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It's remarkable that, no matter where or when socialism is tried in large groups, it almost always fails.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15899234/obviously you have not
No. It is obvious you have not.
so what --LOL
dosnt mean you read a damn
copy and paste
--LOL
So.............you got nothing. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
actually that is not the case
i just find you boring
I'm ok with that as I find you to be an uneducated hilljack.
so what --LOL
dosnt mean you read a damn
copy and paste
--LOL
So.............you got nothing. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
actually that is not the case
i just find you boring
I'm ok with that as I find you to be an uneducated hilljack.
understandable since you are a know nothing
It's remarkable that, no matter where or when socialism is tried in large groups, it almost always fails.
Fucking and farting always wins out...At least the Indians faced a more advanced civilization entering to supersede them. Trumps wall is need to keep a less advanced group from superseding us.
Did you miss the part in the movie where capitalism failed?It's remarkable that, no matter where or when socialism is tried in large groups, it almost always fails.
yet needed a charter to leave, so they must have been leaving for some reason...They were fleeing political persecution, the way the Pilgrims ran the govt. after the execution of the king, they were tyrants...
They weren't fleeing anything.
They spent a decade in Holland before leaving. They left for opportunity. It was about cash.
Not that simple either way.
It's pretty simple once people admit the Pilgrims in Holland were faced with the same issues immigrants face anywhere. Hanging on to the "old ways" while the children acclimate quickly to the new area. And profit.
Another year has yet passed, and this bullshit is repeated...Saints be praised...
The only ingredient missing is the one jack ass that insists the Pilgrims came straight to this land to escape religious persecution.
It isn't Thanksgiving until someone say that.
yet needed a charter to leave, so they must have been leaving for some reason...They weren't fleeing anything.
They spent a decade in Holland before leaving. They left for opportunity. It was about cash.
Not that simple either way.
It's pretty simple once people admit the Pilgrims in Holland were faced with the same issues immigrants face anywhere. Hanging on to the "old ways" while the children acclimate quickly to the new area. And profit.
What the Pilgrims understood - and you are either ignoring or ignorant of - is that in 1621 the truce between Spain and Holland over a religious war would come to an end, and radical Protestants like the Pilgrims would have a big, fat target painted on their asses in any hot war and Inquisition to follow. Their haven was becoming unsafe regardless of their kids' acclimation. Holland was never intended as more than a temporary stay. There were few jobs, the locals didn't like them much, and their security was dubious and temporary.
Not simple.
yet needed a charter to leave, so they must have been leaving for some reason...
They spent a decade in Holland before leaving. They left for opportunity. It was about cash.
Not that simple either way.
It's pretty simple once people admit the Pilgrims in Holland were faced with the same issues immigrants face anywhere. Hanging on to the "old ways" while the children acclimate quickly to the new area. And profit.
What the Pilgrims understood - and you are either ignoring or ignorant of - is that in 1621 the truce between Spain and Holland over a religious war would come to an end, and radical Protestants like the Pilgrims would have a big, fat target painted on their asses in any hot war and Inquisition to follow. Their haven was becoming unsafe regardless of their kids' acclimation. Holland was never intended as more than a temporary stay. There were few jobs, the locals didn't like them much, and their security was dubious and temporary.
Not simple.
I don't think it was the determining factor ....
They spent a decade in Holland before leaving. They left for opportunity. It was about cash.
Not that simple either way.
It's pretty simple once people admit the Pilgrims in Holland were faced with the same issues immigrants face anywhere. Hanging on to the "old ways" while the children acclimate quickly to the new area. And profit.
What the Pilgrims understood - and you are either ignoring or ignorant of - is that in 1621 the truce between Spain and Holland over a religious war would come to an end, and radical Protestants like the Pilgrims would have a big, fat target painted on their asses in any hot war and Inquisition to follow. Their haven was becoming unsafe regardless of their kids' acclimation. Holland was never intended as more than a temporary stay. There were few jobs, the locals didn't like them much, and their security was dubious and temporary.
Not simple.
I don't think it was the determining factor ....
= you never even heard of the Thirty Years War.