The big question about life on other planets: 1000000000000000000000 planets in the universe

[Flash]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

 

[Flash]

Life most likely came from elements that are abundant in the universe. We have no evidence to confirm it occurred only once.

So, you explain supernaturalism and how the Hindu gods (as opposed to your gods), supernaturally created life.

We understand chemistry and we understand biology. However, we don't know how chemistry turns into biology.

It may be common, or it may rare or it may only be unique to the conditions that existed on earth.

If it was easy to turn chemistry into life then every Jr High School science class would be doing it as a classroom experiment.

Until we get another data point we have nothing.

 

[Hollie]

Life most likely came from elements that are abundant in the universe. We have no evidence to confirm it occurred only once.

So, you explain supernaturalism and how the Hindu gods (as opposed to your gods), supernaturally created life.

We understand chemistry and we understand biology. However, we don't know how chemistry turns into biology.

It may be common, or it may rare or it may only be unique to the conditions that existed on earth.

If it was easy to turn chemistry into life then every Jr High School science class would be doing it as a classroom experiment.

Until we get another data point we have nothing.

You might be surprised to learn that there is a journal entitled, “Journal of Biological Chemistry”.

The Journal of Biological Chemistry

You might be surprised to learn that the science of biology relies directly on the science of chemistry in understanding how proteins are the building blocks of viruses, for one example.

Why bother with learning the process of chemistry into life when the science text of the Bible tells us everything we need to know?

 

[Hollie]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

 

[Flash]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

So you believe in magic?

The universe magically creating itself out of nothing?

Did Samantha do it?

 

[Hollie]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

So you believe in magic?

The universe magically creating itself out of nothing?

Did Samantha do it?

View attachment 315503

Why do you believe the universe created itself out of nothing?

That’s not the model that science points to.

Can you make a case for the magical creation of your gods and their magical creation of the universe?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This, according to some estimate, give or take quite a few zeroes I'm sure. A deeper philosophical question which goes beyond theology, though it certainly entangles it.

So, this number again, 1000000000000000000000 planets! According to The Institute of Astronomy at University of Cambridge. How many solar systems are there? | Institute of Astronomy

Putting the exact estimation aside. We would have to take a massive leap of faith to think that not only is there NOT other life in the universe, but, also of such existences, that there aren't many far more advanced than us.

Imagine a planet the size of Jupiter, 100's of billions of citizens. Imagine them not having our reptilian instincts of rage and violence, or developing weapons of war to be used against each other. Consider if they had the average brain power 250x that of our smartest humans, and existed for much longer, maybe lived on average 10000 years.

What would be the end result? Is there any religion that makes any consideration for this possibility (outside, I think Scientology)? It really is a daunting concept. We could be the most advanced by far, we might be Gods great creation. It would hardly seem we could be alone though based on the odds and even plain randomness.

There's no reason to think that life exists elsewhere. Yours is the leap of faith that expects, presumably, abiogenesis is possible. Abiogenesis is a pipedream.

There's no reason to think that life exists elsewhere.

There's no reason to think it doesn't.

Abiogenesis is nonsense, an impossibility.

Feel free to post your proof.

 

[Flash]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

So you believe in magic?

The universe magically creating itself out of nothing?

Did Samantha do it?

View attachment 315503

Why do you believe the universe created itself out of nothing?

That’s not the model that science points to.

Can you make a case for the magical creation of your gods and their magical creation of the universe?

After you boil down all the berries there are really only two possibilities. Either the universe magically created itself out of nothing or else there is some intelligent design to the creation.

You may spin that magic idea anyway you want but that is what it is.

I am not a astrophysicist but since I studied a little physics in engineering school I simply don't comprehend the idea of sumtin from nutin.

Maybe you could explain it to me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

So you believe in magic?

The universe magically creating itself out of nothing?

Did Samantha do it?

View attachment 315503

Why do you believe the universe created itself out of nothing?

That’s not the model that science points to.

Can you make a case for the magical creation of your gods and their magical creation of the universe?

