The Brexit Dividend - and so it begins

[Dr Grump]

I am just stating fact. Without integrating, the small and relatively wealthy European states would be prey to the existing and up and coming super states in terms of trade deals, regulations, standards, etc.

And therein lies the problem. The EU, or Common Market, as it was known back then was an economic deal. And most in Britain were happy with that. Now, it's turned into the bureaucrats in Brussels telling members of the EU when they can take a dump. And the rich countries, rightfully, resent it.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Private Eye

I have only just read about this. Brexit barriers placed in front of our most successful businesses. None of whom wanted to leave.
It seems a high price to pay in order to kick out a few "darkies".

 

[Decus]

The Scots look like they may be heading for another independence vote and with the UK likely to slip into recession it may not better for the Scots to leave. On the other hand Wales can only hope that the English are in a charitable mood - sadly the Welsh have no other options available to them.

Here is today's news:

"Britain faces the threat of a Brexit-driven recession, experts have warned, after the first snapshot of business activity since the vote showed it had been knocked sharply off course by the result."

UK Facing Recession Threat After Brexit Vote

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And where will the Scots get the money from to pay for the vote, as for the recesion wasnt that forecast 2 months ago ?

There are quite a few companies in England that are planning to move all or part of their operations to the EU. Scotland could be an excellent option for some of those companies.

Ireland not so many years was one of the poorest countries in Europe. The Irish opened their doors to businesses and lowered their corporate tax rate, turning Ireland into one of the more dynamic countries in Europe - Scotland could do the same.

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And then went bust because the EU pulled the plug on them.

How will Scotland leave the Union if they are told they cant have a referendum, it would be against the treaties they signed to become part of that union. They cant just hand back their membership without it costing them £millions

You might want to look into Ireland's recent history. The EU never "pulled the plug on them" as you say. Ireland's success in attracting international companies was and continues to be their strength. Ireland's banks got into many of the same residential lending practices that got US banks into trouble in 2008/2009:

"One of the key factors was a U.S.-style, easy-money real estate bubble, in which banks provided cheap credit to almost anyone who wanted to buy or build houses, dramatically hiking prices. The boom lasted for more than a decade, but when the global recession hit in 2008, home prices collapsed and people could not pay back their loans, imperilling the banks holding the debt. In recent years, the government borrowed more and more money to fund budget deficits in a weak economy."

Ireland's crisis explained

Thanks to Ireland's drive to attract international companies with advantageous tax rates, cooperation between business, government and universities and the ability to draw upon a qualified and skilled workforce, the residential lending crisis of 2008 is increasingly forgotten:

"The economy expanded by more than 9 per cent in the fourth quarter of last year and by 7.8 per cent for all of 2015, outstripping official and market forecasts and confirming Ireland as the fastest-growing EU economy."

"That is the highest level of growth in Irish gross domestic product since 2001, when it rose by 10 per cent and ushered in several years of hectic economic expansion. That ended with a banking crash which was caused by the bursting of a house price bubble in 2008."

https://next.ft.com/content/160b5652-e6bd-11e5-bc31-138df2ae9ee6

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And the EU did not help when it pulled the rug from under its feet and forced them into taking a loan from the eurozone/imf with strings attached. This led to the Irish economy going into free fall and the cost of living rising beyond most peoples means. So they left and came to Britain were many still are because it is cheaper to live here. The people in the north dont want to be ruled by faceless eurocrats that only want their money and land, which is why the Brits voted out when we had the chance. Strange how the EU gave the French and Germans money with no strings when they faced the prospect of going under in 2006 when the recesion first bit

It is true that Ireland initially refused an EU bailout but was forced to take it. The Irish wanted the banks senior bond holders to take a loss rather then putting the bank losses on the Irish taxpayers but the EU refused.

"Ireland was treated unfairly when its eurozone partners prevented it from burning senior bondholders in its bust banks during the financial crisis, the International Monetary Fund’s former mission chief to Ireland has said."
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"The current Irish government and the previous administration lobbied the European Central Bank and their eurozone partners to be allowed to renege on paying back unguaranateed senior bondholders in Anglo Irish Bank – the bank at the centre of the crisis that is costing taxpayers €30bn to wind down. But they were refused."

