The Cave Question

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    If you’re a Tea Party conservative you gotta love the dilemma Karl Rove’s Republicans are facing. They cannot cave on defunding the ACA because caving will cost them dearly in the coming midterms and in 2016. Since the MSM is blaming them anyway they gain nothing by caving.

    Blame is taking the form of MSM scare tactics like the horror of not being able to visit the Statue of Liberty and a baby panda. I have nothing against pandas. Not so with Lady Liberty. The fewer people who visit the Statue of Liberty the better. See the OP in this thread:


    Here’s the cave question every one of Rove’s Republican should be asking themselves: Which one of the two is more likely to occur if I cave?

    1. Democrats will vote for me in 2014.

    2. Conservatives will NOT vote for me.
     
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    A few thoughts:

    ACA us the law of the land, passed by Congress and signed by the President. The fact that it was passed in hurried fashion by a single political party is interesting, but does not "void" the law or make it any less the law.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that the most offensive provisions of ACA are Constitutional. We "Tea Partiers" may think that Justice Roberts was full of shit in his opinion, but the USSC is the court of last resort, and our side LOST.

    If the Republicans ever take over both houses and the White House, they might be able to repeal or modify some portions of ACA, but they are not in that position yet.

    So simply throwing a tantrum because they don't like the law is NOT acceptable.

    They have a very large burden right now: They have to make a strong, logical argument to the American people for why they are JUSTIFIED in attempting to block this perfectly legitimate piece of legislation. There are many reasons, but the argument has not been made successfully - possibly because of complicity of the MSM with the Democrat National Committee.

    There WILL be a continuing resolution and it WILL fund ACA. It's just a matter of time, because to default on credit obligations is simply not an option.

    Unless the Republicans can explain why they are not just being Sore Losers, they will lose a lot of votes in the 2014 Congressional elections.
     
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    To DGS49: I understand your positions although I do not agree with your premise.

    Congress has the constitutional authority to repeal bad laws irrespective of Supreme Court rulings. The ACA is so bad that defunding is a necessary prelude to repeal. If it is not defunded before millions of parasites get tax dollar jobs they will make repeal all the more difficult through their unions and political activistism groups.

    The money Democrat candidates get from an increased parasite class will originate with tax dollars. That’s why Republicans must not cave. Hanging tough will win votes not lose them as you suggest.
     
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    You fail to realize that the bill that was signed into law is not the same bill being implemented therefore it is not actually legal.
     
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    Congress has a Constitutional duty to instruct the Executive Branch how to spend the people's money (i.e., Budget). The Executive Branch has NO constitutional authority to amend laws or decide not to enforce them (e.g., ACA).

    Comprende?
     
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    There is no cave question.

    Boehner is playing out the rope to the TPM so that it will hang itself when he saws off the limb on which they are standing.

    When he puts up the CR without amendments for an up and down vote, the TPM is left twisting slowly, slowly in the air.
     
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    To jwoodie: I’m not certain of the wording in you response. Example: Barack Taqiyya and congressional Democrats are trying to enforce a bad law. Are you trying to be clever, or is it your way of saying Democrats are responsible for the government shutdown?
     
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    Democrats are so obvious it’s apparent that Republicans are winning the blame game everywhere except in the MSM. Were that untrue the White House would not be pleading for sob stories:

    Democrats are so pathetic they shutdown WWII cemeteries in France as part of their sob story strategy:

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    Flanders Field in Belgium was probably shutdown, too, even though there can’t be too many voters still living who lost a loved one in WWI. No matter. WWI dead have sob story value.

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    When one calls fellow citizens parasites, one leaves the realm of principled discussion ... and ciivics.
     
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