The 2nd Amendment doesn't prohibit regulation...

[rightwinger]

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

Why?

Because the overwhelming number of homicides in this country comes from handguns. Handguns and dense populations do not mix.

 

[rightwinger]

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

No one seeks to ban all firearms, unlike most on the right who seek to ban abortions, in violation of the Constitution.

Yes you anti-gun nutters do, Ar15’s and the like are just sporting rifles... more people are killed by people using hammers every year than Ar15’s.

Hammers have a use in our society

The only purpose of an AR-15 is to slaughter children

 

[skews13]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

The phrase is "well-regulated militia", not "militia with well-regulated weapons".

All of the words matter, not just the ones you like.

This isn't a debate scooter. The Supreme Court has already ruled in Heller, that the states do have the absolute power to regulate guns.

You lost this debate a long time ago.

The NRA in there arrogance thought they could spend millions to challenge the law, which the court promptly turned them down, and all of those regulations stand in place.

Now you have a new generation with the voting numbers to make those regulations even stiffer, and if they vote in the people they want, and the people who are currently refusing to do so out, they are going to get that done, and there isn't thing one you can do about it but whine like a little bitch on usmb.

See you down the road at the voting polls scooter.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

New York's gun laws are perfectly Constitutional; laws seeking to ban abortion are not.

 

[Rustic]

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

No one seeks to ban all firearms, unlike most on the right who seek to ban abortions, in violation of the Constitution.

Yes you anti-gun nutters do, Ar15’s and the like are just sporting rifles... more people are killed by people using hammers every year than Ar15’s.

Hammers have a use in our society

The only purpose of an AR-15 is to slaughter children

Na, prairie dogs must be eradicated… They carry the Black Plague

 

[jillian]

a well-regulated militia, dum dum

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion

Progressives Will never be able to interpret the Second Amendment right, it’s beyond their understanding…

I think it's actually just that it says something they don't want to acknowledge, and it's never going to say what they want.

What they want is the 2nd amendment gone, but they know that will never happen. So they pretend it means something else besides RKBA in an attempt to nullify it via court actions.

Ironically, the fact they have to use end runs around it proves they know exactly what it means, because of their desire to repeal it.

what you make up in your little mind is silly.

 

[Rustic]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

The phrase is "well-regulated militia", not "militia with well-regulated weapons".

All of the words matter, not just the ones you like.

This isn't a debate scooter. The Supreme Court has already ruled in Heller, that the states do have the absolute power to regulate guns.

You lost this debate a long time ago.

The NRA in there arrogance thought they could spend millions to challenge the law, which the court promptly turned them down, and all of those regulations stand in place.

Now you have a new generation with the voting numbers to make those regulations even stiffer, and if they vote in the people they want, and the people who are currently refusing to do so out, they are going to get that done, and there isn't thing one you can do about it but whine like a little bitch on usmb.

See you down the road at the voting polls scooter.

In the red areas we don’t have to worry about violent criminals, they flock to the blue areas.

 

[jillian]

not even the 1st amendment, which the founders saw as probably the cornerstone of democracy, is "absolutely".

this is the problem with rightiwngnuts.

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

like everything else you post, you're wrong.

we live in NY and have guns. legal guns. after background checks and getting licensed and meeting the requirements of the municipality.

or do you think wife-beaters should have guns, dearie?

no one is ignoring the 2nd amendment. the only limitation on the 2nd is a ban. silly boy.

 

[jillian]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

The phrase is "well-regulated militia", not "militia with well-regulated weapons".

All of the words matter, not just the ones you like.

This isn't a debate scooter. The Supreme Court has already ruled in Heller, that the states do have the absolute power to regulate guns.

You lost this debate a long time ago.

The NRA in there arrogance thought they could spend millions to challenge the law, which the court promptly turned them down, and all of those regulations stand in place.

Now you have a new generation with the voting numbers to make those regulations even stiffer, and if they vote in the people they want, and the people who are currently refusing to do so out, they are going to get that done, and there isn't thing one you can do about it but whine like a little bitch on usmb.

See you down the road at the voting polls scooter.

In the red areas we don’t have to worry about violent criminals, they flock to the blue areas.

that's a lie, little NRA shill...

States with the most (and least) gun violence. See where your state stacks up.

Alaska has the most gun violence
Massachusetts least.

now quiet, loon.

 

[jillian]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

So do you have specific excampls on what the NRA did or are you just repeating what you herd on the news? Please show us one instance where the NRA existing enabled a mass shooting.

oh lookie.... another trumptroll

 

[Rustic]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

The phrase is "well-regulated militia", not "militia with well-regulated weapons".

All of the words matter, not just the ones you like.

This isn't a debate scooter. The Supreme Court has already ruled in Heller, that the states do have the absolute power to regulate guns.

You lost this debate a long time ago.

The NRA in there arrogance thought they could spend millions to challenge the law, which the court promptly turned them down, and all of those regulations stand in place.

Now you have a new generation with the voting numbers to make those regulations even stiffer, and if they vote in the people they want, and the people who are currently refusing to do so out, they are going to get that done, and there isn't thing one you can do about it but whine like a little bitch on usmb.

See you down the road at the voting polls scooter.

In the red areas we don’t have to worry about violent criminals, they flock to the blue areas.

that's a lie, little NRA shill...

States with the most (and least) gun violence. See where your state stacks up.

Alaska has the most gun violence
Massachusetts least.

now quiet, loon.

Na, The red areas are the least violent. Because there’s no progressives controlled areas there...
Go by county it’s more accurate... the blue areas violence, the red not so much. Lol

 

[Crixus]

In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.

The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia

Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.

Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

So do you have specific excampls on what the NRA did or are you just repeating what you herd on the news? Please show us one instance where the NRA existing enabled a mass shooting.

oh lookie.... another trumptroll

Why ? I just asked for an excample of the NRA enabling a mass shooter. Maybe a piece of legislation? Or maybe one of their cool new black and white ads? Maybe you have one?

 

[martybegan]

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

Why?

Because the overwhelming number of homicides in this country comes from handguns. Handguns and dense populations do not mix.

Got any data to back that up?

So what is a person in a dense population supposed to defend themselves with?

 

[martybegan]

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

Let Alabama decide how much abortion regulation is best for their State, right?

Again, why can NYC decide to make me wait 3-6 months and pay $600 in fees for a handgun?

Answer the question.

And your wyoming quip would make more sense if long bolt action rifles were the target of this law, but they are not, and they are actually easier to get, but far more dangerous to a person's neighbors.

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

No one seeks to ban all firearms, unlike most on the right who seek to ban abortions, in violation of the Constitution.

Yes you anti-gun nutters do, Ar15’s and the like are just sporting rifles... more people are killed by people using hammers every year than Ar15’s.

Hammers have a use in our society

The only purpose of an AR-15 is to slaughter children

The only purpose of an AR-15 is to send a projectile in the direction it's user wants it to go via combustive gas expansion.

 

[martybegan]

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

New York's gun laws are perfectly Constitutional; laws seeking to ban abortion are not.

How is a 3-6 month waiting period and $600 in fees not infringement?

Again, not a ban, lets say a 1 week waiting period for an abortion and a $100 fee.

 

[martybegan]

The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.

Commas mean things.

that isn't how it was written and isn't how it was intented. and every judge until scalia knew that.

but we can pretend.

either way, even wacky Heller says only total bans are outlawed.

funny how wackos think guns are more important than free speech and freedom of religion

Progressives Will never be able to interpret the Second Amendment right, it’s beyond their understanding…

I think it's actually just that it says something they don't want to acknowledge, and it's never going to say what they want.

What they want is the 2nd amendment gone, but they know that will never happen. So they pretend it means something else besides RKBA in an attempt to nullify it via court actions.

Ironically, the fact they have to use end runs around it proves they know exactly what it means, because of their desire to repeal it.

what you make up in your little mind is silly.

Non-response noted.

 

[martybegan]

Sorry, Princess, the 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone upon which all other inalienable rights depend.

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

like everything else you post, you're wrong.

we live in NY and have guns. legal guns. after background checks and getting licensed and meeting the requirements of the municipality.

or do you think wife-beaters should have guns, dearie?

no one is ignoring the 2nd amendment. the only limitation on the 2nd is a ban. silly boy.

Do you live in NYC?

And again, what about Alabama requiring a 1 week waiting period and $100 fee for an abortion?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Shall not be infringed.....

Infringed, not a synonym for regulation.

Shall not be infringed..regulation would be an infringement

The Supreme Court disagrees with you and their opinion is the only one that counts

I repeat, you're clueless. Now run along and give someone else a headache

Let me give you some sage advice.

Stop going through life stupid.

Let me give YOU some sage advice.

Stop thinking anyone wants your advice.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Shall not be infringed.....

Well regulated

All of the words matter not just the ones you like

The phrase is "well-regulated militia", not "militia with well-regulated weapons".

All of the words matter, not just the ones you like.

This isn't a debate scooter. The Supreme Court has already ruled in Heller, that the states do have the absolute power to regulate guns.

You lost this debate a long time ago.

The NRA in there arrogance thought they could spend millions to challenge the law, which the court promptly turned them down, and all of those regulations stand in place.

Now you have a new generation with the voting numbers to make those regulations even stiffer, and if they vote in the people they want, and the people who are currently refusing to do so out, they are going to get that done, and there isn't thing one you can do about it but whine like a little bitch on usmb.

See you down the road at the voting polls scooter.

This absolutely IS fucking a debate, "Scooter", because the Supreme Court has said a lot of things in its history that were wrong. AND because you leftist tyrants never consider ANYTHING to be the last word on a subject when it's not the word you want, so why should we? AND because we know you aren't going to drop YOUR side of the fight until all guns are outlawed. AND because this is America, and the First Amendment guarantees all of us the right to have opinions and disagree with any branch of the fucking government we want to, up to and including the "sainted" Supreme Court.

So if you can't handle the questions, admit it. But don't try to tell me I don't have the right to ask them.

 

[Cecilie1200]

BS.... the 2nd was to help you DEFEND the government as part of a WELL-ORGANIZED MILITIA.\

it was never intended for a bunch of insane yahoos to use it against the gubmint.... if it were, the only criminal act defined in the constitution wouldn't be treason.

and again, even nutty Scalia said that guns could be regulated.... just not totally banned.

you're welcome.

Regulated does not mean "pass laws that on the books allow gun ownership, but in reality make it so impossible no one really tries"

That's what NYC has done with handguns, and why we don't trust assholes like you when all you say you want is "regulation"

NYC has decided what gun regulations work best in their unique environment

It seems to be working

They have had the same law on the books since the 60's.

It didn't work during the 70's 80's and early 90's that's for sure. Correlation is not causation, and during that period you didn't even haven correlation.

And if NYC can, in your opinion, ignore the 2nd amendment by asking for that waiting period and asking for those fees, why can't Alabama put a 1 week wait on abortions and a $100 fee for one?

Let NYC decide how much gun regulation is best for their city

The gun rights of someone in Wyoming whose closest neighbor is a mile away does not need to apply to NYC who has a population bigger than the State of Wyoming in one square mile

New York's gun laws are perfectly Constitutional; laws seeking to ban abortion are not.

And a unicorn just flew past your window, farting rainbow glitter.