Ireland ‘unfairly treated’ over bondholders in bust banks - FT.com

"In Ireland’s case, the starting point is to recognise that it was irresponsible banks, not an overspending government or an underperforming export sector, that pushed the nation over the precipice in the late 2000s. It follows that what Ireland most needed from the EU and IMF in 2010 was not budget cuts and homilies on good housekeeping, but a clean-up of its banks to impose losses on creditors instead of taxpayers. The IMF acknowledged as much in a report released last week."

Ireland may be Europe’s comeback kid, but not thanks to Brussels - FT.com

You state in regard to the Irish: "So they left and came to Britain were many still are because it is cheaper to live here". Ireland's demographics have seen a rise in population from 2008 to 2015 (and before). The exodus you claim had little impact on Ireland.

You also claim: "...the Brits voted out..". It would be more accurate to say that England and Wales voted to leave, whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.

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[Phoenall]

And where will the Scots get the money from to pay for the vote, as for the recesion wasnt that forecast 2 months ago ?

There are quite a few companies in England that are planning to move all or part of their operations to the EU. Scotland could be an excellent option for some of those companies.

Ireland not so many years was one of the poorest countries in Europe. The Irish opened their doors to businesses and lowered their corporate tax rate, turning Ireland into one of the more dynamic countries in Europe - Scotland could do the same.

.

And then went bust because the EU pulled the plug on them.

How will Scotland leave the Union if they are told they cant have a referendum, it would be against the treaties they signed to become part of that union. They cant just hand back their membership without it costing them £millions

You might want to look into Ireland's recent history. The EU never "pulled the plug on them" as you say. Ireland's success in attracting international companies was and continues to be their strength. Ireland's banks got into many of the same residential lending practices that got US banks into trouble in 2008/2009:

"One of the key factors was a U.S.-style, easy-money real estate bubble, in which banks provided cheap credit to almost anyone who wanted to buy or build houses, dramatically hiking prices. The boom lasted for more than a decade, but when the global recession hit in 2008, home prices collapsed and people could not pay back their loans, imperilling the banks holding the debt. In recent years, the government borrowed more and more money to fund budget deficits in a weak economy."

Ireland's crisis explained

Thanks to Ireland's drive to attract international companies with advantageous tax rates, cooperation between business, government and universities and the ability to draw upon a qualified and skilled workforce, the residential lending crisis of 2008 is increasingly forgotten:

"The economy expanded by more than 9 per cent in the fourth quarter of last year and by 7.8 per cent for all of 2015, outstripping official and market forecasts and confirming Ireland as the fastest-growing EU economy."

"That is the highest level of growth in Irish gross domestic product since 2001, when it rose by 10 per cent and ushered in several years of hectic economic expansion. That ended with a banking crash which was caused by the bursting of a house price bubble in 2008."

https://next.ft.com/content/160b5652-e6bd-11e5-bc31-138df2ae9ee6

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And the EU did not help when it pulled the rug from under its feet and forced them into taking a loan from the eurozone/imf with strings attached. This led to the Irish economy going into free fall and the cost of living rising beyond most peoples means. So they left and came to Britain were many still are because it is cheaper to live here. The people in the north dont want to be ruled by faceless eurocrats that only want their money and land, which is why the Brits voted out when we had the chance. Strange how the EU gave the French and Germans money with no strings when they faced the prospect of going under in 2006 when the recesion first bit

The North voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU.
Get it right you stupid old racist.

You mean the 2 million from Scotland that bothered to stop drinking and vote. Those south of Hadrians wall voted to leave in vast numbers, as did the Welsh.


You are the stupid old racist, like most taffies with a chip on their shoulder

 

[Phoenall]

Private Eye

I have only just read about this. Brexit barriers placed in front of our most successful businesses. None of whom wanted to leave.
It seems a high price to pay in order to kick out a few "darkies".

