Thanksgiving: The rest of the story

[edthecynic]

Again that is the obvious lie, and you missed it again.

An obvious lie because some idiot on the net doesn't like the truth that rubs his religion the wrong way?

No, an obvious lie because someone knows the dates of historical events and you obviously don't.

The Racist Right can't have a non white non Christian do anything good and helpful to white Christians, so your MessiahRushie fabricated a way to attack Socialism and praise "biblical" Capitalism by claiming the Pilgrims were thanking God for the bounty of Capitalism.
Now in order for your Limbaugh lie to work you need time for Socialism to have failed harvests before the bountiful Capitalistic harvest. Thus in your OP the actual 1621 First Thanksgiving was moved in your revisionist history lie to 1623.

You puked all over yourself. Again.

Pilgrim Hall Museum - About the Pilgrims - The "First Thanksgiving" at Plymouth
The Pilgrims did not call this harvest festival a "Thanksgiving," although they did give thanks to God. To them, a Day of Thanksgiving was purely religious. The first recorded religious Day of Thanksgiving was held in 1623 in response to a providential rainfall.

Not a credible source, but you knew that already.

First Thanksgiving Meal - Thanksgiving - HISTORY.com

History.com is like About.com. Anyone can contribute. Your source is unreliable.

LIAR!

 

[DOTR]

An obvious lie because some idiot on the net doesn't like the truth that rubs his religion the wrong way?

No, an obvious lie because someone knows the dates of historical events and you obviously don't.

The Racist Right can't have a non white non Christian do anything good and helpful to white Christians, so your MessiahRushie fabricated a way to attack Socialism and praise "biblical" Capitalism by claiming the Pilgrims were thanking God for the bounty of Capitalism.
Now in order for your Limbaugh lie to work you need time for Socialism to have failed harvests before the bountiful Capitalistic harvest. Thus in your OP the actual 1621 First Thanksgiving was moved in your revisionist history lie to 1623.

You puked all over yourself. Again.

Pilgrim Hall Museum - About the Pilgrims - The "First Thanksgiving" at Plymouth
The Pilgrims did not call this harvest festival a "Thanksgiving," although they did give thanks to God. To them, a Day of Thanksgiving was purely religious. The first recorded religious Day of Thanksgiving was held in 1623 in response to a providential rainfall.

Not a credible source, but you knew that already.

First Thanksgiving Meal - Thanksgiving - HISTORY.com

History.com is like About.com. Anyone can contribute. Your source is unreliable.

LIAR!

Dont get upset. Killing the messenger because the message is embarrassing is old liberal tactics. "That cant be true because it was on site X" is not too dissimilar to "never mind what these emails say the Russians are the ones who broke in and released them to the public"

 

[jon_berzerk]

then you should open it up and read it

I have. You should go back and learn the history.

obviously you have not

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15899234/

No. It is obvious you have not.

so what --LOL

dosnt mean you read a damn

copy and paste

--LOL

So.............you got nothing. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

actually that is not the case

i just find you boring

 

[Little-Acorn]

It's remarkable that, no matter where or when socialism is tried in large groups, it almost always fails.

 

[Disir]

Every year you tell the exact same lies.

go read the diary

you find out it is not a lie

I have the "diary".

No, you don't, and thanks for establishing yourself as a liar. You may have a reprinted copy of his journal, but the original manuscript is in the library of the State House in Boston.

http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/pdf/Bradford_Journal_Intro_Of_Plymouth_Plantation.pdf

I did not mean to imply I had the original. Thanks for being another POS.

 

[Disir]

I have. You should go back and learn the history.

obviously you have not

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15899234/

No. It is obvious you have not.

so what --LOL

dosnt mean you read a damn

copy and paste

--LOL

So.............you got nothing. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

actually that is not the case

i just find you boring

I'm ok with that as I find you to be an uneducated hilljack.

 

[Disir]

Not that simple either way.

It's pretty simple once people admit the Pilgrims in Holland were faced with the same issues immigrants face anywhere. Hanging on to the "old ways" while the children acclimate quickly to the new area. And profit.

Not that simple.

You see our starting point, right?

Apparently, it's you trying to simplify something that is not.

.

State your case.

 

[Disir]

Why did we settle America?

"In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France, and Ireland King, Defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together in a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini 1620."

It's called the Divine Right of Kings and provided legitimacy.
‘The absolute right to rule’ – The Divine Right of Kings

Give your hatred for America a rest on Thanksgiving. Teach your kids better...if you arent some barren wombed feminist harridan...which I suspect you are.

What hatred? I'm a descendant of William Bradford you fucking nitwit.

