Gray has morphed into an icon in protest of police brutality.
In the case of Freddy Gray, when cops didn't follow the rules and he died. At the very least that's gross negligence and warrants a civil trial as a minimum. The larger test is raised by the issue of how much a Black man's life is worth to his peers and to the community at large. Breaking it down: The young Black protestors identify with Gray and they know, given the statistical record, their chance of being in police custody is almost certainly going to occur sooner or later. Many have likely already experienced arrest, some unwarranted, and came away with deep negative feelings towards the police.The cops have already ADMITTED negligence through not following their own rules.
Not-following-the-rules does not constitute a crime, a firing offense maybe, but not a crime.
A person has to break a law to constitute a crime.
we'll just have to wait to see IF a crime was committed.
Experience is shared and the simple arithmetic ( Freddy Gray + shared experience) =something must be done since our individual complaints go unheeded.
The formulae reveals grounds on which to establish a violation of human rights. Not those necessarily embedded in a Constitutional framework but those endowed by God to whom all men must bow. Freddy Gray was as much a art of We The People as any US citizen and deserves the martyrdom assumed by a cause and carried by his name!
Freddy Gray could have done a lot to save his own life!
IF he WASN'T a criminal and resisting arrest, he would've lived through the night.
Gee, that is a novel idea, "Don't be a life-long criminal, and don't resist when the cops arrest you for another of your twenty crimes (Crimes he has been arrested for, I wonder what the factor is for crimes he wasn't caught for? ... anyone know?), at the tender age of 25".
Steven Biko could have done a lot to save his own life too. He was arrested four times; and ,as you are attempting to portray Robert Gray, was an "enemy of the state."
"During the late '70s, Biko was arrested four times and detained for several months at a time. In August 1977, he was arrested and held in Port Elizabeth, located at the southern tip of South Africa. The following month, on September 11, Biko was found naked and shackled several miles away, in Pretoria, South Africa. He died the following day, on September 12, 1977, from a brain hemorrhage—later determined to be the result of injuries he had sustained while in police custody. The news of Biko's death caused national outrage and protests, and he became regarded as an international anti-apartheid icon in South Africa.
The police officers who had held Biko were questioned thereafter, but none were charged with any official crimes. However, two decades after Biko's death, in 1997, five former officers confessed killing Biko. The officers reportedly filed applications for amnesty to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission after investigations implicated them in Biko's death, but amnesty was denied in 1999.
Biko was a martyr, worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Dr. King but the sentiments from people like you were with the policemen who killed him. In memory of people like Biko and others, Freddy Gray has morphed into an icon in protest of police brutality.
Let me see if I got this correct ..................
YOU are comparing Steven Bilco to a career criminal (20 arrests by age 25) like Freddie Gray?????
Freddie Gray was and will always be known as a career criminal that was resisting arrest.
Maybe YOU would want to be compared to a career criminal, but I know I wouldn't want to be compared to a career criminal.
And the guy charged with driving the van and 2nd degree murder is BLACK!!!
So how can there be an issue here???
Facing the most serious charge, one of second-degree murder, is Officer Caesar Goodson, the driver of the van that transported Gray to a police station.
Six Baltimore police officers charged over Freddie Gray death - Yahoo News
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In the case of Freddy Gray, when cops didn't follow the rules and he died. At the very least that's gross negligence and warrants a civil trial as a minimum. The larger test is raised by the issue of how much a Black man's life is worth to his peers and to the community at large. Breaking it down: The young Black protestors identify with Gray and they know, given the statistical record, their chance of being in police custody is almost certainly going to occur sooner or later. Many have likely already experienced arrest, some unwarranted, and came away with deep negative feelings towards the police.Not-following-the-rules does not constitute a crime, a firing offense maybe, but not a crime.
A person has to break a law to constitute a crime.
we'll just have to wait to see IF a crime was committed.
Experience is shared and the simple arithmetic ( Freddy Gray + shared experience) =something must be done since our individual complaints go unheeded.