Did you read it properly tainted as it says the EU are placing the barriers, NOT THE UK GOVERNMENT.


And it is not about kicking out a few darkies it is about stopping thousands of terrorists free access to our shores were they can kill innocent people as they are doing in neo marxist ran France.

 

[Phoenall]

And where will the Scots get the money from to pay for the vote, as for the recesion wasnt that forecast 2 months ago ?

There are quite a few companies in England that are planning to move all or part of their operations to the EU. Scotland could be an excellent option for some of those companies.

Ireland not so many years was one of the poorest countries in Europe. The Irish opened their doors to businesses and lowered their corporate tax rate, turning Ireland into one of the more dynamic countries in Europe - Scotland could do the same.

.

And then went bust because the EU pulled the plug on them.

How will Scotland leave the Union if they are told they cant have a referendum, it would be against the treaties they signed to become part of that union. They cant just hand back their membership without it costing them £millions

You might want to look into Ireland's recent history. The EU never "pulled the plug on them" as you say. Ireland's success in attracting international companies was and continues to be their strength. Ireland's banks got into many of the same residential lending practices that got US banks into trouble in 2008/2009:

"One of the key factors was a U.S.-style, easy-money real estate bubble, in which banks provided cheap credit to almost anyone who wanted to buy or build houses, dramatically hiking prices. The boom lasted for more than a decade, but when the global recession hit in 2008, home prices collapsed and people could not pay back their loans, imperilling the banks holding the debt. In recent years, the government borrowed more and more money to fund budget deficits in a weak economy."

Ireland's crisis explained

Thanks to Ireland's drive to attract international companies with advantageous tax rates, cooperation between business, government and universities and the ability to draw upon a qualified and skilled workforce, the residential lending crisis of 2008 is increasingly forgotten:

"The economy expanded by more than 9 per cent in the fourth quarter of last year and by 7.8 per cent for all of 2015, outstripping official and market forecasts and confirming Ireland as the fastest-growing EU economy."

"That is the highest level of growth in Irish gross domestic product since 2001, when it rose by 10 per cent and ushered in several years of hectic economic expansion. That ended with a banking crash which was caused by the bursting of a house price bubble in 2008."

Irish economy grows at 7.8% in 2015 - FT.com

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And the EU did not help when it pulled the rug from under its feet and forced them into taking a loan from the eurozone/imf with strings attached. This led to the Irish economy going into free fall and the cost of living rising beyond most peoples means. So they left and came to Britain were many still are because it is cheaper to live here. The people in the north dont want to be ruled by faceless eurocrats that only want their money and land, which is why the Brits voted out when we had the chance. Strange how the EU gave the French and Germans money with no strings when they faced the prospect of going under in 2006 when the recesion first bit

It is true that Ireland initially refused an EU bailout but was forced to take it. The Irish wanted the banks senior bond holders to take a loss rather then putting the bank losses on the Irish taxpayers but the EU refused.

"Ireland was treated unfairly when its eurozone partners prevented it from burning senior bondholders in its bust banks during the financial crisis, the International Monetary Fund’s former mission chief to Ireland has said."
....
"The current Irish government and the previous administration lobbied the European Central Bank and their eurozone partners to be allowed to renege on paying back unguaranateed senior bondholders in Anglo Irish Bank – the bank at the centre of the crisis that is costing taxpayers €30bn to wind down. But they were refused."

Ireland ‘unfairly treated’ over bondholders in bust banks - FT.com

"In Ireland’s case, the starting point is to recognise that it was irresponsible banks, not an overspending government or an underperforming export sector, that pushed the nation over the precipice in the late 2000s. It follows that what Ireland most needed from the EU and IMF in 2010 was not budget cuts and homilies on good housekeeping, but a clean-up of its banks to impose losses on creditors instead of taxpayers. The IMF acknowledged as much in a report released last week."

