The end of the autism/vaccine debate?

[geauxtohell]

It's no wonder when the Internet and television airwaves are full of personal stories that raise a question about the link. But the study that started the autism vaccine scare was recently retracted by the prestigious journal that published it 12 years ago, and the lead researcher had his medical license pulled.

Since that time, 18 controlled epidemiological studies have investigated the possible connection between autism and vaccines, and "they have all come back showing the same thing," says Alison Singer, founder and president of the Autism Science Foundation, and a mother of a 13-year-old with autism. "There is no link between vaccines and autism."

Those studies took up two primary theories: Wakefield's (lead publisher in the MMR/Autism study) hypothesis that the MMR vaccine was linked to autism, and another that thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative found in some vaccines, was the culprit.

In a 2004 report analyzing the research into the possible connections, the Institute of Medicine (the organization charged with advising the nation on public health concerns) concluded: "the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship" between both the MMR vaccine and thimerosal, and autism.

That same year, 10 of the 13 authors of the Wakefield study retracted it.

The end of the autism/vaccine debate? - CNN.com

Discuss

 

[L.K.Eder]

it will never end.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But the Amish...

 

[geauxtohell]

But the Amish...

Are vaccinated.

 

[eots]

It's no wonder when the Internet and television airwaves are full of personal stories that raise a question about the link. But the study that started the autism vaccine scare was recently retracted by the prestigious journal that published it 12 years ago, and the lead researcher had his medical license pulled.

Since that time, 18 controlled epidemiological studies have investigated the possible connection between autism and vaccines, and "they have all come back showing the same thing," says Alison Singer, founder and president of the Autism Science Foundation, and a mother of a 13-year-old with autism. "There is no link between vaccines and autism."

Those studies took up two primary theories: Wakefield's (lead publisher in the MMR/Autism study) hypothesis that the MMR vaccine was linked to autism, and another that thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative found in some vaccines, was the culprit.

In a 2004 report analyzing the research into the possible connections, the Institute of Medicine (the organization charged with advising the nation on public health concerns) concluded: "the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship" between both the MMR vaccine and thimerosal, and autism.

That same year, 10 of the 13 authors of the Wakefield study retracted it.

The end of the autism/vaccine debate? - CNN.com

Discuss

Feds admit vaccine
'aggravated' autism


© 2010 WorldNetDaily

David Kirby

The federal government continues to deny a link between vaccines and autism, but the U.S. Court of Federal Claims has ruled in favor of a child alleged to have regressed into autism as a result of vaccinations.

Several of the vaccinations included the controversial mercury-based preservative thimerosal, points out the National Autism Association, which sees the ruling as confirmation of the claims of many parents.

"This case echoes the stories of thousands of children across the country," said NAA President Wendy Fournier. "With almost 5,000 similar cases pending in vaccine court, we are confident that this is just the first of many that will confirm what we have believed for so long – vaccines can and do cause children to regress into autism."

Fournier called on the Centers for Disease Control "to acknowledge that the current vaccine schedule is not safe for every child and as with the administration of any medicine, individual risks and susceptibilities must be considered for each patient

Feds admit vaccine 'aggravated' autism

 

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[xotoxi]

I almost initially didn't open this thread because I glanced at the author and read "geauxtohell" as "gautama".

Might consider changing your name to "GTHell"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But the Amish...

Are vaccinated.

Some are, most ain't.

 

[eots]

© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Are you implying thus court case did not take place as reported ? because if you are you are incorrect

 

[eots]

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[strollingbones]

Commentators also argue that the rates of autism are low in the Amish community. Again, this is not true. Pediatricians who work with the Amish community report that members seek out treatment for their children for symptoms that resemble autism or can easily be diagnosed as a form of autism. Dr. Kevin Strauss is a pediatrician at the Clinic For Special Children in Lancaster County. Mr. Strauss states, "The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue." Dr. Strauss also states, "We see autistic behaviors along with seizure disorders or mental retardation or a genetic disorder, where the autism is part of a more complicated clinical spectrum.”

Dr. Stauss and Dr. D. Holmes Norton are the authors of a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that studoes of Old Order Amish children. The authors have, " identified the genetic mutation that causes a previously unknown disorder, with seizures that progress to autism and retardation."

The Amish are members of a very closed community that cannot be taken as representative of the community at large. Many members marry inside of the group. As a result, members often carry a shared gene that does not resemble that of their fellow Americans. Common ailments among the Amish include Maple Syrup Urine Disease and Crigler-Najjar Syndrome. These disorders are found very rarely found in the general population.

Autism among the Amish is common. The autism vaccinate their children with rates that are comparable to the rate found in the general population. Vaccinations (or lack of vaccination) among the Amish do not tell us anything about the origins or causes of autism.



