The Birfer State Law Tracking Thread

[DiveCon]

Note the obnoxious "BirFer" in the title.

hey dipshit, if you want to blame someone for the term "birfer"

then BLAME ME
i coined the term because you fucking morons dont really give a shit where he was born nor do you deal with facts well

 

[Toro]

You're desperate to do what you can to keep pubic momentum from getting behind this issue. that's too bad, because these threads are only read by a handful of people anyway.

World net Daily is bigger and and more esteemed with a reserved seat at WH briefings. If you think that Toro The Great Message Board Participant can compete, then you're even more full of shit than I thought you were, and that's huge.

Everyone, Toro is not telling you the truth. Go to the world net daily links if you're interested in this story. No one is more dedicated to it than they are, and they're a real operation, not Skippy Toro, the Message Board Wonder.

You're such a lying sack of shit it embarrasses me that we share the same planet, asshole.

Well, you should leave the planet then.

You've given me an interesting idea.

 

[GStarz]

New Hampshire just threw its hat into the ring and joined the other 12. Not 'conspiracy theory", just a simple fact. Covered by World net Daily, an outfit esteemed enough to have a reserved seat at all White House news briefings, so this isn't coming from some corner somewhere.

13

Read about it HERE


The left appears to be making noise that all these laws are aimed at Obama, as though there is something wrong with that - as if it's unfair to regard the probable cause his suspicious fighting to keep the records secret as worthy of being addressed, when all Obama needs to otherwise do is pick up the phone for 2 minutes and order his lawyers to release the records.

If Obama doesn't have the records and took the Presidency knowing he didn't have the records, which will eventually be exposed by these new laws, he'll ruin the democrats for 50 years.

 

[Toro]

This thread should be in Conspiracy Theories.

 

[gekaap]

How is he fighting to keep his records secret when he's make them public? I hope that all 50 states pass such laws. That way the birthers will be silenced once and for all when he makes it onto the ballot in all 50 states.

 

[Toro]

Actually, this thread should be merged into the Birfer State Law Tracking Thread.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/156813-the-birfer-state-law-tracking-thread.html

 

[whitehall]

You have to show a birth certificate to get a freaking drivers license in most states. You can't get a security clearance without showing a birth certificate. The Constitution says a president must be born in the USA. Nobody ever envisioned a left wing conspiracy within the democrat party that would fail to ensure that Constitutional requirements for the presidency would be followed. Just show the damed thing Barry and everyone will be happy.

 

[Sheldon]

GTardz contribution to this thread: All the information in this thread, including direct links to the bills themselves and statements from the bills' authors and sponsors and analysis of each states' legislature count, is all wrong. But I am incapable of explaining specifically why. So for objective coverage, see WND.

 

[Sheldon]

Toro: the leftist ACORN propaganda agent by day, riverboat gambler by night

 

[Toro]

GTardz contribution to this thread: All the information in this thread, including direct links to the bills themselves and statements from the bills' authors and sponsors and analysis of each states' legislature count, is all wrong. But I am incapable of explaining specifically why. So for objective coverage, see WND.

lol

I owe you rep for that.

 

[del]

You're desperate to do what you can to keep pubic momentum from getting behind this issue. that's too bad, because these threads are only read by a handful of people anyway.

World net Daily is bigger and and more esteemed with a reserved seat at WH briefings. If you think that Toro The Great Message Board Participant can compete, then you're even more full of shit than I thought you were, and that's huge.

Everyone, Toro is not telling you the truth. Go to the world net daily links if you're interested in this story. No one is more dedicated to it than they are, and they're a real operation, not Skippy Toro, the Message Board Wonder.

You're such a lying sack of shit it embarrasses me that we share the same planet, asshole.

i'm not entirely sure you do.

we live on this place called *earth*.

fuckwit

 

[EdSchultzIsFat]

you need a birth certificate just to be a dishwasher or janitor in some employers.

 

[Toro]

The GA bill appears to be DOA. However, it probably would have been unconstitutional. For the birfers, note the opinion of the legal scholar at the conservative Heritage Institute.

By last Wednesday, 93 state House members had signed on as co-sponsors to Rep. Mark Hatfield’s so-called "birther" bill, which would make presidential and vice presidential candidates prove their citizenship to make the state’s ballot.

The next day, more than 20 had crossed their names off the list. Several more did by Friday afternoon.

