The Climate Change Cult

[Billy_Bob]

I see your a graduate of the Michael Mann School of deception... You tack on the thermometer record to a plot of 250-500 year data points... In other words your a liar and a deceiver.. And to do it with the CO2 record as well is funny as hell..

You use the 95 or 97 % consensus lie to boot....

Just another political hack drone without a real thought of your own..

You so haven't got a clue. It's hard to know where to start. Nobody, not even climate scientists who support the truthful and already proven notion that humans are responsible for climate change, denies that the Earth has gone through various climate change scenarios over thousands of years. What they have proven is that the current situation is FAR above the norm. The NASA graph shows you that you imbecile.

Clueless to the last.. I just blew your NASA lie graph to hell with real science.. (and NASA took a page from Mann in tacking on the current record to the end of the graph instead of averaging it into the resolution plot, as it should be) I demonstrated that our CO2 levels have ALWAYS FLUXED WITH TEMPERATURE CHANGE..

You lose... Care to try again?

 

[SSDD]

They have modelled it. And yes, modelling is absolutely a scientifically provable method. .

So no observed, measured evidence to support claims about an entity as eminently observable and measurable as the climate, the atmosphere, and the movement of energy through it? And yes, modeling is absolutely a scientifically provable method. Look at aerospace, and all the other fields that use modeling.

In aerospace, they design an airfoil, stick it on an airframe, and run it through at model. The model predicts if it will perform and how well it will perform. That is the modeling phase...

Then they start building mock ups, and testing them in wind tunnels, then compare the results of the mock up tests against the predictions made by the models...then they build full sized models and test those in wind tunnels and compare those results against the models...always looking for any deviation between what the model predicts, and the reality. Any deviation from the predictions the model makes, and what happens in reality is a failure on the part of the model and the model is reworked, or scrapped in favor of a better model that can actually predict what is happening in reality...the measure of success or failure is the observed, measured evidence resulting from the actual testing of the model against reality.

No one models an aircraft design and then sends it to fabrication to be built and put into actual use. But that is precisely what climate science has done. They modeled a climate...and then based on that model, recommended all manner of political regulations, changes, taxes, and asked that iterally trillions of dollars be spent to avoid the change predicted by the model. When you look at the models vs reality, the models have failed miserably and yet, no real changes have been made to the models...other than to increase the margin of error bars so that future failures of the models can be claimed to be within the margin of error.

In actual science, a single predictive failure of a hypothesis is often justification to toss out the hypothesis and begin work on a new one...or at the very least, put some serious work into the hypothesis itself in an effort to assure that it doesn't experience future predictive failures.. The fact is that the scientific landscape of the past 3 or 4 decades is literally littered with the predictive failures of the AGW hypothesis and no meaningful changes have been made to it other than to increase the margins of error.

I'm not even going to go into the physical evidence.

Of course you aren't...because there is no physical evidence for you to provide that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability...there is only modeling which fails to predict reality.

You stack up your list of 'scientists' and I'll stack up mine. And no, you just being some hick on a messageboard doesn't make you an expert

I am asking for evidence...and you are asking for lists of people? In science, it is the evidence that matters...and only the evidence that matters. Lists of people equate to voting and we don't vote on science....in science, if it is science we are talking about...only one thing matters and that is the evidence you can produce to support the hypothesis....and you have none.

And still you believe...that makes you a dupe...and since you try to push your beliefs on others, it also makes you a useful idiot...

 

[SSDD]

For a start I am apolitical.

And yet, you chose your position based on politics. You certainly didn't choose your side based on any actual evidence to support the claims being made by climate science.

As for politics, how come every single person on this board who doesn't believe humans are affecting the climate are right-wing neocon whackadoodles?

I couldn't tell you about the politics of anyone except for you AGW believers...since you chose your position based on politics. There is one side that has built its case on observation, measurement, and published, peer reviewed since...there is one side which is perfectly willing to post the science upon which their positions are based...and that side isn't the believers... You guys do little more than call names, and engage in political arguments based on consensus. Consensus isn't science...science is observation, measurement, and accumulation of evidence to support a hypothesis.

You can't even post a single piece of observed, measured evidence to support the hypothesis you believe in...and yet, are fully convinced that the hypothesis is correct. What exactly does that have to do with science. I can post up published, peer reviewed science to support any part of my position...you don't even seem to have ever even read any peer reviewed published science. You talk like a politician.