The formulae reveals grounds on which to establish a violation of human rights. Not those necessarily embedded in a Constitutional framework but those endowed by God to whom all men must bow. Freddy Gray was as much a art of We The People as any US citizen and deserves the martyrdom assumed by a cause and carried by his name!
Freddy Gray could have done a lot to save his own life!
IF he WASN'T a criminal and resisting arrest, he would've lived through the night.
Gee, that is a novel idea, "Don't be a life-long criminal, and don't resist when the cops arrest you for another of your twenty crimes (Crimes he has been arrested for, I wonder what the factor is for crimes he wasn't caught for? ... anyone know?), at the tender age of 25".
Steven Biko could have done a lot to save his own life too. He was arrested four times; and ,as you are attempting to portray Robert Gray, was an "enemy of the state."
"During the late '70s, Biko was arrested four times and detained for several months at a time. In August 1977, he was arrested and held in Port Elizabeth, located at the southern tip of South Africa. The following month, on September 11, Biko was found naked and shackled several miles away, in Pretoria, South Africa. He died the following day, on September 12, 1977, from a brain hemorrhage—later determined to be the result of injuries he had sustained while in police custody. The news of Biko's death caused national outrage and protests, and he became regarded as an international anti-apartheid icon in South Africa.
The police officers who had held Biko were questioned thereafter, but none were charged with any official crimes. However, two decades after Biko's death, in 1997, five former officers confessed killing Biko. The officers reportedly filed applications for amnesty to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission after investigations implicated them in Biko's death, but amnesty was denied in 1999.
Biko was a martyr, worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Dr. King but the sentiments from people like you were with the policemen who killed him. In memory of people like Biko and others, Freddy Gray has morphed into an icon in protest of police brutality.
Let me see if I got this correct ..................
YOU are comparing Steven Bilco to a career criminal (20 arrests by age 25) like Freddie Gray?????
Freddie Gray was and will always be known as a career criminal that was resisting arrest.
Maybe YOU would want to be compared to a career criminal, but I know I wouldn't want to be compared to a career criminal.
The name is Biko not Bilco. My comparison is not of the two individuals but of the attitudes of the police and the general apathy shown by right wingers when a black man dies in custody.
My source indicates Gray was arrested 18 times, mostly for marijuana related offenses.. He was NOT convicted in every case. Some arrests included stacked charges, some of which were dropped. I suppose you could label him a career criminal but does that make his life less valuable than yours or mine in the sight of God? I suspect to you, it does.
In the case of Freddy Gray, when cops didn't follow the rules and he died. At the very least that's gross negligence and warrants a civil trial as a minimum. The larger test is raised by the issue of how much a Black man's life is worth to his peers and to the community at large. Breaking it down: The young Black protestors identify with Gray and they know, given the statistical record, their chance of being in police custody is almost certainly going to occur sooner or later. Many have likely already experienced arrest, some unwarranted, and came away with deep negative feelings towards the police.
Experience is shared and the simple arithmetic ( Freddy Gray + shared experience) =something must be done since our individual complaints go unheeded.
The formulae reveals grounds on which to establish a violation of human rights. Not those necessarily embedded in a Constitutional framework but those endowed by God to whom all men must bow. Freddy Gray was as much a art of We The People as any US citizen and deserves the martyrdom assumed by a cause and carried by his name!
Freddy Gray could have done a lot to save his own life!
IF he WASN'T a criminal and resisting arrest, he would've lived through the night.
Gee, that is a novel idea, "Don't be a life-long criminal, and don't resist when the cops arrest you for another of your twenty crimes (Crimes he has been arrested for, I wonder what the factor is for crimes he wasn't caught for? ... anyone know?), at the tender age of 25".
Steven Biko could have done a lot to save his own life too. He was arrested four times; and ,as you are attempting to portray Robert Gray, was an "enemy of the state."
"During the late '70s, Biko was arrested four times and detained for several months at a time. In August 1977, he was arrested and held in Port Elizabeth, located at the southern tip of South Africa. The following month, on September 11, Biko was found naked and shackled several miles away, in Pretoria, South Africa. He died the following day, on September 12, 1977, from a brain hemorrhage—later determined to be the result of injuries he had sustained while in police custody. The news of Biko's death caused national outrage and protests, and he became regarded as an international anti-apartheid icon in South Africa.
