midcan5

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I am watching the screaming crowd at a Trump rally, I am asking why. A purple heart veteran gives a medal to a draft dodger who promises greatness. Google 'the emasculated American male' and you will get 634,000 hits. What is it about a man that I perceive as a insecure narcissist that gives hope to so many?

Harvard professor and Manliness author Harvey C. Mansfield, 'We are attracted to the manly man because he imparts some of his confidence to everyone else.' Maybe so, but I do not see Donald Trump as a manly man, if anything he seems the son of the pampered upper class. Those born to wealth, who cannot imagine poverty's world. He will not even release his tax forms.

A few of the links in my Google search came from conservative sites and were dated after Barack Obama's election. Did the accomplishment of a Black man fuel this sense of powerlessness? Democrats have lost the white vote since Civil Rights legislation. Is this fear and need born of a deep seated racism.

Witness the hatred of Hillary. Today it is email and Benghazi, but do they forget the witch images from her husband's presidency. Is fear and need born too of misogyny. A woman demonized by republicans for so long. Add in immigration, Mexicans, Muslims, where do you place them.

Certain themes dominate, they get it all, freeloaders, the system is rigged, we are a Christian nation, it's the liberal media, words come to form meaning, thinking is absent, thought is absent. When Trump loses in November it will be because it is a rigged system, and the false narrative will continue. Some will believe. Republicans have engaged in these whistle words for sixty years, someone finally took them up. Their appeal has backfired. Republicans were complicit in a creation they now question.

Hitler references are used too often so now one cannot make comparisons. I will make America great again. I will do this. The crowd cheers, and we will be safe again, and strong again. I will have your back, we will keep them out, we will throw them out, they have to go, the crowd chants, signs waves, slogans work on this audience. Nationalism is a double edged sword.

And why does the American, a person who lives in one of the greatest nations feel they need a savior, a powerful man to lead them to some promised land? Trump praises Putin, is a Russia dictator what they want, a strong leader to makes their wrongs right?

The question becomes when did Americans become so weak they needed someone to lead them? What happened to the free individual, the cowboy image, the creators, the proud American, the laborer, and the made in America. What happened to the nation that won all the important battles? What changed?
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?
 
only reason that i support Trump is due to what he promises a regards making the USA strong , great and stopping the P.C. stupidity at least in his administration MidCan .
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
 
only reason that i support Trump is due to what he promises a regards making the USA strong , great and stopping the P.C. stupidity at least in his administration MidCan .


Has he given you a description of what his promises actually mean, or how he would go about delivering them?
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
Bull shit.

I suspect what you consider great and what I do, are two very different things.

I do not consider a nation great with open borders, 100 million working age people NOT working, huge welfare class, shrinking middle class, outrageous income inequality, a huge central government with unlimited power, politicians who are nothing but crooks, a government bureaucracy gone mad, military interventions throughout the world causing raising tensions, dark forces in government running wild...but that is just me I guess.

Do Obamabots like you think America is doing great?
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
Bull shit.

I suspect what you consider great and what I do, are two very different things.

I do not consider a nation great with open borders, 100 million working age people NOT working, huge welfare class, shrinking middle class, outrageous income inequality, a huge central government with unlimited power, politicians who are nothing but crooks, a government bureaucracy gone mad, military interventions throughout the world causing raising tensions, dark forces in government running wild...but that is just me I guess.

Do Obamabots like you think America is doing great?

Even though you greatly exaggerate the effects our problems have on us, there are and always will be the need to improve. Just because there is still need for improvement doesn't mean America isn't still the great nation it has always been. Perhaps you should try someplace else if you are so disappointed. Your hysterics are beyond that limit that rational people recognize and adhere to.
 
only reason that i support Trump is due to what he promises a regards making the USA strong , great and stopping the P.C. stupidity at least in his administration MidCan .


Has he given you a description of what his promises actually mean, or how he would go about delivering them?
------------------------- sure , he said that he will rebuild the USA military , build a border wall , exclude muslims There is more but those 3 are a big deal and needed for both USA securtity and exercise of Sovereignty . ----------------------------- then there are other easier things like protecting and expanding gun RIGHTS Bulldog .
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
Bull shit.

I suspect what you consider great and what I do, are two very different things.

I do not consider a nation great with open borders, 100 million working age people NOT working, huge welfare class, shrinking middle class, outrageous income inequality, a huge central government with unlimited power, politicians who are nothing but crooks, a government bureaucracy gone mad, military interventions throughout the world causing raising tensions, dark forces in government running wild...but that is just me I guess.

Do Obamabots like you think America is doing great?

