Thanksgiving Thru The Eyes Of Our Founders

[NYcarbineer]

I couldn't have ordered a better example of the sort of government school grad I described in the OP!

Thanks so much for the verification.

Now...to dispel the ignorance with which you've been steeped.....

1. "The Pilgrims found most of the nearby Indian villages recently abandoned. Of the 3,000 or so Massachuset Indians living in the area in 1614, their number had been reduced to less than 800 by the time the Pilgrims arrived. Another people living in the area were the Wampanoag – whose language, like the Powhatan, Pamunkey and Massachuset, was a branch of Algonquin. Disease had killed as many as 90 percent of the Wampanoag between 1616 and 1618, leaving around 1,200 who were in need of allies against hostile neighboring tribes."
Puritans to the Massachusetts Area

2. And here is one reason that the Pilgrims believed that their adventure had been blessed by God:
"Hardly four months after the Mayflower reached Plymouth Rock.... an Indian reaches your outpost... he opens his mouth. He speaks English! More amazing, he does so with a British accent and the demeanor of someone who had lived and worked among England’s elite.... a Patuxet Indian, associated with the Wampanoag... lured ...onto [a British] ship, ostensibly to discuss the beaver trade. Instead, as Mayflower History.com explains, Hunt kidnapped them to sell them into slavery....“most dishonestly, and inhumanely, for their kind usage of me and all our men, carried them with him to Malaga, and there for a little private gain sold those silly savages for rials of eight.”

... However, local friars sabotaged his scheme. They gained custody of, freed, and Catholicized the remaining Indians, including Squanto. Squanto somehow talked his way to London... Squanto soon found himself bound for Newfoundland,... In 1619, ... Squanto crossed the Atlantic yet again. Destination: Plymouth. To Squanto’s horror, a suspected smallpox outbreak had annihilated his village. Squanto moved in with the nearby Wampanoag, including its leaders, Massasoit and Squanto’s brother Quadequina."
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...dly-indian-who-dazzled-pilgrims-deroy-murdock


Never learned that in hate school, huh?


Perhaps later I'll teach you to understand land ownership, and the results of diseases in North America.

Do you take that apologetic attitude towards North Korea invading the South?

 

[Mudda]

 

[NYcarbineer]

Government school grads have been taught that Founders were terrible crotchety old white slavers who were anti-religion and responsible all sorts of evil in the world.

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Actually those white slaver guys used the Bible to justify slavery. Barring a definitive ruling from the supernatural invisible unrevealed character known as 'God',

who knows? Maybe the white slave guys got the Bible right....hmmmm????

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ran out of Liberal myths for me to dismantle???

Nuts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Government school grads have been taught that Founders were terrible crotchety old white slavers who were anti-religion and responsible all sorts of evil in the world.

.

Actually those white slaver guys used the Bible to justify slavery. Barring a definitive ruling from the supernatural invisible unrevealed character known as 'God',

who knows? Maybe the white slave guys got the Bible right....hmmmm????

Quite the opposite.

It is religion that ended slavery, with the quotation from Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

1. Usually, the ‘Founders’ refers to these six: Madison, Jefferson and Washington, Adams, Hamilton, and Franklin.
   1. The three non-Southerners worked tirelessly against slavery.
   2. While reading Ron Chernow’s book Alexander Hamilton I found out that Hamilton was a strong advocate for the abolition of slavery. During the 1780s, Hamilton was one of the founders of the New York Society for Promoting the Manumission of Slaves, which was instrumental in the abolition of slavery in the state of New York. After reading about Alexander Hamilton’s work for the New York Manumission Society, I gained a greater appreciation of Alexander Hamiltonhttp://angelolopez.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/alexander-hamilton-and-the-new-york-manumission-society/
   3. Many of the other Founding Fathers were activists like Alexander Hamilton. In 1787 Benjamin Franklin agree to serve as president of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society, which set out to abolish slavery and set up programs to help freed slaves to become good citizens and improve the conditions of free African Americans. On February 12, 1790, Benjamin Franklin and the Pennsylvania Abolition Society presented a petition to the House of Representatives calling for the federal government to take steps for the gradual abolition of slavery and end the slave trade. As a young lawyer, Thomas Jefferson represented a slave in court attempting to be set free and during the 1770s and 1780s, Jefferson had many several attempts to pass legislation to gradually abolish slavery and end the slave trade. John Jay was the first president of the New York Manumission Society and was active in Society’s efforts to abolish slavery. Ibid.

