The 36-hour work week/3-day weekend

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    Yeah, I remember working with people who had 3 different jobs, because thanks to Unions, they were unable to work more hours at one single job. That's not a plus. That's a negative.
     
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    Your education of unions is minimal and possibly zero.

    Unions like Government can get out of control when unchecked. If this situation you speak of actually happened it was probably in the last few months and it's not surprising that you remember it...

    The attack on Unions and Corporations and Government are all EQUAL. All have abused their systems because the small minds in America have let them. The instant people end the bias in their brain they will start to learn more about all things politics related.

    Unions, Corporations and Government have all done good things and are all necessary in America. Abuse should be what the people are looking for..............To counter, I'd like you to post a thread about America without one of the three.

    If you don't allow people to unite, "United We Stand" is gone and the single person with the $$ owns you.
     
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    I don't believe that at all. No one owns me, and I have never been a part of a Union.

    Unions served a specific purpose for a specific situation, that no longer exists in America today.

    There was a time when mining companies, and similar, would build mining towns, and build a rail road to the town. Then recruit people to work at the mine, pay for a ticket to the mine, and build them a home.

    The problem was, they paid them in company dollars only redeemable at the company store. They couldn't get a horse or cart, couldn't buy a ticket out of town, and any money they saved was all company dollars useless anywhere else. They were literally trapped.

    The Unions served a purpose, to save those people from a trap.
    Is anyone today paid in company dollars? Is anyone trapped at a remote mining town, or anything similar?

    I have quit several jobs, and nothing has happened to me. I literally walked off two jobs, because the boss wasn't treating me well. Nothing happened. No one could stop me.

    This isn't Pre-78 China, where the boss actually does own you. The communist party says you work at X place. If you don't show up, the boss sends a note to government, and they come and drag you back to your job.

    We don't live there. In America, my next door neighbor was working for Honda. He decided he was going to start his own business, less they paid home more. They give him a little raise, he said it wasn't enough, they refused, he quit and started his own company. Now as a private contractor, he earns whatever he wants, and vacations whenever he wants.

    That's America. The boss doesn't "own" you, unless *YOU* decide you are owned. The people who are trapped, are trapped because they choose to be trapped. And that's all there is too it.
     
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    This is the predominant ethos of corporatism.
     
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    We speak in ways that illustrate the situation or the characters talked about best. Why you may ask ? It's because knowing a man's character first is the most important thing, then you will understand and know his actions afterwards. Sometimes companies understand that if they can keep their people economically dependent, then they can keep them from being able to make a move without it being devastating on them (the employee) for doing so if need too. They look for weaknesses in many ways, and these weaknesses can cause a person to be stuck if they are not careful in life. The more dependent you are, the more they love it. This is how they get people over time to hang around and put up with their bull crap, because an employee is actually to poor to leave or even to poor to attempt to leave, and so they just stay to the employers delight. This happens a lot in peoples lives, and that is sad.
     
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    But that's my point. There is no such thing as economic dependency. Chris Gardener was HOMELESS.

    According to you, his corporate job, should have kept him 'economically' dependent, and left him a low wage worker for life.

    Instead he runs his own company now, and is a multi-millionaire.

    Douglas Mcmillon, CEO of Walmart, started off minimum wage unloading trucks at a Walmart distribution center as a part time summer job.

    According to you, his corporate job should have kept him economically dependent for life, and left him impoverished forever.

    Instead he is now CEO of the company.

    David Abney, first person in his family to ever go to college, did so by working at UPS for minimum wage, at night unloading trucks. Poor, he couldn't afford to live in the dorm at his college, and instead slept on the couch of the Student Union building.

    According to you, his corporate job should have kept him economically dependent for life, and left him impoverished.

    Abney is now CEO of UPS.

    James Skinner, CEO of McDonald's, started off as a Assistant Manager Trainee. That's about $2/hr in 1971.

    Dan Rather, worked as a minimum wage CBS radio affiliate.

    Oprah Winfrey's first job was entry level news reader at a radio station. To this day, such a position pays $20K entry level.

    Carol Bartz, worked for 75¢ an hour, as a bank teller. She's now CEO of Yahoo.

    Brad Pitt, dressed in a chicken suit for a restaurant after dropping out of college. I'm sure that was a 'living wage' job.

    Cory Monteith, (Glee TV series) worked as a Walmart greeter.

    Madonna worked at Dunken Doughnuts.

    Jerry Seinfeld was a telemarketer.

    Kanye West did retail at The Gap.

    Ursula Burns, started off as an Intern at Xerox. The average starting wage of a Xerox intern today is $10 to $15 an hour. Burns is now CEO.


    There are literally hundreds of examples. Hundreds. And that's just the ones we know about. I have about a dozen from my own life, that I could tell you about.

    The point is this.... according to your belief system, none of these people could have ever been successful. All of them should have been 'economically dependent', unable to leave their low wage job.

    Yet it's simply isn't true. Just flat out, you are wrong. They can. And they do. That's all there is too it.

    You are only economically dependent, if *YOU* make the choice to be so. If you don't want to work, if you don't want to learn something new, if you don't want to strive to improve yourself, if you don't want to take the extra time, if you want to rather spend your time watching TV, playing video games, or just complaining on a forum somewhere.... yeah, you are stuck. But it's not the employers fault, it's yours.
     
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    They see Christy Walton and think "good for her" when she is worth $36.7Billion. They never do research and wonder why Wal-Mart managers are asked to hand out information on welfare when someone asks for a raise. Do you really think Christy "earns" all of that on her own or do you think she has a team that earns that for her? Are you stating that Corporations shouldn't pay the teams that earn that profit and we should keep giving them welfare so 1 (or a few)can get Ultra/uber/mega/beyond life rich?

    You know that the owner of Wal-Mart and McDonalds will still be MEGA rich if they pay their employee's a better salary correct? Minimal research will show you that...........but most let Fox News do the research for them....
     
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    I once had a 40 hour work week with a 3 day weekend: 4 days of 10 hours each, then 3 days off. Loved it.
     
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    I agree with you that people can break free from the grip, but like I said it is a mental sort of Jim Jones thing they pull on people, and sadly there are many who fall for it and think they are stuck for a while all depending. They finally break free as you say, but how long did it take before they realized they could ? If they felt trapped for say 5 years before they were finally free, then the corporation thinks well lets find another mullet and move on, but don't you know that he or she was an idiot, but we won't say that is what they say? Then they think man if we had about 300 more like that one, who are idiots just like the government is, well we would be filthy rich in a lot less time... How about the CEO's taking it upon themselves to do the right thing, and this instead of playing the economic dependency game for even one day against an employee ? Just do what is right, is it so hard to do anymore ?
     
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    The main thing we have to understand, re: the OP, is that it's absolutely vital that we all agree on the optimal number of hours to work each week and then pass laws to ensure that everyone falls in line.
     

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