That same day, an op-ed in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution by local attorney and anti-birther blogger Loren Collins took more wind from House Bill 401’s sails.

The bill would require presidential candidates to sign an affidavit saying they have never held dual citizenship. This means the bill would create requirements for president that don’t exist in the U.S. Constitution, Collins wrote:

"There is not and never has been any constitutional rule mandating that the president ‘has never held dual or multiple citizenship.’ This is pure birther fantasy, a nonexistent bit of pseudo law that an attorney such as Hatfield should know better than to promote." ...

We presented Hatfield’s argument to legal experts on U.S. citizenship. They agreed that Hatfield’s concept of "natural born" citizenship makes little, if any, legal sense.

"If that [the bill] passes in Georgia’s Statehouse, it will be challenged and it will be struck down as unconstitutional. I am 100 percent confident," said Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor.

Hans von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow with the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Hatfield’s bill contains a dual-citizenship ban that does not exist in the Constitution.

"It’s trying to add an additional requirement to the eligibility for president," von Spakovsky said. ...

Emory University professor Polly Price explained. The United States adopted the concept of "natural born citizenship" from the English, Price said. For nearly 180 years before the Constitution was drafted, people were natural born citizens of England if they were born on English soil.

This understanding was widely accepted in the U.S. during the colonial period. People born in a colony were considered citizens of that colony, Price said.

"It may be that some of the founders intended to include only birth on U.S. soil as their understanding of ‘natural born citizen’, but it certainly would not have included that their parents also had to be U.S. citizens," Price said.

PolitiFact Georgia | 'Birther' foe says Ga. bill gets Constitution wrong

 

[Terral]

New Hampshire just threw its hat into the ring and joined the other 12. Not 'conspiracy theory", just a simple fact. Covered by World net Daily, an outfit esteemed enough to have a reserved seat at all White House news briefings, so this isn't coming from some corner somewhere ...

This is much too little and much too late. The whole system is corrupt for allowing Bush and Cheney to stay in the White House and now an illegal alien foreign national from Kenya. This is truly disgusting and points to the corruption of the entire Federal, State and Local Governments all looking the other way; while the USA goes down the toilet.

Terral

 

[Toro]

In GA, the Government Affairs Committee did not add birfer bill HB401 to its agenda, making it almost dead.

In NH, the Republican President of the House opposes the birfer bill.

House Republican Office spokesman Shannon Shutts said O'Brien was withholding his position on the bill "to see what happens" when the Election Law Committee takes up the bill on Wednesday. The panel was scheduled to meet at 10:30 a.m. in Room 308 of the Legislative Office Building.

The change in the effective date makes the bill a bit less controversial since it would not take effect until after the 2012 primary and general election. But it still stirred bipartisan criticism and warnings that it could damage the credibility of the New Hampshire first-in-the-nation presidential primary.

House Majority Leader D.J. Bettencourt issued a statement opposing it. Shutts said Bettencourt opposes the proposal regardless of the effective date.

It is unclear how the committee will report the amended bill to the House floor. It may reported it ought to pass as amended, it recommend that it be inexpedient to legislate, but there is a strong possibility that panel will suggest that the bill be retained and then taken up next year.

"Personally I think it should move ahead, but now the leadership (Bettencourt, but not necessarily O'Brien) is making it clear they don't want it to," said Bates. He said the committee will make the decision.

Bettencourt said the GOP leadership "will strongly oppose this amendment should it reach the House floor. It is unnecessary and detracts from important business, namely our economy."

He also said the proposal "could represent a threat to our first-in-the-nation primary as it gives other states reason and desire to try to jump us in line. We are working to discourage this amendment from moving forward and will oppose it should it reach the House floor."

John DiStaso's Granite Status: 'Birther' bill effective date moved until after the 2012 election - Wednesday, Mar. 9, 2011

 

[gekaap]

Just show the damed thing Barry and everyone will be happy.

He already has!

 

[Toro]

The Republican President of the NH House opposes it.

John DiStaso's Granite Status: 'Birther' bill effective date moved until after the 2012 election - Wednesday, Mar. 9, 2011

 

[Toro]

New Hampshire is dead. The vote to kill it in committee was 18-0.

WEDNESDAY UPDATE: The House Election Law Committee has voted the so-called "Birther" bill inexpedient to legislate. The vote was 18-0 and came after an ammendment to set the effective date of the bill for 2013 was defeated 10-8. Watch for further updates shortly.