Ireland may be Europe’s comeback kid, but not thanks to Brussels - FT.com

You state in regard to the Irish: "So they left and came to Britain were many still are because it is cheaper to live here". Ireland's demographics have seen a rise in population from 2008 to 2015 (and before). The exodus you claim had little impact on Ireland.

You also claim: "...the Brits voted out..". It would be more accurate to say that England and Wales voted to leave, whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU.

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And being one nation it was the majority of Brits that voted OUT, just as the majority of Brits in Scotland voted to stay in the Union

 

[Phoenall]

I am just stating fact. Without integrating, the small and relatively wealthy European states would be prey to the existing and up and coming super states in terms of trade deals, regulations, standards, etc.

And therein lies the problem. The EU, or Common Market, as it was known back then was an economic deal. And most in Britain were happy with that. Now, it's turned into the bureaucrats in Brussels telling members of the EU when they can take a dump. And the rich countries, rightfully, resent it.

Not just the rich, but also the countries outside of the clique of Germany, France and Belgium

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Private Eye

I have only just read about this. Brexit barriers placed in front of our most successful businesses. None of whom wanted to leave.
It seems a high price to pay in order to kick out a few "darkies".

Did you read it properly tainted as it says the EU are placing the barriers, NOT THE UK GOVERNMENT.


And it is not about kicking out a few darkies it is about stopping thousands of terrorists free access to our shores were they can kill innocent people as they are doing in neo marxist ran France.

Of course they are . That is exactly the point. Brexit makes it harder for our companies to trade whilst dumping extra cost on the British taxpayer. Maybe they can take a chunk of that mythical £350m.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Rolls-Royce set to reveal £2bn write-down as sterling's plunge weighs

Even the brexit papers are waking up.

 

[Phoenall]

Private Eye

I have only just read about this. Brexit barriers placed in front of our most successful businesses. None of whom wanted to leave.
It seems a high price to pay in order to kick out a few "darkies".

Did you read it properly tainted as it says the EU are placing the barriers, NOT THE UK GOVERNMENT.


And it is not about kicking out a few darkies it is about stopping thousands of terrorists free access to our shores were they can kill innocent people as they are doing in neo marxist ran France.

Of course they are . That is exactly the point. Brexit makes it harder for our companies to trade whilst dumping extra cost on the British taxpayer. Maybe they can take a chunk of that mythical £350m.

And where is your evidence of that as I see it easier to trade outside of the EU now with no red tape stopping it. Maybe they can take a chunk of the Welsh M.P's wages ande the Welsh hand outs we wont be paying anymore when you leave the UK.
Just think tainted you will be able to employ all the darkies you want to do the Welsh peoples work, leaving the welswh with no jobs, no money and no housing...................

 

[Phoenall]

Rolls-Royce set to reveal £2bn write-down as sterling's plunge weighs

Even the brexit papers are waking up.

Wasnt Rolls Royce sold to a foriegn company making it no longer British, along with Mini, Land Rover and M.G ?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Private Eye

I have only just read about this. Brexit barriers placed in front of our most successful businesses. None of whom wanted to leave.
It seems a high price to pay in order to kick out a few "darkies".

Did you read it properly tainted as it says the EU are placing the barriers, NOT THE UK GOVERNMENT.


And it is not about kicking out a few darkies it is about stopping thousands of terrorists free access to our shores were they can kill innocent people as they are doing in neo marxist ran France.

Of course they are . That is exactly the point. Brexit makes it harder for our companies to trade whilst dumping extra cost on the British taxpayer. Maybe they can take a chunk of that mythical £350m.

And where is your evidence of that as I see it easier to trade outside of the EU now with no red tape stopping it. Maybe they can take a chunk of the Welsh M.P's wages ande the Welsh hand outs we wont be paying anymore when you leave the UK.
Just think tainted you will be able to employ all the darkies you want to do the Welsh peoples work, leaving the welswh with no jobs, no money and no housing...................

Read the article.