An excellent read on the matter is a brilliant book called Miracle in Philadelphia, by Catherine Drinker Bowen, which recounts the actual history and debates around the Constitutional Convention in 1787.


But, then....you don't read books: you're a Liberal.

 

[Mudda]

 

[PoliticalChic]

I love it!!!

Another Liberal 'hate America' myth!!!!


Ready: there was no such genocide.


1.There is the romanticized, if slanderous view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims.

It is a myth that finds a home among America haters, who attempt to use slander of the settlers as a proxy for slandering today's Americans


2. Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”

No such thing happened.


3. Guenter Lewy (born 1923,Germany) is an author and historian, and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".



4. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20thCentury, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census. Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.



The only way one can claim the disease induced deaths of the natives was a "genocide" is by also attributing the deaths in Europe from the Black Plague as a genocide, as well.


Go ahead.....the plague began in Egypt....so you'll have to claim it was an Arab genocide against Europeans.




Next?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Thanksgiving Trivia contest question of the day:

What were the first English words by an Indian to the Pilgrims????



Ready?

"Believe it or not, the first words ever spoken by a Native American to the Mayflower Pilgrims was not "How." It was "Have you got any beer?" The strange but true "First Thanksgiving Story" not told in your History book and Sunday School lesson.


"Welcome!" he suddenly boomed, in a deep, resonant voice. The Pilgrims were too startled to speak. At length they replied with as much gravity as they could muster: "Welcome."

Their visitor fixed them with a piercing stare. "Have you got any beer?" he asked them in flawless English. If they were surprised before, they were astounded now.

"Beer?" one of them managed.

The Indian nodded.

The Pilgrims looked at one another, then turned back to him. "Our beer is gone. Would you like ... some brandy?"

Again the Indian nodded.

They brought him some brandy, and a biscuit with butter and cheese, and then some pudding and a piece of roast duck.

His name was Samoset. He was a sagamore (or chief) of the Algonquins... "
History Lesson "Have You Got Any Beer?"

 

[NYcarbineer]

I love it!!!

Another Liberal 'hate America' myth!!!!


Ready: there was no such genocide.


1.There is the romanticized, if slanderous view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims.

It is a myth that finds a home among America haters, who attempt to use slander of the settlers as a proxy for slandering today's Americans


2. Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”

No such thing happened.


3. Guenter Lewy (born 1923,Germany) is an author and historian, and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".



4. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20thCentury, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census. Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.



The only way one can claim the disease induced deaths of the natives was a "genocide" is by also attributing the deaths in Europe from the Black Plague as a genocide, as well.


Go ahead.....the plague began in Egypt....so you'll have to claim it was an Arab genocide against Europeans.




Next?

"The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous...' Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman


"We took away their country and their means of support, broke up their mode of living, their habits of life, introduced disease and decay among them and it was for this and against this they made war. Could anyone expect less?"[46] ”
— Gen. Philip H. Sheridan

Cultural clashes between European settlers and Natives lasted for over four hundred years – small battles, large scale wars and forced labor systems on large estates, also known as encomiendas – took a large toll on the Native population.

Throughout the Northeast, proclamations to create ‘redskins’, or scalps of Native Americans, were common during war and peace times. According to the 1775 Phips Proclamation in Massachusetts, King George II of Britain called for “subjects to embrace all opportunities of pursuing, captivating, killing and destroying all and every of the aforesaid Indians.”

Colonists were paid for each Penobscot Native they killed – fifty pounds for adult male scalps, twenty-five for adult female scalps, and twenty for scalps of boys and girls under age twelve. These proclamations explicitly display the settlers’ “intent to kill”, a major indicator of genocidal acts.

