Stephen Hawking: God didn't create universe

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    Haven't read his new book and don't plan to. But donca think it's a tad arrogant and a little disturbing for Hawkings to dedicate any significant portion of his life to undercutting the faith of others?

    I mean really....why did he feel the need to try and "prove" there is no God?

    I feel a little bit the way I imagine I'd feel if Einstein had developed a theorum that Love Is An Illusion.
     
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    Obviously I can't speak for Stephen Hawkings and having tried to understand string theory and chaos theory I likely won't read his new work.
    However, my reason for posting this link is a result of reading so many arrogant posts by people who profess faith in God and based on their faith feel they can lecture others on Gods plan.
     
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    Well, when I read the story about Hawking's new book, my thought was "gee, this guy's a world class genius. With a disability that makes communicating incredibly hard for him. And rather than add to the world's body of knowledge (of stuff that I have no chance of ever comprehending) he decides to detour and slam the religious? Why?"

    It may be annoying to read the 1,001th Neubarth thread on "The World Is About To End" but I don't grieve over the loss of world knowledge when I do.
     
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    As I said, I can't speak for Hawkings. I can guess though, however my bias will be clearly evident.
    First, I was raised Catholic, and because it was important to my mother I attended church every sunday and was 'confirmed'. However, even before I knew the word hypocrisy, something about the whole process bothered me.
    In preparing for confirmation, we had to go to confession and take communion. I was, 12 or 13 I think (it's been 50 years) but I recall very clearly the priest in confession bringing up the subject of masturbation. Of course I had masturbated, but a light bulb went off and I realized the priest was nothing more than a man, and this man had an agenda I wanted no part of. So I lied. That was the last time I went to confession.
    Now, what Hawkings may have in mind is religion, not God per se. For Hawkings and I and likely you have lived long enough to recognize that evil is done in the name of God, and has been since history has been recorded.
    Without religion wouldn't our world be a nicer, safer, less violent place?
     
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    I dun think religion per se is the problem, Wry Catcher. I was raised catholic too, and have my own issues with the RCC and christianity....

    Some people are more comfy in groups, especially groups they were introduced to as children. Some need religion to cope. Some have long, ponderous spiritual quests that have taken up much of their life's energy. There are prolly as many reasons for people to belong to a religion as there are such people...and 99% of them are completely benign.

    But clearly, some see religion as a control mechanism, or a means to acquire power, etc. They do a great deal of harm, but if religion disappeared tomorrow, I bet they'd just move on and bang on a drum about something else.
     
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    It is a public service to tell the truth. I does not matter that many people do not want to know the truth. Hawking studies the universe and the components that make it up. He is probably fed up with idiots that constantly subvert knowledge with fantasy. "Oh Steven? all that genius is swell and everything but how does any of it fit into God's Plan?" I think it is totally fitting for him to draw a line. This is real..That is not. If you want to understand the knowledge he has to share you must be intellectualy honest. Hawkings efforts to advance human understanding of the universe obviously comes at a price. These truths and theories do not allow any room for your fantasies. It's his call entirely. If you don't like his rules then go ahead on with your pea brain and figure the shit out for youself.
     
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    It's hard for me to believe that Hawking is frustrated by the likes of Franklin Graham or Joseph Ratzinger. Why would they even be on his radar?
     
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    It was GOD's lesser known brother, Buddy, who created the universe...
     
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