The Electoral College is not fair!

[Leo123]

the science is settled
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TINVOWOOT

Getting rid of the EC is tantamount to being ruled by the tyranny of a geographic minority. Kind of like Nazi Germany.

 

[JoeB131]

What a dumb thing to say.
Look up the history on it.

I have. The history is pretty fucking racist, too. But I was talking about the net effect now.

What is not fair is for greedy welfare queen assholes to use our democracy to steal what they are too sorry to provide for themselves.

A Koch Brother, Flash and a Welfare Mom walk into a diner. The Waitress bring out 10 cookies, Koch wolfs down 9 of them and says to Flash, "That Welfare Queen wants half your cookie!"

 

[Weatherman2020]

Hilarious how the system was fine until Hillary got her ass kicked.

Here's the thing. Most times, the EC just confirmed what the popular vote was. So people just thought of it as a formality.

Even 2000, the vote was so close nationally and in Florida, you could argue a split decision either way.

2016, the people made a pretty clear rejection of Trump and his racism.. and they were ignored because of this archaic system.

The ironic thing is that if you shot up the GOP delegation with Sodium Penothal, they'd all admit, Trump is completely unfit to be President by any objective standard. I suspect most of his supporters on USMB know it,...

But if you ever wonder how a Mad Emperor stays in power, this is a great example.

Oh give it up....The People decided Trump is fit to be President. Who the fuck are you to say he is unfit? Is that what they TOLD you to post? You are a dufus.

He needs more coloring books and stuffed animals to get him thru this.

 

[Weatherman2020]

What's hilarious to me is that one Democrat mantra is 'every vote counts' yet they want to deny equal voting power to less populace States by getting rid of the EC.

They want America to be like shithole Los Angeles.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh give it up....The People decided Trump is fit to be President. Who the fuck are you to say he is unfit? Is that what they TOLD you to post? You are a dufus.

The people decided nothing of the sort, as 10 million more voted against him than for him.

An archaic system devised by slave-owners decided he was fit, because you have too many career politicians who thought they could benefit... that's not a good thing at all.

What's hilarious to me is that one Democrat mantra is 'every vote counts' yet they want to deny equal voting power to less populace States by getting rid of the EC.

This is where you are a little confused. The Less populated states don't get any more power. Quite the contrary, most of the Rectangles with no people in them have very few voters to start with, and they are almost never in play in an election. Well, Colorado is, sometimes.

The only states that mattered this time were about five swing states, where because too many sensible people pissed away their votes on third party candidates who were even less fit than Trump, flipped the EC after the national majority clearly said "No".

In IL, we got almost no visits from either candidate? Why? IL despite being the fifth most populated state, was solid blue.

Here's the real problem. The GOP has spent the last 40 years becoming a white identity party. That worked just fine in the 70s and 80s, when whites made up 88% of the electorate, but today that number is down to about 68% and shrinking. So the only way the GOP remains competitive is by doubling down on the white supremecy and hoping to win the EC, because they've only won the popular vote once barely since 1988.

What they should have done is what Bush-43 did in 2004, and that was reach out to the people the party has ignored... But Trump (and Romney) effectively destroyed those efforts.

 

[JoeB131]

Getting rid of the EC is tantamount to being ruled by the tyranny of a geographic minority. Kind of like Nazi Germany.

Really? I think you don't know a lot about Germany.

The Nazis LOST the only free election they held. So instead, they went to their equivalent of an EC, put together a coalition with another Right Wing party, the German National People's Party (DNVP), and put Hitler in the Chancellor's chair.

And much like with Trump, the "establishment" thought "well, we can control this guy!" Franz von Papen, the leader of the Centrist Party thought this, up until the SS Came to his house on the Night of the Long Knives. He survived, but became really damned compliant after that.

 

[mamooth]

Wow, at NO point did I say you said you were a totalitarian. I said you REVEALED yourself to be a totalitarian jackass.

Oh, that's totally different. Do carry on.

I suppose you're doing the best you can since you are wrong (my opinion) and can't really defend the idea that you want to ignore the votes of people that don't vote in a manner in which you approve.

You're right. Saying all votes should count equally is totally totalitarian. Your version where your own side's votes count more is so much better.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Oh give it up....The People decided Trump is fit to be President. Who the fuck are you to say he is unfit? Is that what they TOLD you to post? You are a dufus.

The people decided nothing of the sort, as 10 million more voted against him than for him.

An archaic system devised by slave-owners decided he was fit, because you have too many career politicians who thought they could benefit... that's not a good thing at all.

What's hilarious to me is that one Democrat mantra is 'every vote counts' yet they want to deny equal voting power to less populace States by getting rid of the EC.

This is where you are a little confused. The Less populated states don't get any more power. Quite the contrary, most of the Rectangles with no people in them have very few voters to start with, and they are almost never in play in an election. Well, Colorado is, sometimes.

The only states that mattered this time were about five swing states, where because too many sensible people pissed away their votes on third party candidates who were even less fit than Trump, flipped the EC after the national majority clearly said "No".

In IL, we got almost no visits from either candidate? Why? IL despite being the fifth most populated state, was solid blue.

Here's the real problem. The GOP has spent the last 40 years becoming a white identity party. That worked just fine in the 70s and 80s, when whites made up 88% of the electorate, but today that number is down to about 68% and shrinking. So the only way the GOP remains competitive is by doubling down on the white supremecy and hoping to win the EC, because they've only won the popular vote once barely since 1988.

What they should have done is what Bush-43 did in 2004, and that was reach out to the people the party has ignored... But Trump (and Romney) effectively destroyed those efforts.

