The Fake racial history of Jews

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    Israeli Bestseller Breaks National Taboo:
    Idea of a Jewish People Invented, Says Historian


    You gotta read it to believe it

    http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2008/cook091008.html
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

    IOW Ashkenazi Jews aren't really Jews at all, but Germans who spent 900 years living in Eastern Europe and sharing a German language.
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    http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3591990,00.html

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    Jonathan Cook, "Israeli Bestseller Breaks National Taboo: Idea of a Jewish People Invented, Says Historian"
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    Is this book a bestseller along with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?????

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    No! It is a best seller INSIDE ISRAEL itself.

    And now in France where it is already in it's third printing.
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    Real "non partisan" reading, huh?

    Now you are hoist by your own petard twice!

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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    hardly. You still have no idea what the word "partisan" means.

    But trying reading the links. You might learn something.
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    from the linked info:
    I'm not sure how he could have arrived at this conclusion, being that genetic/DNA studies done a few years ago basically showed extraordinarily similar genetic ties between the Palestinians and the Jews. The primary (and more significant) differences are religious and cultural.
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    That's what I was wondering too. Genetic research counters his claim.

    Maybe the book is so popular because he's bringing his arguments at an interesting angle. My first thought was that it's just another anti-semitic screed, but I guess not since it's selling well in Israel.
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    Interesting question. The Jewish people are a fairly open-minded society, and have significant numbers of people practicing different faiths within their country, so this could account for part of it, but it still seems strange for the author to claim that they have no history in the region. :confused:
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    i'd like to see something from a magazine that isn't a 'socialist review' in discussing the book. that said, it does sound like an anti-semitic screed...

    mostly one has to wonder about the motivation of people trying to de-jew the jews.
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    Apparently, Sand, an anti-zionist activist and communist, isn't particularly well thought of

    Shlomo Sand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Yeah, there's something not fitting together here. The author himself is the son of Polish Jews who survived the Holocaust.
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    but if you look at the link i just posted, he has a history of being an anti-zionist activist and communist... he thinks that israel shouldn't be israel. and his 'research' is intended to carry out that hypothesis, apparenytly. and it seems to be in conflict with the DNA evidence.
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    That's the main thing. Whatever it is that he claims about Jewish being a "fake" race, he's going to have to explain away all the scientific data that shows otherwise. What's confusing is why this book has been popular in Israel? Maybe it's the DaVinci Code effect, something controversial but not really grounded in peer-reviewed research.

    Put another way, this thread could probably just as easily be in the Conspiracy Theories section.
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    Well, that certainly adds a twist to the story. Thanks!:)
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    i'll go with that
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    Well, over the course of say, 110 generations there is bound to be some genetic drift. But what makes "Jewish" is so subjective that Israel doesn't get too bent out of shape about it. You have Chinese jews who don't look jewish at all. But they still follow the laws, which must be really hard in a society as pork obsessed as China. And there were the Falasha from Ethiopia who look as Jewish as Sammy Davis Jr. But they stayed with the laws as well.

    Lots of intermarriage and involuntary inter relation. A lot can happen over 1,878 years.
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