Read more at Suite101: Autism Among the Amish: A Vaccination Myth Deconstructed Autism Among the Amish: A Vaccination Myth Deconstructed

here's a link for ya frank...before you let your ass overide your mouth

 

[eots]

Commentators also argue that the rates of autism are low in the Amish community. Again, this is not true. Pediatricians who work with the Amish community report that members seek out treatment for their children for symptoms that resemble autism or can easily be diagnosed as a form of autism. Dr. Kevin Strauss is a pediatrician at the Clinic For Special Children in Lancaster County. Mr. Strauss states, "The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue." Dr. Strauss also states, "We see autistic behaviors along with seizure disorders or mental retardation or a genetic disorder, where the autism is part of a more complicated clinical spectrum.”

Dr. Stauss and Dr. D. Holmes Norton are the authors of a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that studoes of Old Order Amish children. The authors have, " identified the genetic mutation that causes a previously unknown disorder, with seizures that progress to autism and retardation."

The Amish are members of a very closed community that cannot be taken as representative of the community at large. Many members marry inside of the group. As a result, members often carry a shared gene that does not resemble that of their fellow Americans. Common ailments among the Amish include Maple Syrup Urine Disease and Crigler-Najjar Syndrome. These disorders are found very rarely found in the general population.

Autism among the Amish is common. The autism vaccinate their children with rates that are comparable to the rate found in the general population. Vaccinations (or lack of vaccination) among the Amish do not tell us anything about the origins or causes of autism.



Read more at Suite101: Autism Among the Amish: A Vaccination Myth Deconstructed Autism Among the Amish: A Vaccination Myth Deconstructed

here's a link for ya frank...before you let your ass overide your mouth

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© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Are you implying thus court case did not take place as reported ? because if you are you are incorrect

I just laugh whenever someone quotes WND.

 

[eots]

are you implying thus court case did not take place as reported ? Because if you are you are incorrect

i just laugh whenever someone quotes wnd.

so then you concede the fact of this court ruling as reported

 

[Oddball]

The end of the autism/vaccine debate?

Good luck on that one.

After all, the WHO/EPA crooks who invented the bogus numbers that "proved" 2nd hand tobacco smoke was a health risk are still having that faked data cited as though it's true.

 

[JWBooth]

The end of the autism/vaccine debate?

Good luck on that one.

After all the WHO/EPA crooks who invented the bogus numbers that "proved" 2nd hand tobacco smoke was a health risk are still having that faked data cited as though it's true.

Same folks that pushed the world wide pandemic H1N1/Swine Flu scare that was much ado about nothing. No wonder so many doubt these experts whey they come out with their "there is no evidence that ________ vaccine is linked to..." statements/data.

 

[geauxtohell]

I almost initially didn't open this thread because I glanced at the author and read "geauxtohell" as "gautama".

Might consider changing your name to "GTHell"

I was here first.

Fuck him.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Are there any other unvaccinated populations in the world?

 

[SmarterThanHick]

After all, the WHO/EPA crooks who invented the bogus numbers that "proved" 2nd hand tobacco smoke was a health risk are still having that faked data cited as though it's true.

2nd hand tobacco smoke IS a health risk. It is proven that kids in homes with smokers have increased trips to the doctor, and specifically increased ear infections.

Same folks that pushed the world wide pandemic H1N1/Swine Flu scare that was much ado about nothing. No wonder so many doubt these experts whey they come out with their "there is no evidence that ________ vaccine is linked to..." statements/data.

It turned out to be not as bad as it originally thought. Another flu strain in question has a 60% mortality rate, and luckily this swine flu didn't. Don't compare "we don't know what will happen but let's prepare for bad" with "we know exactly what happens here, let's react accordingly".

are you implying thus court case did not take place as reported ? Because if you are you are incorrect

i just laugh whenever someone quotes wnd.

so then you concede the fact of this court ruling as reported

I think it's safe to concede that courts don't practice evidence based medical decision making. In science you look at all the data, so if a thousand samples say "yes" and 3 say "no", you go with "yes". In a court, you have one expert witness on each side of the case, meaning those thousand samples get reduced to the same one "yes" as the one "no" witness.

 

[Oddball]

After all, the WHO/EPA crooks who invented the bogus numbers that "proved" 2nd hand tobacco smoke was a health risk are still having that faked data cited as though it's true.

2nd hand tobacco smoke IS a health risk. It is proven that kids in homes with smokers have increased trips to the doctor, and specifically increased ear infections.

First off, what's your source?

Second of all, you're talking about chiiilllldrreeennnn, not adults.

Lastly, why is it that the WHO and EPA skewed their test criteria and faked their data, only admitting so so after getting caught?