Hysterical rants by the childish Left.

 

[Leo123]

Getting rid of the EC is tantamount to being ruled by the tyranny of a geographic minority. Kind of like Nazi Germany.

Really? I think you don't know a lot about Germany.

The Nazis LOST the only free election they held. So instead, they went to their equivalent of an EC, put together a coalition with another Right Wing party, the German National People's Party (DNVP), and put Hitler in the Chancellor's chair.

And much like with Trump, the "establishment" thought "well, we can control this guy!" Franz von Papen, the leader of the Centrist Party thought this, up until the SS Came to his house on the Night of the Long Knives. He survived, but became really damned compliant after that.

No dufus I meant that Germany, one country, ruled a good many countries or geographic area. Try to comprehend.

 

[Yarddog]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
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Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

It's Also Not Fair if people in Wyoming have no voice, when federal laws can be passed that directly effect their state and lively hood. No uninformed voter in Los Angeles or New York city is going to give a shit about peoples lives in Wyoming or understand their different needs.
So why do you want to silence the voting voice of sparsly populated states? Next to population centers like Chicago or DC thats exactly what would happen.

 

[dblack]

It's Also Not Fair if people in Wyoming have no voice, when federal laws can be passed that directly effect their state and lively hood. No uninformed voter in Los Angeles or New York city is going to give a shit about peoples lives in Wyoming or understand their different needs.
So why do you want to silence the voting voice of sparsly populated states? Next to population centers like Chicago or DC thats exactly what would happen.

Democracy worshippers see majority rule as a universal good.

 

[Anathema]

Democracy worshippers see majority rule as a universal good.

It’s not Democracy when the only votes that mean anything are the ones in a dozen or so urban areas where there is zero diversity of opinion and probably 75% of the voters are so uninformed, uneducated and uninvested regarding this country that they couldn’t qualify for citizenship if they weren’t already citizens.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

It's Also Not Fair if people in Wyoming have no voice, when federal laws can be passed that directly effect their state and lively hood. No uninformed voter in Los Angeles or New York city is going to give a shit about peoples lives in Wyoming or understand their different needs.
So why do you want to silence the voting voice of sparsly populated states? Next to population centers like Chicago or DC thats exactly what would happen.

Thats what they want, the sissy liberals in this country to rule america

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Democracy worshippers see majority rule as a universal good.

It’s not Democracy when the only votes that mean anything are the ones in a dozen or so urban areas where there is zero diversity of opinion and probably 75% of the voters are so uninformed, uneducated and uninvested regarding this country that they couldn’t qualify for citizenship if they weren’t already citizens.

Screw Democracy. I'll take the Republic any day of the week.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You're right. Saying all votes should count equally is totally totalitarian. Your version where your own side's votes count more is so much better.

You don't care about all votes mattering, one person one vote or any of the other platitudes you put up to sway the listless
You just want to win, and you know you can;t unless you change the rules.

 

[Anathema]

Screw Democracy. I'll take the Republic any day of the week.

Screw then both - I’m an Authoritarian. I just wanted to point out why the EC was and will always be necessary to legitimize National elections in the USA.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Screw Democracy. I'll take the Republic any day of the week.

Screw then both - I’m an Authoritarian. I just wanted to point out why the EC was and will always be necessary to legitimize National elections in the USA.

Without the Electoral College, our elections would be a straight democracy.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Screw Democracy. I'll take the Republic any day of the week.

Screw then both - I’m an Authoritarian. I just wanted to point out why the EC was and will always be necessary to legitimize National elections in the USA.

Without the Electoral College, our elections would be a straight democracy.

Exactly, Gay marriage would be Illegal so would Abortions, Democracy doesn't work.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

Are you out of straw yet? The electoral college was not created because people were less educated in the past than they were now.

There were a few primary reasons the founders selected the electoral system. They feared political demagogues pandering to the populist at the expense of minorities Also Representatives from smaller states did not want the interest of their citizens to be marginalized by larger populated states. The idea existed that a president should have geographically and demographically broad support over concentrated support in large states and cities.

 

[RandomPoster]

Below is a list of states along with their populations, number of electoral votes, and a percentage that demonstrates the relative value of a vote cast in that state compared to the national average For example, in 2008, on average a state is awarded one electoral vote for every 565,166 people.

However, Wyoming has three electoral votes and only 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 estimates). As a result each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to 177,556 people. Understood in one way, these people have 3.18 times as much clout in the Electoral College as an average American, or 318% (as listed in the pdf chart, downloadable below).

Population vs. Electoral Votes - Fairvote
---------------------------------------

Maj. rule happens in the Federal and State House and Senate and the Supreme Court. Yet the maj vote does not count in the elections for Potus. WHY?

While there is evidence that the founders assumed the electors would be independent actors,
https://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/electoral-college

There are 2 Senators from every state and they have their representatives in the house to bring their voices to the congress. We do not need the EC any more. The population of the US in 1800 was about 5 million and only 13 states, people were uneducated and the workers did not vote, or the women or blacks, only the rich white men aka the founders.

Most workers did not even know who was running when the EC was invented.

I seem to recall in elementary school when civics was discussed that they mentioned a compromise that was made between big and small states that had to be settled before any states would agree to join the union. I also remember how it was mentioned and also made sense how the basic issue they resolved has not, in principle, changed since the days of the founding fathers. Now, the Democrats want to change the rules after the agreement has been struck in the same way children like to try and change the rules in the middle of a card game after they look at their cards.