The downside of carrying a firearm...

[Bumberclyde]

Thank you for continuing to help prove the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Thanks for proving my point.

Btw, what do sane people need a semi for? Shoot the whole herd of deer all at once?

Why do people like want to impose your beliefs on others? This desire to use government, which is force, to force people to live by your rules, is disgusting and anti-American.

We once had a free country. Then the nation became infected with liberalism...and all liberty is lost.

Amazingly those on the left fail to see the danger in all of this. How can they be so blind?

The US was never free, there have always been lots of rules and laws... And the government is spying on you as well. More guns = more gun deaths. But I guess that's what you want.

 

[Geaux4it]

Thanks for proving my point.

Btw, what do sane people need a semi for? Shoot the whole herd of deer all at once?

Why do people like want to impose your beliefs on others? This desire to use government, which is force, to force people to live by your rules, is disgusting and anti-American.

We once had a free country. Then the nation became infected with liberalism...and all liberty is lost.

Amazingly those on the left fail to see the danger in all of this. How can they be so blind?

The US was never free, there have always been lots of rules and laws... And the government is spying on you as well. More guns = more gun deaths. But I guess that's what you want.

Acceptable risk to have the honor of living in the US

-Geaux

 

[OODA_Loop]

After thinking it over perhaps I was wrong and overzealous. I will no longer post here. Mods please terminate my account.

 

[hunarcy]

Because crazy people have no rights.

Crazy people should have the right to residential treatment or quality healthcare of a permanent nature.

Even if they don't want it.

Actually, if they are a danger to themselves or others, then yes.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Why do people like want to impose your beliefs on others? This desire to use government, which is force, to force people to live by your rules, is disgusting and anti-American.

We once had a free country. Then the nation became infected with liberalism...and all liberty is lost.

Amazingly those on the left fail to see the danger in all of this. How can they be so blind?

The US was never free, there have always been lots of rules and laws... And the government is spying on you as well. More guns = more gun deaths. But I guess that's what you want.

Acceptable risk to have the honor of living in the US

-Geaux

^^^^^^^^^^

 

[hunarcy]

The US was never free, there have always been lots of rules and laws... And the government is spying on you as well. More guns = more gun deaths. But I guess that's what you want.

Acceptable risk to have the honor of living in the US

-Geaux

^^^^^^^^^^

All you've done there is show why I feel you're not worth having a discussion with, so thanks for that.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Thanks for proving my point.

Btw, what do sane people need a semi for? Shoot the whole herd of deer all at once?

Why do people like want to impose your beliefs on others? This desire to use government, which is force, to force people to live by your rules, is disgusting and anti-American.

We once had a free country. Then the nation became infected with liberalism...and all liberty is lost.

Amazingly those on the left fail to see the danger in all of this. How can they be so blind?

The US was never free, there have always been lots of rules and laws... And the government is spying on you as well. More guns = more gun deaths. But I guess that's what you want.

More gun deaths = fewer rapes and assaults.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Crazy people should have the right to residential treatment or quality healthcare of a permanent nature.

Even if they don't want it.

Actually, if they are a danger to themselves or others, then yes.

The only way you can prove they are a danger is if they commit a crime.

 

[hunarcy]

Even if they don't want it.

Actually, if they are a danger to themselves or others, then yes.

The only way you can prove they are a danger is if they commit a crime.

A mental health professional's evaluation would do a better job than waiting got him to commit a crime.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Actually, if they are a danger to themselves or others, then yes.

The only way you can prove they are a danger is if they commit a crime.

A mental health professional's evaluation would do a better job than waiting got him to commit a crime.

Except that isn't all that accurate. The reason for that is pretty simple, they are guessing.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Actually, if they are a danger to themselves or others, then yes.

The only way you can prove they are a danger is if they commit a crime.

A mental health professional's evaluation would do a better job than waiting got him to commit a crime.

Oh, you mean like that Army mental health professional who shot so many of his fellow soldiers?

 

[Bumberclyde]

Why do people like want to impose your beliefs on others? This desire to use government, which is force, to force people to live by your rules, is disgusting and anti-American.

We once had a free country. Then the nation became infected with liberalism...and all liberty is lost.

Amazingly those on the left fail to see the danger in all of this. How can they be so blind?

The US was never free, there have always been lots of rules and laws... And the government is spying on you as well. More guns = more gun deaths. But I guess that's what you want.

More gun deaths = fewer rapes and assaults.

More gun deaths = less idiots with guns.

 

[hunarcy]

The only way you can prove they are a danger is if they commit a crime.

A mental health professional's evaluation would do a better job than waiting got him to commit a crime.

Except that isn't all that accurate. The reason for that is pretty simple, they are guessing.

I'd accept that if a person appears to be a danger to himself or others, that person should be committed until there's no question. Then, if there's no danger, they get released and their rights restored.

 

[hunarcy]

The only way you can prove they are a danger is if they commit a crime.

A mental health professional's evaluation would do a better job than waiting got him to commit a crime.

Oh, you mean like that Army mental health professional who shot so many of his fellow soldiers?

He wasn't mentally ill. He is a terrorist.

 

[9thIDdoc]

A mental health professional's evaluation would do a better job than waiting got him to commit a crime.

Oh, you mean like that Army mental health professional who shot so many of his fellow soldiers?

He wasn't mentally ill. He is a terrorist.

True but he's also not someone I'd trust making arbitrary decisions about someone's rights. A psychiatric opinion is just that; an opinion. And 5 different psychiatrists may have 5 different opinions about a person's mental condition. That's why the last word is, and should be, up to a court as is required by due process.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Take from the equation, the population centers which have been governed by Socialism for a generation or more and Gun deaths are irrelevant.

That tells us that THE PROBLEM is not Guns, but people who have been 'taught' collectivism. They lack the slightest understanding that their rights are sustained ONLY by their bearing the correlating responsibilities. They have been taught by decades of subjective governance, wherein the rules change when it suits the socialist authorities.

What's more, the highest crime rates in the nation, have consistently been realized in the population centers, with the most stringent restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms.

This is not even a debatable point.

 

[hunarcy]

Oh, you mean like that Army mental health professional who shot so many of his fellow soldiers?

He wasn't mentally ill. He is a terrorist.

True but he's also not someone I'd trust making arbitrary decisions about someone's rights. A psychiatric opinion is just that; an opinion. And 5 different psychiatrists may have 5 different opinions about a person's mental condition. That's why the last word is, and should be, up to a court as is required by due process.

How does being a terrorist invalidate his professional psychiatric opinion?

I do support having a judge involved in the commitment process. That's a due process requirement. But, I DON'T think it should be as difficult as it's been made to get people into facilities where they can be treated and not living on the street or at home where they're a threat to themselves and everyone around them.

 

[protectionist]

yes, we are. Safe from the government. And thats the exact reason for the 2nd amendment.

Very true.....

Our society is suffering from the Gubmint gunning down 13,000 Americans a year

The 2nd amendment was about protecting Americans from redcoats and indians. Since neither is now a threat, the 2nd amendment is now obsolete.

As if redcoats and Indians were all we might have to defend ourselves from, right ? What a stupid post.

 

[Politico]

Still no downside.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Very true.....

Our society is suffering from the Gubmint gunning down 13,000 Americans a year

The 2nd amendment was about protecting Americans from redcoats and indians. Since neither is now a threat, the 2nd amendment is now obsolete.

As if redcoats and Indians were all we might have to defend ourselves from, right ? What a stupid post.

At the time, yes. So tell me Einstein, what are you needing to protect yourself from these days with a militia?