Even though you greatly exaggerate the effects our problems have on us, there are and always will be the need to improve. Just because there is still need for improvement doesn't mean America isn't still the great nation it has always been. Perhaps you should try someplace else if you are so disappointed. Your hysterics are beyond that limit that rational people recognize and adhere to.
America would be a great nation if only we could imprison the entire political class.

You have your rose colored glasses on...I do not. The reality is the nation is declining and most of the political class likes and promotes the decline.

A thriving middle class does not vote for socialism and politicians and government bureaucrats know this, but they love socialism. So, naturally they are doing all they can to eliminate the middle class.
 
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I am watching the screaming crowd at a Trump rally, I am asking why. A purple heart veteran gives a medal to a draft dodger who promises greatness. Google 'the emasculated American male' and you will get 634,000 hits. What is it about a man that I perceive as a insecure narcissist that gives hope to so many?

Harvard professor and Manliness author Harvey C. Mansfield, 'We are attracted to the manly man because he imparts some of his confidence to everyone else.' Maybe so, but I do not see Donald Trump as a manly man, if anything he seems the son of the pampered upper class. Those born to wealth, who cannot imagine poverty's world. He will not even release his tax forms.

A few of the links in my Google search came from conservative sites and were dated after Barack Obama's election. Did the accomplishment of a Black man fuel this sense of powerlessness? Democrats have lost the white vote since Civil Rights legislation. Is this fear and need born of a deep seated racism.

Witness the hatred of Hillary. Today it is email and Benghazi, but do they forget the witch images from her husband's presidency. Is fear and need born too of misogyny. A woman demonized by republicans for so long. Add in immigration, Mexicans, Muslims, where do you place them.

Certain themes dominate, they get it all, freeloaders, the system is rigged, we are a Christian nation, it's the liberal media, words come to form meaning, thinking is absent, thought is absent. When Trump loses in November it will be because it is a rigged system, and the false narrative will continue. Some will believe. Republicans have engaged in these whistle words for sixty years, someone finally took them up. Their appeal has backfired. Republicans were complicit in a creation they now question.

Hitler references are used too often so now one cannot make comparisons. I will make America great again. I will do this. The crowd cheers, and we will be safe again, and strong again. I will have your back, we will keep them out, we will throw them out, they have to go, the crowd chants, signs waves, slogans work on this audience. Nationalism is a double edged sword.

And why does the American, a person who lives in one of the greatest nations feel they need a savior, a powerful man to lead them to some promised land? Trump praises Putin, is a Russia dictator what they want, a strong leader to makes their wrongs right?

The question becomes when did Americans become so weak they needed someone to lead them? What happened to the free individual, the cowboy image, the creators, the proud American, the laborer, and the made in America. What happened to the nation that won all the important battles? What changed?
Most of us in the USA do not feel the need for a Donald Duck Trump, no.

But apparently the non college educated males do.
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
Actually Buchanan from history comes to mind as the worst. It would be hard to top him in that category of worst.

He was from Pennsylvania however he did not seem to care about preserving the Union -- ergo he was no Southerner so it could not be a conspiracy.

Maybe he was in over his head.

Buchanan ranks as probably the worst POTUS in history.
 
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We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

"we americans"? you should probably speak for yourself. we americans voted twice for this president.

culturally? you mean he isn't a white supremacist?
 
An America stupid enough to elect a habitual liar whose campaign is funded by foreign interests surely is ready to accept becoming a third-world backwater. A place where all revenue flows to the ruler. That never ends well. Sometimes for the people, sometimes for the departing (one way or another) leader.
 
only reason that i support Trump is due to what he promises a regards making the USA strong , great and stopping the P.C. stupidity at least in his administration MidCan .


Has he given you a description of what his promises actually mean, or how he would go about delivering them?
------------------------- sure , he said that he will rebuild the USA military , build a border wall , exclude muslims There is more but those 3 are a big deal and needed for both USA securtity and exercise of Sovereignty . ----------------------------- then there are other easier things like protecting and expanding gun RIGHTS Bulldog .


Great. How is he going to do that? Excluding anyone for religion is unconstitutional, so do you really think he can change that? Mexico already said "I'm not going to pay for that fucking wall", and he will never get congress to fund it, The US military doesn't need rebuilding. They just need to change to match the needs of the 21st century instead of the 20th century. What methods will he use to accomplish his silly promises?
 
I am watching the screaming crowd at a Trump rally, I am asking why. A purple heart veteran gives a medal to a draft dodger who promises greatness. Google 'the emasculated American male' and you will get 634,000 hits. What is it about a man that I perceive as a insecure narcissist that gives hope to so many?

Harvard professor and Manliness author Harvey C. Mansfield, 'We are attracted to the manly man because he imparts some of his confidence to everyone else.' Maybe so, but I do not see Donald Trump as a manly man, if anything he seems the son of the pampered upper class. Those born to wealth, who cannot imagine poverty's world. He will not even release his tax forms.