After you boil down all the berries there are really only two possibilities. Either the universe magically created itself out of nothing or else there is some intelligent design to the creation.

You may spin that magic idea anyway you want but that is what it is.

I am not a astrophysicist but since I studied a little physics in engineering school I simply don't comprehend the idea of sumtin from nutin.

Maybe you could explain it to me.

I am not a astrophysicist but since I studied a little physics in engineering school I simply don't comprehend the idea of sumtin from nutin.

God works in mysterious ways.

 

[Hollie]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

So you believe in magic?

The universe magically creating itself out of nothing?

Did Samantha do it?

View attachment 315503

The universe being magically created out of nothing is aligned with Christian dogma. Science has a well developed theory about the beginning of the universe and the theory makes no appeals to magic or supernaturalism as religion does.

Classical laws of physics...such as Conservation of Energy only came into being after Planck time...fractions of a second after the big bang. Before that time, due to the immense density of the universe, we have no idea what "laws" prevailed. We only know that they begat the laws of physics as we know them today.

Not surprisingly, it is scientists, not religious institutions, who are studying and learning about the beginnings of the universe.


Why do you believe the universe created itself out of nothing?

That’s not the model that science points to.

Can you make a case for the magical creation of your gods and their magical creation of the universe?

After you boil down all the berries there are really only two possibilities. Either the universe magically created itself out of nothing or else there is some intelligent design to the creation.

You may spin that magic idea anyway you want but that is what it is.

I am not a astrophysicist but since I studied a little physics in engineering school I simply don't comprehend the idea of sumtin from nutin.

Maybe you could explain it to me.

If you had studied physics, you might have learned that science makes no appeals to magic as religion does. Science has a well developed theory about the "Big Bang". You can learn about that with some self-motivation.

So tell us about this intelligent design. It presumes magic and supernaturalism, right?

 

[james bond]

God works in mysterious ways.

Even this is explanable if one looks at this analogy the right way. If there was a flatland where two dimensional beings lived, then we would be able to place 2-D objects into it. We place a 3-D orange into flatland and it would become a 2-D circular object. We would have 3-dimensional objects that we can place into flatland, if such a place existed, and we can view it. Any 3-D object would be rendered into 2-D in order to exist there. Thus, for a supernatural being in the 4th dimension who can see space and time and have control over it, it would not be that difficult for him to put a 4-D object into our 3-D world. What's the catch? Although, many of us believe in a 4th dimension, we have no evidence of it existing.

Now that the multiverse hypothesis has been proven pseudoscience, we see the theoretical physicists such as atheist Brian Greene going to the multidimensional theory of strings. The wacko science and fairy tales continue despite the previously believed multiverse being destroyed. It doesn't matter, one couldn't see it nor see things pop into existence out of nothing, but the atheist scientists believed it with all their hearts. The ringleader, Stephen Hawking, is dead now and screaming his arse off 24/7 in his private part of Hades.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Hollie said life exists, therefore, abiogenesis occurred

Which is accurate. Welcome to the science section. It appears you are looking for the religion section, which is over there ->

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

After you boil down all the berries there are really only two possibilities. Either the universe magically created itself out of nothing or else there is some intelligent design to the creation.

False. Another option is that the universe has always been. Another is that it arose from the remnant of an earlier universe.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

God works in mysterious ways.

Even this is explanable if one looks at this analogy the right way. If there was a flatland where two dimensional beings lived, then we would be able to place 2-D objects into it. We place a 3-D orange into flatland and it would become a 2-D circular object. We would have 3-dimensional objects that we can place into flatland, if such a place existed, and we can view it. Any 3-D object would be rendered into 2-D in order to exist there. Thus, for a supernatural being in the 4th dimension who can see space and time and have control over it, it would not be that difficult for him to put a 4-D object into our 3-D world. What's the catch? Although, many of us believe in a 4th dimension, we have no evidence of it existing.