Atrocities Against Native Americans - United to End Genocide

 

[PoliticalChic]

Government school grads have been taught that Founders were terrible crotchety old white slavers who were anti-religion and responsible all sorts of evil in the world.

This day, more than any other, is a refutation of that worldview.
It even brings out the American in Obama....


1. "President Obama, in his Thanksgiving message this year, quotes George Washington’s phrase — “providence of Almighty God” — as the object of our national gratitude. It is a reminder of to whom thanks are being given today. It is also part of a long tradition, going back to Washington, who issued his first Thanksgiving proclamation on October 3, 1789, here at New York City. He noted that Congress had requested he recommend “a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God.”

2. John Adams, ...“the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God” and that “the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him, but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety without which social happiness can not exist nor the blessings of a free government be enjoyed,”.....

3. ...James Madison, who set aside January 12, 1815, as “a day on which all may have an opportunity of voluntarily offering at the same time in their respective religious assemblies their humble adoration to the Great Sovereign of the Universe,....

4. Lincoln issued four Thanksgiving proclamations, two of which — in 1862 and 1863 — made reference to a divine role in Union military victories. In 1864, he set apart the last Thursday in November “as a day which I desire to be observed by all my fellow-citizens, wherever they may then be, as a day of thanksgiving and praise to Almighty God, the beneficent Creator and Ruler of the Universe.”

5. Similarly pointed references to God were made by Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who, like Lincoln, recognized God as an ally.....

6. President Truman was, in 1950, the first president to make explicit reference in a Thanksgiving proclamation to Jews, asking all Americans “to appeal to the Most High” and entreating them “in church, chapel, and synagogue, in their homes and in the busy walks of life, every day and everywhere, to pray for peace.”

7. President Eisenhower added a nod to freedom of conscience, a freedom of which the founders were well aware. “We are grateful that our beloved country, settled by those forebears in their quest for religious freedom, remains free and strong, and that each of us can worship God in his own way, according to the dictates of his conscience,” [Memo to Obama]

8. President Kennedy began his first Thanksgiving proclamation by quoting the psalmist: “It is a good thing to give thanks unto the Lord.”

9. Richard Nixon’s Thanksgiving proclamation in 1972 was probably the first that mentioned Jesus. “From Moses at the Red Sea to Jesus preparing to feed the multitudes, the Scriptures summon us to words and deeds of gratitude, even before divine blessings are fully perceived,”.....

10. ....Clinton referred to “the genius of our founders in daring to build the world’s first constitutional democracy on the foundation of trust and thanks to God.”
‘Providence of Almighty God’ - The New York Sun


And the same wishes to all who read this.
Amen.

Thank you PC, the beautiful, and "Happy Thanksgiving" to you and your great family. I remember with pleasure the Thanksgiving pics of your turkey dinner on that elegant table setting two or three years ago.

Hi sis!


Check out the conservative Thanksgiving dinner pics here:

A Conservative Thanksgiving Dinner! | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


Wish you were there in more than spirit!

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[PoliticalChic]

Does that mean 'as long as they're not law-breakers?"


'Cause.....that would mean that you've taken the locks off your doors....after all....you're not a hypocrite........


.....are you?



Put your dinero where you put your dinner.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Does that mean 'as long as they're not law-breakers?"


'Cause.....that would mean that you've taken the locks off your doors....after all....you're not a hypocrite........


.....are you?



Put your dinero where you put your dinner.

24/7/365 No brag just fact...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Does that mean 'as long as they're not law-breakers?"


'Cause.....that would mean that you've taken the locks off your doors....after all....you're not a hypocrite........


.....are you?



Put your dinero where you put your dinner.

24/7/365 No brag just fact...

Unless you live in a 7/11, your response is open to conjecture.

Are you saying you have no locks on your home, and signs saying 'anyone can drop in' and 'gun free zone'?

Is the sign on your lawn, next to the "Obama/Biden 2012" poster?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Does that mean 'as long as they're not law-breakers?"


'Cause.....that would mean that you've taken the locks off your doors....after all....you're not a hypocrite........


.....are you?



Put your dinero where you put your dinner.

24/7/365 No brag just fact...