And your characterization of those who question your hypothesis as right-wing neocon wackadoodles makes your claim of being apolitical a bald faced lie. Not surprising since most of you believers are liars...you have to be since you can't provide anything like actual evince to support the beliefs you are trying to push...what other option do you have but to lie?

No politics there? Next thing you'll be saying is that the climate scientists are doing it to get grant money. To which I say, if you think that, you know nothing about scientists and what motivates them.

Grant money is certainly a factor...but not the only factor... And do you think scientists are immune from being tempted by money? You think they put their pants on any differently than you? You think they don't have mortgages, and car payments, and credit card bills, and kids to feed, clothe, and put through school? Money certainly had an effect on the career decisions I made, and the decisions I made in my career...anyone who says that they have never made career decisions based on finances is either living in their parent's basement, or perhaps living in a park and sleeping on a bench...or maybe in their 40s or 50s and still working minimum wage jobs. You certainly don't work as a professional in any field without making decisions based on finances and climate scientists are no different from anyone else.

Here is a photo of michael mann's home...tell me this guy doesn't make decisions based on finances. Nice digs for a guy in a field in which 30 years ago, the best career outlook for a guy with his degree was a gig as a weather man on a local TV station.

The evidence suggests that climate science is the unfortunate victim of an error cascade. It has happened to far older fields of science which are much more rigorously controlled than climate science, and unfortunately, few working within an error cascade are able to see it.

 

[SSDD]

They dont do actual science... they do political crap intended to take away the rights of people..

And here we have it folks. Whackadoodle 101 and why climate deniers are fucking idiots.

So lets see some of the "actual science". The climate and atmosphere are eminently observable, and measurable...lets see some of the actual science supporting the AGW hypothesis...a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variably is more than you can produce...so tell us about this actual science that they do...I'm all ears.

 

[SSDD]

You so haven't got a clue. It's hard to know where to start. Nobody, not even climate scientists who support the truthful and already proven notion that humans are responsible for climate change, denies that the Earth has gone through various climate change scenarios over thousands of years. What they have proven is that the current situation is FAR above the norm. The NASA graph shows you that you imbecile.

Actually the graph shows that you are the imbecile...you don't even seem to know what it shows...and you also seem blissfully aware that if you go on further back in history than that graph shows, you will see that prior to the ice age which the earth is in the process of exiting, CO2 levels were over 1000ppm. How did an ice age start with CO2 levels over 1000ppm?

 

[SSDD]

I see your a graduate of the Michael Mann School of deception... You tack on the thermometer record to a plot of 250-500 year data points... In other words your a liar and a deceiver.. And to do it with the CO2 record as well is funny as hell..

You use the 95 or 97 % consensus lie to boot....

Just another political hack drone without a real thought of your own..

You so haven't got a clue. It's hard to know where to start. Nobody, not even climate scientists who support the truthful and already proven notion that humans are responsible for climate change, denies that the Earth has gone through various climate change scenarios over thousands of years. What they have proven is that the current situation is FAR above the norm. The NASA graph shows you that you imbecile.

Clueless to the last.. I just blew your NASA lie graph to hell with real science.. (and NASA took a page from Mann in tacking on the current record to the end of the graph instead of averaging it into the resolution plot, as it should be) I demonstrated that our CO2 levels have ALWAYS FLUXED WITH TEMPERATURE CHANGE..

You lose... Care to try again?

He has no idea what you are talking about. He doesn't have a clue what his graph shows...much less that yours makes a mockery of his.. He picked his side based on his politics...and repeats what he is given from the accepted AGW propaganda sources..

 

[SSDD]

Hey don't believe me, talk to NASA. Hey, but don't worry! Apparently it's nothing to do with humans. Just the sun going through the motions (see the bolded part in the quote below - I know you losers won't read the whole quote, just so you know, the bolded part refers to pre 1950, not the current situation). Yeah, some right-wing neocon nimrods on a message board should be believed over NASA.

Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 650,000 years there have been seven cycles of glacial advance and retreat, with the abrupt end of the last ice age about 7,000 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20thcentury and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1

I know what that graph shows...and I know what it is meant to make people think....but I am interested...what do you think it shows...and what sort of evidence do you think it constitutes?

 

[SSDD]

Here is the last 450,000 years.. What you experience today is nothing compared to just one of earths glacial cycles, which last 90,000 years and a warm cycle that last just 9,000-14,000 years.. Were in the warm part of just one 130,000 year cycle and its nearing its return to glaciation.

BS. See my previous.

What is it that you think that graph shows?

 

[SSDD]

They dont do actual science... they do political crap intended to take away the rights of people..

