Testimony of What the Left Believes...

[The T]

The center is sick to death of brainwashed loudmouth ignorant RW ugly 'Merican haters, actually....LOL The 25% of the US and half the GOP who believe Obama is a Muslim socialist Kenyan, ACORN stole the election, and Pub lies in sig pp3 basically. Change the channel.

You have zero credibility.

I can buy a sheet of paper that says M.S. on it too.

Muslim ? Who cares.

He is a moron.

The GOP is working to keep him from ruining the country.

Take your 200K and move to Cuba...please.

We won't miss you so you needn't worry.

Indeed. And I'll be happy to write a glowing commentary of Franco to bolster his move to his new Country toward it's leaders stating how lucky they are to get such a patriot whom counldn't cut it here.

 

[logical4u]

I'm not sure if America is crazy...but you are putting in a pretty good showing for yourself.

I love the way we throw a blanket on each other just for shits and giggles. I've seen it happen on both sides and the reason seems to be that some asshole just wants to be mean and miserable to their fellow Americans.

If you think you're really making a value point here....Your fucking nuts. If your just trying to be an asshole....congratulations....you've succeeded.

1. What's strange here is that I kind of agree with the essence of your post....but if I had written it, the language would have been more....restrained.

But let me walk you through this, as it seems that you have missed the point by quite a margin....

2. "I love the way we throw a blanket on each other ... to be mean and miserable to their fellow Americans."

Do you know who John Cassidy is?
Is he from my side of the aisle?

Let's see: "... John Cassidy, part of the left-wing stable at the New Yorker,..."
John Cassidy on ObamaCare - WSJ.com


See where I'm going with this?
Which side painted Americans as as suffering from " irrationality, flakiness, nonsense, nuttiness, absurdity, craziness…."?
Especially Americans who believe in our exceptionalism?


3. So...the vituperation?
For revealing this gratuitous attack from the Left?
Blaming me for not turning the other cheek?
Really?

4. BTW....do you want to defend Cassidy?
Or argue that my precis about the beliefs of the Left is incorrect?
No, huh.


I'll be here when you're ready to apologize.



And I like the fact that you think it would be nice if the nation were less polarized.

I'll address the points by number...

1. Thanks....however...as I had said in a different thread, yesterday...I think...I didn't used to be like this...when I first came here I was cordial and respectful to people I disagreed with...but, after a year of being called a fucking commie, a leech on society and all the other right wing crap that you guys say....SORRY if I don't show much restraint these days...in short, you guys helped make my online persona on here....You can consider that my apology.

2. No...I don't know who John Cassidy is...I don't particularly care. but I do disagree on your "the left hates the America that believes in American Exceptionalism" premise...That wasn't Cassidy....that was you. I just disagree with the right wing vision and definition of it.....THAT'S NOT HATE. and perhaps what drew my ire the most was your ridiculous assumption and pompous judgement that reversing the list was ....the "catechism of the left".....That's where I had to talk about "blanket throwing"....and that's exactly what you did.

3. What do I care what Cassidy said? I don't agree with that list point by point. BTW....I love that when a left leaning person writes something...it's a "gratuitous attack", but when someone on the right does the same thing, it's like the unadulterated truth....and you felt the need to lash out against everyone but the author of that attack....and the idea that one person says something, that those ideas are immediately attributable to the entire group who share an ideology is just plain lazy.

4. I think that I answered #4 with the earlier part of my reply....

I'll be here when YOU'RE ready to aplogize...I won't hold my breath.

Would you be willing to tell us what the "left" stands up for?
Would you be willing to tell us what is important enough for the left to go to war (other than the public finding out the President comitted perjury)?
Would you be willing to show some evidence of how this "new" way will work?

 

[logical4u]

Distracted by hater BS, the dupes fight for the freedom to continue to be absolutely screwed by the greedy rich. Thanks for the depression and total obstruction, the lies and fear mongering. See sig. Change the channel.

Poor sad franco.....his bête noire doesn't exist: due to the financial mobility of the United States, there is no perennial group known as 'the rich.'

"Thanks for the depression..."

I didn't realize that FDR was a Republican....you're just joshin,' aren't you?
Remember FDR? The guy who extended a recession into 'The Great Depression.' You know who I mean....the guy who idolized Mussolinin?

