The Conservative Case for Obamacare

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    A fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute makes it today.

    The counterargument to Obama used to be that the policy was perfectly fine, it just wasn't permissible to do it as a federal-state partnership (though, arguably, Romney's version already was, since it needed federal support). We found out in June that isn't the case and that Obamacare is just as constitutional as Romneycare. So now all that's left is the policy discussion and that's actually quite amenable to conservative principles.

    The Conservative Case for Obamacare
     
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    ObamaCare is RomneyCare. Some of us knew that already and that's why I don't expect Romney to move to repeal it if he gets elected.

    Both Parties are joined at the hip.
     
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    That's because is this where our politics has led us: to a fusion of liberal and conservative principles. Cover more people, but do it using market mechanisms and private players.

    Both presidential candidates have obviously endorsed this approach in their own ways. And at this point there isn't much out there in the way of alternatives.
     
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    There is a difference. Romney did it at a state level , Obama did it national. If the states had a vote for it and that state wants it I see no problem with it. But when it is forced down our throats. Plus Mass already had 97 percent of people already that was insured . He only had to worry about 3 percent..
     
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    obamacare is unconstitutional. Taking the money to fund obamacare is constitutional as part of the taxing authority.
     
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    More like where the media has led the ignorant.
    Claims of a "healthcare crisis" by (primarily leftist) politicians and the media sucks it up and broadcasts it.
    And what is the supposed solution? Not changes to healthcare, but rather, changes to health INSURANCE.
    Health care isn't a right, health insurance isn't a right.
    Alternative that.
     
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    Yes, changes to health care. This is where Romneycare and Obamacare diverge, as the latter is comprehensive health reform that encompasses health care, health insurance, workforce development, public health, the public programs (Medicare and Medicaid), you name it. Romneycare, on the other hand, only focused on health insurance.

    But in their approaches to health insurance markets, Romneycare and Obamacare are very similar indeed.
     
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    2700 page bill

    5000 pages of regulations (so far)

    yeah, all great civilizations had a health care system like that
     
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    One is a state program.

    The other is a federal program.

    See the difference? If not, you may be too stupid to vote.
     
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    That argument lost its legs in June: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

    Given that there's no constitutional issue, it's just good policy now. Even--or especially--Mr. Romney would agree! Besides, exchanges remain in state hands, just as Romney's Commonwealth Connector has and will.

    Bill Frist explained the virtue of this state-based approach not too long ago: "Why both parties should embrace ObamaCare's state exchanges"
    An approach that's conservative to its core.
     

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