UK chemicals and pharmaceuticals companies export about £50bn worth of their products each year, with 60 percent going to other EU countries. A pre-Brexit survey carried out by the Chemical Industries Association found not one company that wanted the UK to leave the EU. The sector would ideally like business to continue as usual, with uninterrupted access to the EU single market.

Tell me where they make up that £30bn of lost sales.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Rolls-Royce set to reveal £2bn write-down as sterling's plunge weighs

Even the brexit papers are waking up.

Wasnt Rolls Royce sold to a foriegn company making it no longer British, along with Mini, Land Rover and M.G ?

Nobody is that obtuse.

 

[Phoenall]

Private Eye

I have only just read about this. Brexit barriers placed in front of our most successful businesses. None of whom wanted to leave.
It seems a high price to pay in order to kick out a few "darkies".

Did you read it properly tainted as it says the EU are placing the barriers, NOT THE UK GOVERNMENT.


And it is not about kicking out a few darkies it is about stopping thousands of terrorists free access to our shores were they can kill innocent people as they are doing in neo marxist ran France.

Of course they are . That is exactly the point. Brexit makes it harder for our companies to trade whilst dumping extra cost on the British taxpayer. Maybe they can take a chunk of that mythical £350m.

And where is your evidence of that as I see it easier to trade outside of the EU now with no red tape stopping it. Maybe they can take a chunk of the Welsh M.P's wages ande the Welsh hand outs we wont be paying anymore when you leave the UK.
Just think tainted you will be able to employ all the darkies you want to do the Welsh peoples work, leaving the welswh with no jobs, no money and no housing...................

Read the article.

UK chemicals and pharmaceuticals companies export about £50bn worth of their products each year, with 60 percent going to other EU countries. A pre-Brexit survey carried out by the Chemical Industries Association found not one company that wanted the UK to leave the EU. The sector would ideally like business to continue as usual, with uninterrupted access to the EU single market.

Tell me where they make up that £30bn of lost sales.

Selling to the EU as they are now, and fullfilling the water tight contracts they have to supply the goods. Imagine what would happen if the EU decided to tear up those contracts and give them to another company, the courts would be full of Lawyers chasing the EU for breach of contract and demanding massive sums of money as compensation.

Another know nothing like monte who would not even be given control of a toilet in the real world

 

[Phoenall]

Rolls-Royce set to reveal £2bn write-down as sterling's plunge weighs

Even the brexit papers are waking up.

Wasnt Rolls Royce sold to a foriegn company making it no longer British, along with Mini, Land Rover and M.G ?

Nobody is that obtuse.

You are with your stupid claims about the companies losing all the trade they have contracted to fulfil. Contracts that have clauses that make it illegal for the buyers to pull the plug and refuse to pay for the goods anymore.

You know nothing about bussiness practices do you and show your ignorance when you make remarks about the British economy. You have been 100% wrong in all this, and will be 100% wrong on it in the future. Making yourself look a complete moron, I would get out now while you are still respected by 2 or 3 members

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Dublin moves fast to lure financial jobs from UK after Brexit vote
This will come as a shock to the racist trash who voted brexit. Or maybe not.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And still the bad news comes.

Lloyds axes 3,000 jobs and blames Brexit
I hope that only people who voted brexit get sacked but I suspect that wont be the case.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

UK retailers report biggest fall in sales in four years after Brexit vote

Economy starved of money as people cut spending.

 

[Phoenall]

Dublin moves fast to lure financial jobs from UK after Brexit vote
This will come as a shock to the racist trash who voted brexit. Or maybe not.

How is it racist to vout exit again tainted, what race is being abused when the MAJORITY voted to exit the EU after seeing 55% of our laws being made by unelected eurocrats.


YOU JUST HAVE TO LIE TO PLEASE YOUR NEO MARXIST LEADERS AND STILL END UP LOSING

 

[Phoenall]

And still the bad news comes.

Lloyds axes 3,000 jobs and blames Brexit
I hope that only people who voted brexit get sacked but I suspect that wont be the case.

They have to blame someone for their greed dont they, after all they could not tell the truth and say they need to save money to pay the wages of the board members could they