And here we have it folks. Whackadoodle 101 and why climate deniers are fucking idiots.

Says the guy who can't even provide a single piece of observed, measured evidence that supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability..

 

[MindWars]

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You know how cults sometimes go up to a mountaintop awaiting Armageddon. They tell us that they are the only persons "sayved" and going to heaven.
THEN in the morning they go home dragging their tails behind them depressed because the world did not end and wondering why they had to sign over their wealth and property to their "leader" if the world was ending anyway??

----- Exactly like the "Climate Armageddon" gang. And the kids they are scaring with BS are no better. Somehow the solution is ALWAYS adding a tax (government revenue piles for politicians to spend) to utilities or whatever. then they pretend the problem is "solved" and move on to tax another "EVILLL" influence in the USA.
Which is only to feed their addiction to OPM----Other Peoples' Money.

Good find LOL

Population Control Is the Ultimate Goal of the Climate-change Cult

 

[Zorro!]

Climate Change Activists March in New York City – Leave Their Piles of Trash For Someone Else to Clean Up

Fly in and out on planes, use air conditioning, expect others to pick up their trash. They fool no one

 

[rjs330]

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You know how cults sometimes go up to a mountaintop awaiting Armageddon. They tell us that they are the only persons "sayved" and going to heaven.
THEN in the morning they go home dragging their tails behind them depressed because the world did not end and wondering why they had to sign over their wealth and property to their "leader" if the world was ending anyway??

----- Exactly like the "Climate Armageddon" gang. And the kids they are scaring with BS are no better. Somehow the solution is ALWAYS adding a tax (government revenue piles for politicians to spend) to utilities or whatever. then they pretend the problem is "solved" and move on to tax another "EVILLL" influence in the USA.
Which is only to feed their addiction to OPM----Other Peoples' Money.

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HEr handler and escort is a soros brainless useful idiot

YEP

Seriously...you are now equating a kid with Hitler Youth because she is concerned about climate change?

I guess there is no low to low.

LOL

Feigned outrage.. I love it.... The parents of the little girl are using her for their political agenda just as Hitler did with kids.. It is an excellent comparison as the outcomes they each want/wanted are the same, Total control over the populace...

Feigned outrage.... it comes easily to the brainwashed drama queen gays...A little to easily

Ya think we would learn from their own plans that the only way to save the earth from a made up crises IS only with crushing taxes and the higher cost of everything!!!IT is the only way to control the global climate or we will all die in white capitalist genocide !

Assholes comparing kids to Hitler because their knickers are in a knot over climate change. Get a grip guys. If you are so threatened by a teen you have to resort to Hitler you are beyond pathetic, you are laughable.

Yeah I'm not a fan of Hitler comparisons. It's just like those who want to compare the southern border to the German concentration camps. It's a bit much.

 

[rjs330]

Climate Change Activists March in New York City – Leave Their Piles of Trash For Someone Else to Clean Up

Fly in and out on planes, use air conditioning, expect others to pick up their trash. They fool no one

Yep very typical of the leftists Rally's.

 

[Weatherman2020]

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HEr handler and escort is a soros brainless useful idiot

YEP

Seriously...you are now equating a kid with Hitler Youth because she is concerned about climate change?

I guess there is no low to low.

LOL

Feigned outrage.. I love it.... The parents of the little girl are using her for their political agenda just as Hitler did with kids.. It is an excellent comparison as the outcomes they each want/wanted are the same, Total control over the populace...

Feigned outrage.... it comes easily to the brainwashed drama queen gays...A little to easily

Ya think we would learn from their own plans that the only way to save the earth from a made up crises IS only with crushing taxes and the higher cost of everything!!!IT is the only way to control the global climate or we will all die in white capitalist genocide !

Assholes comparing kids to Hitler because their knickers are in a knot over climate change. Get a grip guys. If you are so threatened by a teen you have to resort to Hitler you are beyond pathetic, you are laughable.

Yeah I'm not a fan of Hitler comparisons. It's just like those who want to compare the southern border to the German concentration camps. It's a bit much.

It’s 2019, everybody is Hitler.

 

[Zorro!]

Climate Hysteria Is Harming Our Kids.

Those of us who have been around awhile are used to constant fearmongering about the environment. My first-grade teacher handed out maps showing how a pollution-caused ice age would soon cover our Chicago suburb with a glacier. Mom eased the panic with a reminder we were moving to Phoenix that summer.

