CDZ The Flynn Effect and Race Realism

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    I see IQ or 'cognitive abilities' as an umbrella term as there are many different abilities. Some are better at math, verbal, sports, music, social, etc. Any single number is a pretty useless data point.
     
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    But that is mostly restricted to a handful of genetic mutants, lol.
     
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    IQ only works as a general trend, I agree, but it's still a metric that can be used if one doesn't read into it too much.
     
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    It makes far more sense to use subcategories like 'Mathematics Quotient' or 'Social Skills Quotient'.

    But I guess that is too much work, lol.
     
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    Yes, but having parents who are "mutants" like that may make you more apt to be one as well.
     
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    You mean like discussing the value of entire races of people based on IQ?
     
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    I see it more as a starting point for evaluating individuals, because it's an individual taking the test. I also see it as something you cant trust except assuming it can be off by as much as 10-20 points.

    And as I see race as a grouping construct that can meld ethnicities and genetic groupings that are wildly different into the same large basket, I tend to look at the smaller groups when analysing these things.

    We group Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and others as "asian" when there are large differences culturally and physically between the groups.
     
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    Remember these abilities are all Bell curves with, I'd guess, 99% overlap. The only real differences will be at the extremes. For example, all great marathon runners may come from East Africa but there are plenty of marathon runners from every area.
     
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    All this I.Q. information sounds like good news.

    So, we have been at the extremely expensive projects of the War on Poverty, the Great Society, and Affirmative Action for over half a century now.

    When can we expect the Black Community to start carrying its own weight in this country, instead of just Whining, Killing Each Other, and Producing Fatherless Babies for the Tax Payers to take care of?
     
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    I think blacks have been paying more in taxes than their community has absorbed in welfare for some time now, but I dont have the stats right now.
     
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