John DiStaso's Granite Status: House panel recommends 'Birther' bill be killed - Wednesday, Mar. 9, 2011

So let's update

* Arizona - One bill died in committee, another bill still alive.
* Arkansas - Bill introduced into the House but is unlikely to pass given that Democrats control both chambers
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee. Not officially dead but on life support, barely breathing.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Still alive.
* Oklahoma - Still alive. A bill got through the House last year in Oklahoma but did not get to the Senate
* Tennessee - Still alive.
* Texas - Still alive but unlikely to pass due to internecine politics within the Texas Republican party.

 

[GStarz]

New Hampshire is dead. The vote to kill it in committee was 18-0.

WEDNESDAY UPDATE: The House Election Law Committee has voted the so-called "Birther" bill inexpedient to legislate. The vote was 18-0 and came after an ammendment to set the effective date of the bill for 2013 was defeated 10-8. Watch for further updates shortly.

John DiStaso's Granite Status: House panel recommends 'Birther' bill be killed - Wednesday, Mar. 9, 2011

So let's update

* Arizona - One bill died in committee, another bill still alive.
* Arkansas - Bill introduced into the House but is unlikely to pass given that Democrats control both chambers
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee. Not officially dead but on life support, barely breathing.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Still alive.
* Oklahoma - Still alive. A bill got through the House last year in Oklahoma but did not get to the Senate
* Tennessee - Still alive.
* Texas - Still alive but unlikely to pass due to internecine politics within the Texas Republican party.

HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU A LIAR, SKIPPY! i mean, you are an off the chart liar. besides, why would someone spend all day here, every day, denying the citizenship issue is an issue and the laws will become law if they were right about both in the first place?!

This is spin and a little red meat for weepy libs who got America's collective boot kicked so far up their asses it will take surgery mankind does not yet possess to remove it.

World Net Daily's info disputes yours, skippy. they're legit and can be seen at white house briefings. you hunch over your keyboard all day long in lieu of an occupation like a no-life troll trying to lie these issues into non-existence. People should go to world net daily. Not only do you not count for lying, but you're an asshole for it, too.

A Free Press for a Free People

 

[DiveCon]

New Hampshire is dead. The vote to kill it in committee was 18-0.

WEDNESDAY UPDATE: The House Election Law Committee has voted the so-called "Birther" bill inexpedient to legislate. The vote was 18-0 and came after an ammendment to set the effective date of the bill for 2013 was defeated 10-8. Watch for further updates shortly.

John DiStaso's Granite Status: House panel recommends 'Birther' bill be killed - Wednesday, Mar. 9, 2011

So let's update

* Arizona - One bill died in committee, another bill still alive.
* Arkansas - Bill introduced into the House but is unlikely to pass given that Democrats control both chambers
* Connecticut - Died in committee
* Georgia - Died in committee. Not officially dead but on life support, barely breathing.
* Hawaii - Died in committee. Not really a birfer bill. Clever Hawaii legislators were trying to profit from the birfer nonsense by charging people $100 for birth certificate requests.
* New Hampshire - Died in committee.
* Indiana - Died in committee.
* Iowa - Died in committee. Can be carried over into next year. Doesn't appear to really be a birfer bill.
* Maine - Not really a birfer bill.
* Missouri - Still alive but effectively no longer a birfer bill.
* Montana - Died in committee.
* Nebraska - Still alive.
* Oklahoma - Still alive. A bill got through the House last year in Oklahoma but did not get to the Senate
* Tennessee - Still alive.
* Texas - Still alive but unlikely to pass due to internecine politics within the Texas Republican party.

HOLY SHIT, ARE YOU A LIAR, SKIPPY! i mean, you are an off the chart liar. besides, why would someone spend all day here, every day, denying the citizenship issue is an issue and the laws will become law if they were right about both in the first place?!

This is spin and a little red meat for weepy libs who got America's collective boot kicked so far up their asses it will take surgery mankind does not yet possess to remove it.

World Net Daily's info disputes yours, skippy. they're legit and can be seen at white house briefings. you hunch over your keyboard all day long in lieu of an occupation like a no-life troll trying to lie these issues into non-existence. People should go to world net daily. Not only do you not count for lying, but you're an asshole for it, too.

A Free Press for a Free People

so, please detail what he "lied" about in that post?