Now that the multiverse hypothesis has been proven pseudoscience, we see the theoretical physicists such as atheist Brian Greene going to the multidimensional theory of strings. The wacko science and fairy tales continue despite the previously believed multiverse being destroyed. It doesn't matter, one couldn't see it nor see things pop into existence out of nothing, but the atheist scientists believed it with all their hearts. The ringleader, Stephen Hawking, is dead now and screaming his arse off 24/7 in his private part of Hades.

Hey, Lucifer, where is your solar wind theory?

 

[Flash]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

So you believe in magic?

The universe magically creating itself out of nothing?

Did Samantha do it?

View attachment 315503

The universe being magically created out of nothing is aligned with Christian dogma. Science has a well developed theory about the beginning of the universe and the theory makes no appeals to magic or supernaturalism as religion does.

Classical laws of physics...such as Conservation of Energy only came into being after Planck time...fractions of a second after the big bang. Before that time, due to the immense density of the universe, we have no idea what "laws" prevailed. We only know that they begat the laws of physics as we know them today.

Not surprisingly, it is scientists, not religious institutions, who are studying and learning about the beginnings of the universe.


Why do you believe the universe created itself out of nothing?

That’s not the model that science points to.

Can you make a case for the magical creation of your gods and their magical creation of the universe?

After you boil down all the berries there are really only two possibilities. Either the universe magically created itself out of nothing or else there is some intelligent design to the creation.

You may spin that magic idea anyway you want but that is what it is.

I am not a astrophysicist but since I studied a little physics in engineering school I simply don't comprehend the idea of sumtin from nutin.

Maybe you could explain it to me.

If you had studied physics, you might have learned that science makes no appeals to magic as religion does. Science has a well developed theory about the "Big Bang". You can learn about that with some self-motivation.

So tell us about this intelligent design. It presumes magic and supernaturalism, right?

If you knew anything about science you would know that you can't make something out of nothing, which is exactly what this silly ass magic theory of the universe creating itself postulates.

One day there was nothing. The next day the universe magically creates itself. You know, like if Samantha wiggled her nose and it just happened. That is the silly crap you evidentially believe in. Not only does that not pass the sincker test but it goes against the Laws of Physics. You would know that if you ever took a college Freshman Physics class.

If you want to be believe in magic then fine. Go for it Sport.

 

[DOTR]

This, according to some estimate, give or take quite a few zeroes I'm sure. A deeper philosophical question which goes beyond theology, though it certainly entangles it.

So, this number again, 1000000000000000000000 planets! According to The Institute of Astronomy at University of Cambridge. How many solar systems are there? | Institute of Astronomy

Putting the exact estimation aside. We would have to take a massive leap of faith to think that not only is there NOT other life in the universe, but, also of such existences, that there aren't many far more advanced than us.

Imagine a planet the size of Jupiter, 100's of billions of citizens. Imagine them not having our reptilian instincts of rage and violence, or developing weapons of war to be used against each other. Consider if they had the average brain power 250x that of our smartest humans, and existed for much longer, maybe lived on average 10000 years.

What would be the end result? Is there any religion that makes any consideration for this possibility (outside, I think Scientology)? It really is a daunting concept. We could be the most advanced by far, we might be Gods great creation. It would hardly seem we could be alone though based on the odds and even plain randomness.

There's no reason to think that life exists elsewhere. Yours is the leap of faith that expects, presumably, abiogenesis is possible. Abiogenesis is a pipedream.

Actually, we know with 100% certainty that abiogenesis occurred because biological life exists. While the prayer leader at your madrassah may use the term "life from nothing", that's the fundie talkin'.

Shirley, you can make a better case for "the gawds did it". Just make sure you make a convincing case for your particular, supernatural gawds then move on to a convincing case for supernatural creation 6,000 years ago.

Thanks.

Then you explain where life came from...and why it only occurred one time.

Life most likely came from elements that are abundant in the universe. We have no evidence to confirm it occurred only once.

So, you explain supernaturalism and how the Hindu gods (as opposed to your gods), supernaturally created life.

