The burden is on Putin

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Says the President of the United States of America, the UK, Netherlands, Maylasia and Australia agree, Putin pimps are not welcome in many nations:

Obama: 'Burden Is on Russia' to Push for Access to Jet Crash Site - NBC News
Obama: "What exactly are they trying to hide?" - CNN.com

U.S. analysts are examining phone intercepts, social media posts and information gathered on the ground to see what role, if any, Russian officials may have played, according to two U.S. officials directly familiar with the latest assessment who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the situation.
"We are trying to determine if they manned it, advised, or pulled the trigger," one of the officials told CNN.U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said there's no shortage of evidence that pro-Russian rebels shot down the jet.There's video of a launcher with one surface-to-air missile missing, imagery showing the firing and intercepted calls with rebels claiming credit for the strike, Kerry said."We know from intercepts ... that those are in fact the voices of separatists," he told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday. "And now we have a video showing a launcher moving back through a particular area there out into Russia with at least one missing missile on it."British Prime Minister David Cameron didn't mince words either on who was to blame. In an op-ed in The Sunday Times, he called the plane crash and its aftermath "an outrage made in Moscow."


The international community has ramped up pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin to allow investigators access to the site and the bodies of the nearly 300 victims of last week’s Malaysian Airlines crash. Armed pro-Russian separatists who control the area have "repeatedly" prevented investigators from doing their work, Obama said.

"All of this begs the question: What exactly are they trying to hide?" the president asked.

Borodai also told Cuomo that he believes rebels have retrieved the jet's black boxes, but that he couldn't say for sure because he is not a technical expert.
Earlier, Borodai said the devices are under guard in the region. They will not be given to Ukrainian officials, he said.Reuters distributed video Sunday of what appeared to be an inflight recorder found by a worker in a field. The agency labeled the video, shot Friday, as showing one of the two flight data recorders from Flight 17.
Some Malaysian investigators flew to the Ukrainian capital of Kiev on Saturday. But Malaysia's official news agency said they were still negotiating with rebels over access for their team.Law enforcement officials from the Netherlands, the United States and Australia will help with the investigation led by the Ukrainian government.
Two FBI agents have arrived in Kiev, a senior U.S. law enforcement official said. An investigator from the National Transportation Safety Board was also there.
 
I'm certain there will be additional economic pressure put on Russia, but beyond that unless Putin has the thugs that did this rounded up, nothing else is going to happen. The U.S. isn't going to go in and do anything, and neither will any other country.
 
To imply that the separatists are trying to hide something is dishonest----this happens to be their occupied territory in a war zone. Naturally they are going to guard this territory carefully.
 
I'm certain there will be additional economic pressure put on Russia, but beyond that unless Putin has the thugs that did this rounded up, nothing else is going to happen. The U.S. isn't going to go in and do anything, and neither will any other country.

No we cannot go in, but if enough countries stand with the US, the economic pressure will be felt. Putin is no longer a world leader, he is on the road to world pariah.
 
Its working, slowly, but surely:

Despite the stern tone of the Ukrainian and U.S. leaders, the spokesman for a team of European monitors at the site said conditions have improved since a chilly reception immediately after Flight 17 fell from the sky.
"Today we have three Dutch forensics experts with us, and they're getting pretty much unfettered access," Michael Bociurkiw, the spokesman for monitors from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, told CNN's Chris Cuomo.
The rebels even provided some perimeter security to keep journalists at bay, creating a "dome of tranquility" for the OSCE monitors, Dutch forensic experts and a handful of Ukrainian aviation experts now at the scene, Bociurkiw said separately in a briefing for reporters hosted by the Ukrainian Crisis Media Center.
Handling the remains
Rebels also were expected to allow a train carrying the remains of 251 of the 298 passengers to travel to the eastern city of Kharkiv at 7 p.m. (noon ET), according to Ukrainian Vice Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman.
Dutch forensics experts who inspected the train Monday were "more or less" satisfied with how the bodies were being stored," Bociurkiw said.
Poroshenko told Amanpour that the remains of 16 people were still missing. Earlier, the Ukrainian government issued a statement saying that 282 bodies and 87 "body fragments" had been recovered from the sprawling crash site.
Ukrainian government officials have said the bodies will eventually be taken to Amsterdam. Most of those who died in the crash were Dutch.
 
No. The Burden of Proof is Always on the Accuser.

Putin did not authorize the attack, but he is slow in helping track down those who did; the burden is on him to get up off his little butt & assist.
 
Putin did not authorize the attack, but he is slow in helping track down those who did; the burden is on him to get up off his little butt & assist.

Why? He doesn't owe anyone anything. You are all about forcing people to do what you think they should do, aren't you? Typical Xtian Behaviour.
 
To imply that the separatists are trying to hide something is dishonest----this happens to be their occupied territory in a war zone. Naturally they are going to guard this territory carefully.
They seem to be hiding the bodies. And they deleted social media posts acknowledging culpability.

They are certainly hiding something.
 
No. The Burden of Proof is Always on the Accuser.

Putin did not authorize the attack, but he is slow in helping track down those who did; the burden is on him to get up off his little butt & assist.

We will have to agree to disagree. Being a strategist of some kind--it is likely that it would be difficult to prove he authorized the attack. However, setting that aside---yes--the puppet master pulls the strings.

UN votes tomorrow---haven't heard exactly what they propose---the taking of territory--somehow it must be conveyed that is not going to fly. 'I am Putin--I do what I want'---well, maybe not.
 
Putin doesn't have to do squat........and Obama can't make him. ... :cool:


Those, whose only working knowledge of geo-politics and Russia comes from watching 'Red Dawn', would disagree with you......:lol:.

No nation standing with the USA is dicussing military action, just ISOLATION from their economies; Putin is whining but caving:D
 
Putin doesn't have to do squat........and Obama can't make him. ... :cool:


Those, whose only working knowledge of geo-politics and Russia comes from watching 'Red Dawn', would disagree with you......:lol:.

No nation standing with the USA is dicussing military action, just ISOLATION from their economies; Putin is whining but caving:D


I see you, like Obama, is still trying to seem relevant. :D
 

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