Too bad you didn't inherit his intelligence.

Being someone's distant descendant doesn't automatically convey understanding of them in your DNA, Brain Trust.

Guess what, fucknut? You don't have an argument. It's history. I know facts are hard for you and nowhere in my posts do you find I hate America. Grow the fuck up you uneducated twat.

 

[paperview]

Abraham Lincoln was confused about some things but about Thanksgiving he knew the reason beyond any doubt....

"I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and Union."

You have to jump from President Madison all the way to Lincoln to find another though -- there were no Presidential proclamations about Thanksgiving until Lincoln made it official day - on the fourth Tuesday of November, 1863.

Side Note: You know that famous (public) letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist that enshrined the phrase separation of Church & State (that fundy's love to hate)? It was Jefferson statement of refusal to issue Proclamations of Thanksgiving (or days of fastings).

That letter gave him the public opportunity to clarify with certainty there was to be a wall of separation between government and church.

So, thanks for Thanksgiving - it was because of that, and Jefferson's opposition to religious government proclamations - he introduced that important phrase into our American political dialogue.

 

[DOTR]

He introduced an important campaign phrase yes...thank God it wasnt law. His letter was an attack on Toryism and was originally much stronger. Jefferson asked his secretary to delete the stronger words because "paragraph was omitted on the suggestion that it might give uneasiness to some of our republican friends in the eastern states where the proclamation of thanksgivings etc. by their Executives is an antient habit & is respected." This is noted in the margin of the Danbury letter in Jefferson's own hand.
The fact remains this is what Thanksgiving is (even if Jefferson didnt participate). It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers, Continental Congresses, Federal Congresses too numerous to list and dozens of Presidents. But it wasnt always celebrated nationally. Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? Until 1941 each state its own date as well as the Federal Government in some years (but not Jefferson eh?). Roosevelt signed and proclaimed the date we now use as directed by Congress.
So I hope you took the time to follow our national tradition and thank "Almighty God" for blessings on the day Congress and the President set out as a reminder.

 

[paperview]

He introduced an important campaign phrase yes...thank God it wasnt law. His letter was an attack on Toryism and was originally much stronger. Jefferson asked his secretary to delete the stronger words because "paragraph was omitted on the suggestion that it might give uneasiness to some of our republican friends in the eastern states where the proclamation of thanksgivings etc. by their Executives is an antient habit & is respected." This is noted in the margin of the Danbury letter in Jefferson's own hand.
The fact remains this is what Thanksgiving is (even if Jefferson didnt participate). It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers, Continental Congresses, Federal Congresses too numerous to list and dozens of Presidents. But it wasnt always celebrated nationally. Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? Until 1941 each state its own date as well as the Federal Government in some years (but not Jefferson eh?). Roosevelt signed and proclaimed the date we now use as directed by Congress.
So I hope you took the time to follow our national tradition and thank "Almighty God" for blessings on the day Congress and the President set out as a reminder.

"He introduced an important campaign phrase yes..."

Campaign phrase? Jefferson was in his first year when he wrote the letter. The campaign was long over.

"thank God it wasnt law."

lol. The Establishment Clause -- is law. His letter (with Madison's reinforcement) has been cited in numerous SCOTUS rulings. Thanks Thanksgiving for Jefferson reinforcing with clarity what is US doctrine: separation of church & state.

"It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers"

Of which the Puritan pilgrims were a theocracy.

"Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? "

"The last Thursday of November" <-- From Lincoln's proclamation.

 

[DOTR]

You silly twat. Obama is campaigning to this day. In his notes on th eletter it is obvious he was responding and taking a dig at Federalists.

 

[paperview]

You have to jump from President Madison all the way to Lincoln to find another though -- there were no Presidential proclamations about Thanksgiving until Lincoln made it official day - on the fourth Tuesday of November, 1863.

Side Note: You know that famous (public) letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist that enshrined the phrase separation of Church & State (that fundy's love to hate)? It was Jefferson statement of refusal to issue Proclamations of Thanksgiving (or days of fastings).

That letter gave him the public opportunity to clarify with certainty there was to be a wall of separation between government and church.

So, thanks for Thanksgiving - it was because of that, and Jefferson's opposition to religious government proclamations - he introduced that important phrase into our American political dialogue.