Wait..life formed "from elements in the Universe"? "Most Likely"? LOL LOL

Ok.

 

[DOTR]

This, according to some estimate, give or take quite a few zeroes I'm sure. A deeper philosophical question which goes beyond theology, though it certainly entangles it.

So, this number again, 1000000000000000000000 planets! According to The Institute of Astronomy at University of Cambridge. How many solar systems are there? | Institute of Astronomy

Putting the exact estimation aside. We would have to take a massive leap of faith to think that not only is there NOT other life in the universe, but, also of such existences, that there aren't many far more advanced than us.

Imagine a planet the size of Jupiter, 100's of billions of citizens. Imagine them not having our reptilian instincts of rage and violence, or developing weapons of war to be used against each other. Consider if they had the average brain power 250x that of our smartest humans, and existed for much longer, maybe lived on average 10000 years.

What would be the end result? Is there any religion that makes any consideration for this possibility (outside, I think Scientology)? It really is a daunting concept. We could be the most advanced by far, we might be Gods great creation. It would hardly seem we could be alone though based on the odds and even plain randomness.

There's no reason to think that life exists elsewhere. Yours is the leap of faith that expects, presumably, abiogenesis is possible. Abiogenesis is a pipedream.

Actually, we know with 100% certainty that abiogenesis occurred because biological life exists. While the prayer leader at your madrassah may use the term "life from nothing", that's the fundie talkin'.

Shirley, you can make a better case for "the gawds did it". Just make sure you make a convincing case for your particular, supernatural gawds then move on to a convincing case for supernatural creation 6,000 years ago.

Thanks.

Then you explain where life came from...and why it only occurred one time.

Life most likely came from elements that are abundant in the universe. We have no evidence to confirm it occurred only once.

So, you explain supernaturalism and how the Hindu gods (as opposed to your gods), supernaturally created life.

You just disputed the modern Theory of Evolution which is based, correctly, on the supposition of universal common descent.

The Hindu gods didnt create life. Hindus believe life exists in and of itself with the gods as a result rather than a cause of the cosmos.

 

[DOTR]

Life most likely came from elements that are abundant in the universe. We have no evidence to confirm it occurred only once.

So, you explain supernaturalism and how the Hindu gods (as opposed to your gods), supernaturally created life.

We understand chemistry and we understand biology. However, we don't know how chemistry turns into biology.

It may be common, or it may rare or it may only be unique to the conditions that existed on earth.

If it was easy to turn chemistry into life then every Jr High School science class would be doing it as a classroom experiment.

Until we get another data point we have nothing.

It was a unique event as far as we know. Not only was it unique but it was apparently destined as we now know life formed almost as soon as oceans formed. Time is not a factor.

 

[Hollie]

Tell us again about this “fine tuning” thing the gods managed to get so horribly wrong.

Let's use Toddsterpatriot as an example. He believes in lies. His faith in atheism and atheist science makes him reject the fine tuning facts and how rough solar wind conditions could be. Moreover, he cannot even tell us what the other theories are to reject aliens. Everything that I taught him has gone in one ear and out the other. Otherwise, he would've produced evidence of aliens years ago and this thread would be over. Yet, I believe it will grow to over 100 pages because the atheists just gotta have aliens even with no evidence. Next, we be hearing they were wiped out by coronavirus.

The assumption is that chart is that there is life elsewhere. We have no idea if life exist elsewhere because we only have one data point and that is earth. Until we get another data point on life charts like that are meaningless.

Until we can confirm that life exist elsewhere then the most logical reason for us not being contacted yet is because there is nobody to contact us.

The Prime Directive. Intelligent ETs are here studying us so they can't contact us without screwing up our development. Besides they are so advanced, we have nothing to offer them.

The Prime Directive is a Hollywood created invention to sell entertainment.

Show me the money! Show me where life exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life exist outside earth.

Understanding your rigorous pursuit of the truth, I took the liberty of adjusting your earlier comments.

Show me the money! Show me where life the gawds exist outside the earth.

