CDZ The Flynn Effect and Race Realism

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    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some kinds of cognitive limits based on various factors.

    Overall, though, I think most of us have access to more capacity than we know.
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    My father was a man of his time. Racist-lite, he didn't wish blacks any harm, he just didn't want to live next to them. I endeavored to NOT pass on his attitude to my children and succeeded, I think. Progress, slow but progress none the less.
     
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    I don't think you can. I think you have to go with inference and remember that correlation is not causation.

    As a sub-set of euro-caucasians, the example of people of Jewish descent can be used as an example, as they were often better educated or worked in jobs that required more intellectual skills. Now the question is did that come about due to baseline genetics, selective genetics due to them being denied other more manual types of professions back in the middle ages/renaissance, environmental factors based on said denial of certain professions (i.e we can't own land and farm, so we gotta go into commerce which requires us educating our kids more) or a combination of all 3?
     
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    There may be a genetic cap, but if so it would be a soft cap as people regularly over-achieve their capabilities.

    I suspect that the vast majority of us under perform what we are capable of due to lack of education, nutrition, emotional issues, etc, such that any genetic cap is largely immaterial today.

    But with the coming genetic engineering in the future, we may all be able to increase that cap.

    Scientists just discovered 50 genes that are linked with intelligence
     
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    One also has to take into account that even if a set population has a genetic limit to their cognitive functions, mutations always are occurring, and you can get the "diamond in the rough" effect. If this allows them to be successful that means they probably will have kids and will be able to expand the genetic limits (if it exists) of the population over time.
     
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    Or limit the cap, remember any technology that can do one thing can probably do the opposite.

    Brave new world called.

    This idea was also brought up by Asimov with regards to planetary defense with regards to asteroids. His point was that any civilization that could move an asteroid to make it miss the planet could also make an asteroid move to hit it.
     
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    The urbanization of a population seems to correlate to its tested average IQ level. Populations from agricultural backgrounds tend to not score as high as populations from urban settings.

    The Ashkenazi Jews of western Europe fit this profile extremely well due to the limits placed on them by law against any kind of access to rural resources and opportunities for centuries. Thus they are over represented in academia, finance and other strictly urban professions, and this I think has helped to increase their base IQ through marital selection.
     
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    While I have never lived the farm life, I can see how it can dull the brain. Early rise, lots of work, early bed. Not much time for personal development.
     
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    But it does make for some physically strong people that can seem just freakish at times. Saw a guy who grew up on a farm bend a quarter with his bare hands.

    In the modern urban setting that is less useful than photographic memory.
     
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    Except if you are really really good at certain sports.
     
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