The ending of World War Two.

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  1. RetiredGySgt
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    Since this comes up every so many months with an ignorant claim that we did not need to drop atomic Bombs on Japan, that the Japanese were trying to surrender and that they were on their last legs and wanted nothing other then to surrender. I will provide you all with some SOURCE documents.

    These documents show that A) the Japanese did not actually offer a reasonable or acceptable proposal to the Soviets in hopes they would broker a peace. In fact the documents show that Japan's idea of surrender was to keep everything they had, have their original Islands captured returned to them, give up nothing in China and have a "surrender" occur where the allies simply agreed to stop attacking them. No disarmament , no occupation, no lose of territory, no disbanding their military and absolutely no foreigners allowed in Japan.

    B) That Japan was not ready to surrender before either bomb was dropped and in fact after the first were still not ready to surrender. The Army which controlled the Government refused to even consider a surrender. The so called "peace group" had to appeal directly to the Emperor and even he was not willing to order a surrender after one bomb. It took 2 and then it took the direct intervention of the Emperor to over rule the Army in the Government. Followed by an attempted Coup to stop the Emperor's address to the nation and the delivery of the agreement to surrender.

    C) that an invasion would have been less costly then the dropping of the two bombs. It was estimated that 1 million allied troops would be wounded or killed in an Invasion of just one main Island. On the Japanese side the plan was to arm the population with bamboo spears and human wave rush the landing beaches. If carried out, and they were working on doing just that, MILLIONS of Japanese would have died. Millions more would have committed suicide rather then be captured. The evidence of this is on Saipan and Okinawa, where the Japanese civilian population killed itself in large numbers rather then be captured. On Okinawa Japanese soldiers crowded Okinawa civilians into caves and enclosed spaces and killed them with themselves with grenades. ( Okinawan's are not Japanese)

    The Atomic Bomb and the End of World War II: A Collection of Primary Sources
     
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    Less people died in the 2 atomic bomb blasts then in the firebombing of Tokyo.
     
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    fighting ignorant claims before they are made......


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    = brits
     
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    The data supports Retired's conclusion. The materials released in the last five years reveal that the landings in Japan were going to be near-run things. And since the Japanese were not giving any viable signals of surrender, and since portions of the Japanese military tried to stop the Emperor's speech to the Japanese population to prepare to "bear the unbearable", then, yes, the droppings of those horrors were the morally and militarily correct actions.
     
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    that broadcast almost didn't get aired. the night before Army hot heads, refusing to give up raided the palace, murdered the commander of the Imperial Guards Division, surrounded the palace, disarmed its police, and seized technicians from the Nippon Broadcasting Company--but not the precious recordings, which were concealed in an office used by a lady-in-waiting to the empress. the lights were off because of an air raid. i think it was the last raid of the war.
     
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    Your second point, the fact that it took TWO bombs for the Japanese to surrender, reveals the Japanese resolve and the lunacy of people like Pat Buchanan and Noam Chomsky.
     

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