 

[DOTR]

He introduced an important campaign phrase yes...thank God it wasnt law. His letter was an attack on Toryism and was originally much stronger. Jefferson asked his secretary to delete the stronger words because "paragraph was omitted on the suggestion that it might give uneasiness to some of our republican friends in the eastern states where the proclamation of thanksgivings etc. by their Executives is an antient habit & is respected." This is noted in the margin of the Danbury letter in Jefferson's own hand.
The fact remains this is what Thanksgiving is (even if Jefferson didnt participate). It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers, Continental Congresses, Federal Congresses too numerous to list and dozens of Presidents. But it wasnt always celebrated nationally. Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? Until 1941 each state its own date as well as the Federal Government in some years (but not Jefferson eh?). Roosevelt signed and proclaimed the date we now use as directed by Congress.
So I hope you took the time to follow our national tradition and thank "Almighty God" for blessings on the day Congress and the President set out as a reminder.

"He introduced an important campaign phrase yes..."

Campaign phrase? Jefferson was in his first year when he wrote the letter. The campaign was long over.

"thank God it wasnt law."

lol. The Establishment Clause -- is law. His letter (with Madison's reinforcement) has been cited in numerous SCOTUS rulings. Thanks Thanksgiving for Jefferson reinforcing with clarity what is US doctrine: separation of church & state.

"It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers"

Of which the Puritan pilgrims were a theocracy.

"Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? "

"The last Thursday of November" <-- From Lincoln's proclamation.

You silly twat,,,i didnt mention the Establishment clause. I replied to your ludicrous posting of a letter. Not law or the establishment clause.
You quoted a letter correct? Not the establishment clause of the first amendment? Thought so.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Every year you tell the exact same lies.

go read the diary

you find out it is not a lie

I have the "diary".

No, you don't, and thanks for establishing yourself as a liar. You may have a reprinted copy of his journal, but the original manuscript is in the library of the State House in Boston.

http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/pdf/Bradford_Journal_Intro_Of_Plymouth_Plantation.pdf

I did not mean to imply I had the original. Thanks for being another POS.

Uh huh. Sure. The problem is ME, not your inability to communicate effectively and/or honestly.

 

[paperview]

You silly twat. Obama is campaigning to this day. In his notes on th eletter it is obvious he was responding and taking a dig at Federalists.

OK. I didn't realize how fucked up you were.

Loony tunes.

 

[paperview]

He introduced an important campaign phrase yes...thank God it wasnt law. His letter was an attack on Toryism and was originally much stronger. Jefferson asked his secretary to delete the stronger words because "paragraph was omitted on the suggestion that it might give uneasiness to some of our republican friends in the eastern states where the proclamation of thanksgivings etc. by their Executives is an antient habit & is respected." This is noted in the margin of the Danbury letter in Jefferson's own hand.
The fact remains this is what Thanksgiving is (even if Jefferson didnt participate). It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers, Continental Congresses, Federal Congresses too numerous to list and dozens of Presidents. But it wasnt always celebrated nationally. Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? Until 1941 each state its own date as well as the Federal Government in some years (but not Jefferson eh?). Roosevelt signed and proclaimed the date we now use as directed by Congress.
So I hope you took the time to follow our national tradition and thank "Almighty God" for blessings on the day Congress and the President set out as a reminder.

"He introduced an important campaign phrase yes..."

Campaign phrase? Jefferson was in his first year when he wrote the letter. The campaign was long over.

"thank God it wasnt law."

lol. The Establishment Clause -- is law. His letter (with Madison's reinforcement) has been cited in numerous SCOTUS rulings. Thanks Thanksgiving for Jefferson reinforcing with clarity what is US doctrine: separation of church & state.

"It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers"

Of which the Puritan pilgrims were a theocracy.

"Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? "

"The last Thursday of November" <-- From Lincoln's proclamation.

You silly twat,,,i didnt mention the Establishment clause. I replied to your ludicrous posting of a letter. Not law or the establishment clause.
You quoted a letter correct? Not the establishment clause of the first amendment? Thought so.

The separation of church and state IS the expression of the Establishment clause, Loony tunes.

 

[DOTR]

He introduced an important campaign phrase yes...thank God it wasnt law. His letter was an attack on Toryism and was originally much stronger. Jefferson asked his secretary to delete the stronger words because "paragraph was omitted on the suggestion that it might give uneasiness to some of our republican friends in the eastern states where the proclamation of thanksgivings etc. by their Executives is an antient habit & is respected." This is noted in the margin of the Danbury letter in Jefferson's own hand.
The fact remains this is what Thanksgiving is (even if Jefferson didnt participate). It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers, Continental Congresses, Federal Congresses too numerous to list and dozens of Presidents. But it wasnt always celebrated nationally. Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? Until 1941 each state its own date as well as the Federal Government in some years (but not Jefferson eh?). Roosevelt signed and proclaimed the date we now use as directed by Congress.
So I hope you took the time to follow our national tradition and thank "Almighty God" for blessings on the day Congress and the President set out as a reminder.