After that, acid rain was going to kill us, then the ozone hole, then global warming, then “global weirding,” and now, climate change. The climate has always changed, but progressives think it started a century ago.

Despite the wildly different scenarios, from freezing oceans to boiling ones, the solution is always the same: curtail capitalism and let government control more of our lives.

The young, unfortunately, don’t have our luxury of perspective. And it’s destroying their emotional health.

What Thunberg’s parents are doing to her borders on child abuse. Hyping increasingly apocalyptic claims is spreading that abuse to every other young person.

 

[Coyote]

Climate Change Activists March in New York City – Leave Their Piles of Trash For Someone Else to Clean Up

Fly in and out on planes, use air conditioning, expect others to pick up their trash. They fool no one

Or...fake it.

https://7news.com.au/news/climate-c...-rubbish-behind-in-sydneys-hyde-park-c-465028

 

[Dr Grump]

So lets see some of the "actual science". The climate and atmosphere are eminently observable, and measurable...lets see some of the actual science supporting the AGW hypothesis...a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variably is more than you can produce...so tell us about this actual science that they do...I'm all ears.

it's been posted ad nauseam. Can't lead the blind. It has been measured. And they have used modelling which IS a proven method. Scientists have used that method for generations and has proven reliable. The only way they can meet you standard of proof is by waiting literally 10s of 1000s of years and then collecting the data. I have already posted the NASA graph. As I reiterate, nobody - not even the most rapid climate change champion (as opposed to denier) denies that the Earth's temperature changes over millennia. None. But what they are saying - and has been proven to scientific probability - is that what is happening now goes beyond that.

At the end of the day, when a climate scientist comes on this board and gives me a breakdown on how the science is wrong, I'll go with the 97 %.......All you guys have are opinions and junk science. I'm not even going to get into the wing nuts who claim that scientists are doing it for shits, giggles and a pay check. I know plenty of scientists in various fields. While they do okay for a living, none are remotely interested in making themselves rich. We never once discuss their salary. All they care about is discovery, discovery and discovery. They are curious beings. Not capitalists.....

 

[Zorro!]

So lets see some of the "actual science". The climate and atmosphere are eminently observable, and measurable...lets see some of the actual science supporting the AGW hypothesis...a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variably is more than you can produce...so tell us about this actual science that they do...I'm all ears.

... They are curious beings. Not capitalists.....

You are asked for empirical proof and instead you offer what you think is evidence of purity. And you have no idea that empiricism has nothing to do with the outlook. And you wonder why this nonsense is dismissed as a crazed doomsday cult?

 

[Dr Grump]

You so haven't got a clue. It's hard to know where to start. Nobody, not even climate scientists who support the truthful and already proven notion that humans are responsible for climate change, denies that the Earth has gone through various climate change scenarios over thousands of years. What they have proven is that the current situation is FAR above the norm. The NASA graph shows you that you imbecile.

Actually the graph shows that you are the imbecile...you don't even seem to know what it shows...and you also seem blissfully aware that if you go on further back in history than that graph shows, you will see that prior to the ice age which the earth is in the process of exiting, CO2 levels were over 1000ppm. How did an ice age start with CO2 levels over 1000ppm?

And what caused those changes? Imbecile....

 

[Dr Grump]

I see your a graduate of the Michael Mann School of deception... You tack on the thermometer record to a plot of 250-500 year data points... In other words your a liar and a deceiver.. And to do it with the CO2 record as well is funny as hell..

You use the 95 or 97 % consensus lie to boot....

Just another political hack drone without a real thought of your own..

You so haven't got a clue. It's hard to know where to start. Nobody, not even climate scientists who support the truthful and already proven notion that humans are responsible for climate change, denies that the Earth has gone through various climate change scenarios over thousands of years. What they have proven is that the current situation is FAR above the norm. The NASA graph shows you that you imbecile.

Clueless to the last.. I just blew your NASA lie graph to hell with real science.. (and NASA took a page from Mann in tacking on the current record to the end of the graph instead of averaging it into the resolution plot, as it should be) I demonstrated that our CO2 levels have ALWAYS FLUXED WITH TEMPERATURE CHANGE..

You lose... Care to try again?

He has no idea what you are talking about. He doesn't have a clue what his graph shows...much less that yours makes a mockery of his.. He picked his side based on his politics...and repeats what he is given from the accepted AGW propaganda sources..

it has nothing to do with politics you moron. It's science. It's fact. What are you bona fides. You at least need to be some sort of scientist. Otherwise you're just another Deplorable whackadoodle on a messageboard