Unless you live in a 7/11, your response is open to conjecture.

Are you saying you have no locks on your home, and signs saying 'anyone can drop in' and 'gun free zone'?

Is the sign on your lawn, next to the "Obama/Biden 2012" poster?

<---------sign on Lawn
I spoke my truth ....no explanation needed or granted...hidden in explanation is apology....No I do not apologize...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Does that mean 'as long as they're not law-breakers?"


'Cause.....that would mean that you've taken the locks off your doors....after all....you're not a hypocrite........


.....are you?



Put your dinero where you put your dinner.

24/7/365 No brag just fact...

Unless you live in a 7/11, your response is open to conjecture.

Are you saying you have no locks on your home, and signs saying 'anyone can drop in' and 'gun free zone'?

Is the sign on your lawn, next to the "Obama/Biden 2012" poster?

<---------sign on Lawn
I spoke my truth ....no explanation needed or granted...hidden in explanation is apology....No I do not apologize...

Just remind all those homeless folks who drop by to think outside the cardboard box.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Government school grads have been taught that Founders were terrible crotchety old white slavers who were anti-religion and responsible all sorts of evil in the world.

This day, more than any other, is a refutation of that worldview.
It even brings out the American in Obama....


1. "President Obama, in his Thanksgiving message this year, quotes George Washington’s phrase — “providence of Almighty God” — as the object of our national gratitude. It is a reminder of to whom thanks are being given today. It is also part of a long tradition, going back to Washington, who issued his first Thanksgiving proclamation on October 3, 1789, here at New York City. He noted that Congress had requested he recommend “a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God.”

2. John Adams, ...“the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and the blessing of Almighty God” and that “the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him, but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety without which social happiness can not exist nor the blessings of a free government be enjoyed,”.....

3. ...James Madison, who set aside January 12, 1815, as “a day on which all may have an opportunity of voluntarily offering at the same time in their respective religious assemblies their humble adoration to the Great Sovereign of the Universe,....

4. Lincoln issued four Thanksgiving proclamations, two of which — in 1862 and 1863 — made reference to a divine role in Union military victories. In 1864, he set apart the last Thursday in November “as a day which I desire to be observed by all my fellow-citizens, wherever they may then be, as a day of thanksgiving and praise to Almighty God, the beneficent Creator and Ruler of the Universe.”

5. Similarly pointed references to God were made by Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who, like Lincoln, recognized God as an ally.....

6. President Truman was, in 1950, the first president to make explicit reference in a Thanksgiving proclamation to Jews, asking all Americans “to appeal to the Most High” and entreating them “in church, chapel, and synagogue, in their homes and in the busy walks of life, every day and everywhere, to pray for peace.”

7. President Eisenhower added a nod to freedom of conscience, a freedom of which the founders were well aware. “We are grateful that our beloved country, settled by those forebears in their quest for religious freedom, remains free and strong, and that each of us can worship God in his own way, according to the dictates of his conscience,” [Memo to Obama]

8. President Kennedy began his first Thanksgiving proclamation by quoting the psalmist: “It is a good thing to give thanks unto the Lord.”

9. Richard Nixon’s Thanksgiving proclamation in 1972 was probably the first that mentioned Jesus. “From Moses at the Red Sea to Jesus preparing to feed the multitudes, the Scriptures summon us to words and deeds of gratitude, even before divine blessings are fully perceived,”.....

10. ....Clinton referred to “the genius of our founders in daring to build the world’s first constitutional democracy on the foundation of trust and thanks to God.”
‘Providence of Almighty God’ - The New York Sun


And the same wishes to all who read this.
Amen.

Through the eyes of the Pilgrims, "Oh shit, the injuns are coming. Well let's make nice and invent them for dinner so they think we're they're friends."

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Kim Il Sung is PC's founder, and she follows him to a T.

For showing that the founders gave thanks to God? Kim sung il gives thanks to hell. You are one deluded fella. Lol.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives are still living in the 17th century, that's why they worship the Pilgrims.

 

[Correll]

Conservatives are still living in the 17th century, that's why they worship the Pilgrims.

Try to be less crazy.