"He introduced an important campaign phrase yes..."

Campaign phrase? Jefferson was in his first year when he wrote the letter. The campaign was long over.

"thank God it wasnt law."

lol. The Establishment Clause -- is law. His letter (with Madison's reinforcement) has been cited in numerous SCOTUS rulings. Thanks Thanksgiving for Jefferson reinforcing with clarity what is US doctrine: separation of church & state.

"It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers"

Of which the Puritan pilgrims were a theocracy.

"Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? "

"The last Thursday of November" <-- From Lincoln's proclamation.

"The last Thursday of November NEXT" you silly twat. It didnt "establish" anything. It designated a day, once, for Americans to celebrate their traditional Thanksgiving to God together. In 1941 the Federal Holiday was established.

 

[DOTR]

He introduced an important campaign phrase yes...thank God it wasnt law. His letter was an attack on Toryism and was originally much stronger. Jefferson asked his secretary to delete the stronger words because "paragraph was omitted on the suggestion that it might give uneasiness to some of our republican friends in the eastern states where the proclamation of thanksgivings etc. by their Executives is an antient habit & is respected." This is noted in the margin of the Danbury letter in Jefferson's own hand.
The fact remains this is what Thanksgiving is (even if Jefferson didnt participate). It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers, Continental Congresses, Federal Congresses too numerous to list and dozens of Presidents. But it wasnt always celebrated nationally. Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? Until 1941 each state its own date as well as the Federal Government in some years (but not Jefferson eh?). Roosevelt signed and proclaimed the date we now use as directed by Congress.
So I hope you took the time to follow our national tradition and thank "Almighty God" for blessings on the day Congress and the President set out as a reminder.

"He introduced an important campaign phrase yes..."

Campaign phrase? Jefferson was in his first year when he wrote the letter. The campaign was long over.

"thank God it wasnt law."

lol. The Establishment Clause -- is law. His letter (with Madison's reinforcement) has been cited in numerous SCOTUS rulings. Thanks Thanksgiving for Jefferson reinforcing with clarity what is US doctrine: separation of church & state.

"It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers"

Of which the Puritan pilgrims were a theocracy.

"Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? "

"The last Thursday of November" <-- From Lincoln's proclamation.

You silly twat,,,i didnt mention the Establishment clause. I replied to your ludicrous posting of a letter. Not law or the establishment clause.
You quoted a letter correct? Not the establishment clause of the first amendment? Thought so.

The separation of church and state IS the expression of the Establishment clause, Loony tunes.

LOL...quote it please you silly uneducated twat.

 

[paperview]

He introduced an important campaign phrase yes...thank God it wasnt law. His letter was an attack on Toryism and was originally much stronger. Jefferson asked his secretary to delete the stronger words because "paragraph was omitted on the suggestion that it might give uneasiness to some of our republican friends in the eastern states where the proclamation of thanksgivings etc. by their Executives is an antient habit & is respected." This is noted in the margin of the Danbury letter in Jefferson's own hand.
The fact remains this is what Thanksgiving is (even if Jefferson didnt participate). It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers, Continental Congresses, Federal Congresses too numerous to list and dozens of Presidents. But it wasnt always celebrated nationally. Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? Until 1941 each state its own date as well as the Federal Government in some years (but not Jefferson eh?). Roosevelt signed and proclaimed the date we now use as directed by Congress.
So I hope you took the time to follow our national tradition and thank "Almighty God" for blessings on the day Congress and the President set out as a reminder.

"He introduced an important campaign phrase yes..."

Campaign phrase? Jefferson was in his first year when he wrote the letter. The campaign was long over.

"thank God it wasnt law."

lol. The Establishment Clause -- is law. His letter (with Madison's reinforcement) has been cited in numerous SCOTUS rulings. Thanks Thanksgiving for Jefferson reinforcing with clarity what is US doctrine: separation of church & state.

"It has been proclaimed by Pilgrim Fathers"

Of which the Puritan pilgrims were a theocracy.

"Lincoln did not set a national date for Thanksgiving. Did you just make that up? "

"The last Thursday of November" <-- From Lincoln's proclamation.

"The last Thursday of November NEXT" you silly twat. It didnt "establish" anything. It designated a day, once, for Americans to celebrate their traditional Thanksgiving to God together. In 1941 the Federal Holiday was established.

Apparently the dolt who loves to use the word "twat" with every post, and has a Trump as Lord King avatar

is brain injured.