The police officers who had held Biko were questioned thereafter, but none were charged with any official crimes. However, two decades after Biko's death, in 1997, five former officers confessed killing Biko. The officers reportedly filed applications for amnesty to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission after investigations implicated them in Biko's death, but amnesty was denied in 1999.
Biko was a martyr, worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Dr. King but the sentiments from people like you were with the policemen who killed him. In memory of people like Biko and others, Freddy Gray has morphed into an icon in protest of police brutality.
Let me see if I got this correct ..................
YOU are comparing Steven Bilco to a career criminal (20 arrests by age 25) like Freddie Gray?????
Freddie Gray was and will always be known as a career criminal that was resisting arrest.
Maybe YOU would want to be compared to a career criminal, but I know I wouldn't want to be compared to a career criminal.
The name is Biko not Bilco. My comparison is not of the two individuals but of the attitudes of the police and the general apathy shown by right wingers when a black man dies in custody.
My source indicates Gray was arrested 18 times, mostly for marijuana related offenses.. He was NOT convicted in every case. Some arrests included stacked charges, some of which were dropped. I suppose you could label him a career criminal but does that make his life less valuable than yours or mine in the sight of God? I suspect to you, it does.
There are at least two different arguments going on here, please don't mix them together.
A. one is whether Gray himself deserved to die without due process to prove he did or didn't commit a crime
that this was merited. I think it is clear there was no death penalty warrant or shoot to kill incident involved here.
Can we all agree on that so we don't confuse the two?
B. the other argument is AFTER the fact, after this happens anyway, which by #A we agree it is not the protocol.
Are you going to judge and blame the victim for his background.
Are you going to say the fault is mutual.
Are you going to hold police faultless or the victim faultless.
Personally for me, I'd say for A, no, death is not warranted in this case or with Michael Brown for crime they either committed or suspected that weren't processed legally, but they happened.
And for B why not hold police responsible for their actions
and the suspects responsible for theirs.
If you don't want to be judged by race, then don't judge by race.
Look at the wrongs and those are already chargeable offenses without adding race or hate crimes to it.
As for targeting someone because of their race,
in cases where someone had a criminal background it goes both ways.
You would have to prevent that in advance;
after the fact, it ends up being a mutual conflict, and nobody can blame one side and not the others for their
respective faults going into it.
Remember B is separate from the death in A.
It is already understood that death was not warranted.
I would separate these issues, or admit that neither sides' faults can be separated in a vacuum and hold either side guiltless.
Nobody deserves death for what happened, but what did happen was an escalation due to attitudes on both sides.
Prevention is the best bet, which is best achieved by working together, not dividing over blame.
My prayers to the community, police and families to be uplifted in support and find strength
to work together to solve these problems for the benefit and healing of all.
That should tell you something.Keep teliing yourself that.No it was never about racism.The issue is the crimes committed. Allegedly.
I thought racism was the issue. Hard to blame a crime committed by a black man against a black man on racism. The mayor is black, the district attorney is black, the chief of police is black, but this is supposed to be about racism?
Yes it was, moron. It has always been about racism.
The lib media are telling me that 100 times a day.
That should tell you something.Keep teliing yourself that.No it was never about racism.I thought racism was the issue. Hard to blame a crime committed by a black man against a black man on racism. The mayor is black, the district attorney is black, the chief of police is black, but this is supposed to be about racism?
Yes it was, moron. It has always been about racism.
The lib media are telling me that 100 times a day.
That should tell you something.Keep teliing yourself that.No it was never about racism.
Yes it was, moron. It has always been about racism.
The lib media are telling me that 100 times a day.
It tells me they are despicable lying morons.
That should tell you something.Keep teliing yourself that.No it was never about racism.I thought racism was the issue. Hard to blame a crime committed by a black man against a black man on racism. The mayor is black, the district attorney is black, the chief of police is black, but this is supposed to be about racism?
Yes it was, moron. It has always been about racism.
The lib media are telling me that 100 times a day.