Until you can do that then the fact is that we have absolutely no proof whatsoever that life the gawds exist outside earth.

So you believe in magic?

The universe magically creating itself out of nothing?

Did Samantha do it?

View attachment 315503

The universe being magically created out of nothing is aligned with Christian dogma. Science has a well developed theory about the beginning of the universe and the theory makes no appeals to magic or supernaturalism as religion does.

Classical laws of physics...such as Conservation of Energy only came into being after Planck time...fractions of a second after the big bang. Before that time, due to the immense density of the universe, we have no idea what "laws" prevailed. We only know that they begat the laws of physics as we know them today.

Not surprisingly, it is scientists, not religious institutions, who are studying and learning about the beginnings of the universe.


Why do you believe the universe created itself out of nothing?

That’s not the model that science points to.

Can you make a case for the magical creation of your gods and their magical creation of the universe?

After you boil down all the berries there are really only two possibilities. Either the universe magically created itself out of nothing or else there is some intelligent design to the creation.

You may spin that magic idea anyway you want but that is what it is.

I am not a astrophysicist but since I studied a little physics in engineering school I simply don't comprehend the idea of sumtin from nutin.

Maybe you could explain it to me.

If you had studied physics, you might have learned that science makes no appeals to magic as religion does. Science has a well developed theory about the "Big Bang". You can learn about that with some self-motivation.

So tell us about this intelligent design. It presumes magic and supernaturalism, right?

If you knew anything about science you would know that you can't make something out of nothing, which is exactly what this silly ass magic theory of the universe creating itself postulates.

One day there was nothing. The next day the universe magically creates itself. You know, like if Samantha wiggled her nose and it just happened. That is the silly crap you evidentially believe in. Not only does that not pass the sincker test but it goes against the Laws of Physics. You would know that if you ever took a college Freshman Physics class.

If you want to be believe in magic then fine. Go for it Sport.

If you can't make something from nothing then explain where your gods came from. Or. do you react as other religionists and simply presume " but.... but.... but....but .... my gods get special exceptions....because.

I know it was identified earlier for you that science theories don't propose the universe as coming from nothing.

You're hoping to vilify a subject matter you have never taken the time to understand.

 

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This, according to some estimate, give or take quite a few zeroes I'm sure. A deeper philosophical question which goes beyond theology, though it certainly entangles it.

So, this number again, 1000000000000000000000 planets! According to The Institute of Astronomy at University of Cambridge. How many solar systems are there? | Institute of Astronomy

Putting the exact estimation aside. We would have to take a massive leap of faith to think that not only is there NOT other life in the universe, but, also of such existences, that there aren't many far more advanced than us.

Imagine a planet the size of Jupiter, 100's of billions of citizens. Imagine them not having our reptilian instincts of rage and violence, or developing weapons of war to be used against each other. Consider if they had the average brain power 250x that of our smartest humans, and existed for much longer, maybe lived on average 10000 years.

What would be the end result? Is there any religion that makes any consideration for this possibility (outside, I think Scientology)? It really is a daunting concept. We could be the most advanced by far, we might be Gods great creation. It would hardly seem we could be alone though based on the odds and even plain randomness.

There's no reason to think that life exists elsewhere. Yours is the leap of faith that expects, presumably, abiogenesis is possible. Abiogenesis is a pipedream.

Actually, we know with 100% certainty that abiogenesis occurred because biological life exists. While the prayer leader at your madrassah may use the term "life from nothing", that's the fundie talkin'.

Shirley, you can make a better case for "the gawds did it". Just make sure you make a convincing case for your particular, supernatural gawds then move on to a convincing case for supernatural creation 6,000 years ago.

Thanks.

Then you explain where life came from...and why it only occurred one time.

Life most likely came from elements that are abundant in the universe. We have no evidence to confirm it occurred only once.

So, you explain supernaturalism and how the Hindu gods (as opposed to your gods), supernaturally created life.

Wait..life formed "from elements in the Universe"? "Most Likely"? LOL LOL

Ok.

LOL LOL.