A few of the links in my Google search came from conservative sites and were dated after Barack Obama's election. Did the accomplishment of a Black man fuel this sense of powerlessness? Democrats have lost the white vote since Civil Rights legislation. Is this fear and need born of a deep seated racism.

Witness the hatred of Hillary. Today it is email and Benghazi, but do they forget the witch images from her husband's presidency. Is fear and need born too of misogyny. A woman demonized by republicans for so long. Add in immigration, Mexicans, Muslims, where do you place them.

Certain themes dominate, they get it all, freeloaders, the system is rigged, we are a Christian nation, it's the liberal media, words come to form meaning, thinking is absent, thought is absent. When Trump loses in November it will be because it is a rigged system, and the false narrative will continue. Some will believe. Republicans have engaged in these whistle words for sixty years, someone finally took them up. Their appeal has backfired. Republicans were complicit in a creation they now question.

Hitler references are used too often so now one cannot make comparisons. I will make America great again. I will do this. The crowd cheers, and we will be safe again, and strong again. I will have your back, we will keep them out, we will throw them out, they have to go, the crowd chants, signs waves, slogans work on this audience. Nationalism is a double edged sword.

And why does the American, a person who lives in one of the greatest nations feel they need a savior, a powerful man to lead them to some promised land? Trump praises Putin, is a Russia dictator what they want, a strong leader to makes their wrongs right?

The question becomes when did Americans become so weak they needed someone to lead them? What happened to the free individual, the cowboy image, the creators, the proud American, the laborer, and the made in America. What happened to the nation that won all the important battles? What changed?
Best way to rig elections is with a corrupt media.
If the election is close.....there's plenty of ways Hillary can steal the election. After it's over, it doesn't matter if she won by committing fraud, which she has been doing most of her life. But Hillary isn't alone. Every Democrat in the DNC is just as guilty of fraud as she is. Debbie Blabbermouth-Shits isn't the only one.
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
Bull shit.

I suspect what you consider great and what I do, are two very different things.

I do not consider a nation great with open borders, 100 million working age people NOT working, huge welfare class, shrinking middle class, outrageous income inequality, a huge central government with unlimited power, politicians who are nothing but crooks, a government bureaucracy gone mad, military interventions throughout the world causing raising tensions, dark forces in government running wild...but that is just me I guess.

Do Obamabots like you think America is doing great?

Even though you greatly exaggerate the effects our problems have on us, there are and always will be the need to improve. Just because there is still need for improvement doesn't mean America isn't still the great nation it has always been. Perhaps you should try someplace else if you are so disappointed. Your hysterics are beyond that limit that rational people recognize and adhere to.
America would be a great nation if only we could imprison the entire political class.

You have your rose colored glasses on...I do not. The reality is the nation is declining and most of the political class likes and promotes the decline.

A thriving middle class does not vote for socialism and politicians and government bureaucrats know this, and they love socialism. So, naturally they are doing all they can to eliminate the middle class.


Great idea. Lets imprison all the political opponents just like every crack pot dictator in every third world country, and then we could all be proud of America as truly the land of the free as long as you agree with the ones in charge.
 
gotta elect the TRUMP to actually see what he can do and i expect that he can carry forth my agenda quite nicely . I think that that reality is why you are afraid Bulldog .
 
We Americans have had to endure presidents who don't want America to be great. The current one seems intent on weakening America economically, militarily, and culturally.

Trump is a terrible choice for POTUS...but Hillary is far worse. You can see the former, but can't see the later. Why?

Your claim that America has had presidents that didn't want America to be great is just ridiculous. We have had presidents that made very poor choices, but your claim takes everything out of the realm of reality into a twisted conspiracy theory ruled world of fear and unchecked paranoia. A rational person must see there has to be a limit to claims made for political purposes. Your claim is far beyond that limit.
Actually Buchanan from history comes to mind as the worst. It would be hard to top him in that category of worst.

He was from Pennsylvania however he did not seem to care about preserving the Union -- ergo he was no Southerner so it could not be a conspiracy.

Maybe he was in over his head.

Buchanan ranks as probably the worst POTUS in history.

Buchanan, even with his inability to deal with the growing revolutionary possibilities never actively tried to hurt the U.S., and only an irrational hysteric would try to claim he did.
 
gotta elect the TRUMP to actually see what he can do and i expect that he can carry forth my agenda quite nicely . I think that that reality is why you are afraid Bulldog .


So you admit that you have no reason to believe he can, or even has a plan to fulfill his promises. Sounds like sound right wing reasoning to me.
 

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