Well, you'll learn all about that when you get to college....(if?)

This the SECOND Pub World Depression, caused by corruption and cronyism. I have a Masters in World History, and you're a brainwashed moron Beckbot. Shove "Fascist Liberalism" up your azz, idiot. LOL.

Thank god this time the Dems got in quickly while there was still an economy to stimulate. But Pub total obstruction has stalled the recovery- anything to get power to steal again. Memorize my sig and change the channel, pompous windbag.

The rich have never been richer and less obtainable, fool.

The dems were in there for 2 years, if their policies worked 2010 & 2011 should have been great years with low unemployment. Things that make you say Hmmmmmm.

 

[logical4u]

The center is sick to death of brainwashed loudmouth ignorant RW ugly 'Merican haters, actually....LOL The 25% of the US and half the GOP who believe Obama is a Muslim socialist Kenyan, ACORN stole the election, and Pub lies in sig pp3 basically. Change the channel.

We don't hate mexicans. We don't think mexicans (or anyone else that comes here illegally) should be "entitled" to our tax dollars or the "right" to ignore our laws.

We don't believe Obama is a muslim, that would require him to believe that he, himself is less than a god.

Acorn does not follow the laws and is corrupt to the core. Why do lefties support corruption in politics and then when the politicians move into corporations, complain about "corruption"?

Change the channel? The left's version of reality? Can all the rw people just pretend those taxes being imposed on them don't exist?

 

[copsnrobbers]

It is more than passing interesting to plumb the depths, the thinking of those with whom we debate....

Sometimes the testimony is from the Right, which opens it up to obvious debate.

But it is pure gold to see the statements from an inveterate 'leftie' who gives his views of 'the other side.'

First, here is a statement from the Right:


1. The American left hates the America that believes in American exceptionalism, is prepared to use force to fight what it deems as dangerous evil, affirms the Judeo-Christian value system, believes in the death penalty, supports male-female marriage, rejects big government, wants lower taxes, prefers free market to governmental solutions, etc. The American left, like the rest of the world's left, loathes that America.

2. So what America does the American Left love? That is for those on the left to answer. But given their beliefs that America was founded by racists and slaveholders, that it is an imperialist nation, that 35 million Americans go hungry, that it invades countries for corporate profits, and that it is largely racist and xenophobic, it is a fair question. The World Doesn't Hate America, the Left Does - Dennis Prager - [page]


Now, from a piece by the New Yorker's John Cassidy, describing what he sees as 'the craziness' of Right-wing Americans.., establishing the proof for what Prager writes.


"Are firearms the only subject on which Americans are, let us say, a little batty?

Not all Americans subscribe to them, of course. In some instances, the true believers may amount to a small but vocal minority. Still, the popular sentiment underlying these statements is so strong that politicians defy it at their peril.

1. Gun laws and gun deaths are unconnected.
2. Private enterprise is good; public enterprise is bad.
3. God created America and gave it a special purpose.
4. Our health-care system is the best there is.
5. The Founding Fathers were saintly figures who established liberty and democracy for everyone.
6. America is the greatest country in the world.
7. Tax rates are too high.
8. America is a peace-loving nation: the reason it gets involved in so many wars is that foreigners keep attacking us.
9. Cheap energy, gasoline especially, is our birthright.
10. Everybody else wishes they were American.

...the point here: it is whether or not certain beliefs are amenable to reason. I don’t think these are, which is what puts them in the category of irrationality, flakiness, nonsense, nuttiness, absurdity, craziness…."
Is America Crazy? Ten Reasons it Might Be : The New Yorker


If it is not evident to you lefties what the point is, reverse each of the ten statements and you have the catechism of the Left.

Americans by and large aren't nutty, crazy or derranged...just those on both sides that live and breathe politics and try to shape policy(ies). Average Americans don't awaken until close to an election cycle because they are busy maintaining families, jobs and businesses.

Average Americans just want to be left alone to thier own devices and Do become active when common sense no longer makes sense and has become a roadblock.

Good Thread as usual Political Chic...YOU are our 'Michele Malkin' of USMB in my mind.

Good job.

Wow!

Wish I could live up to that: Malkin's great!

Michelle is one of my favorites too...

 

[del]

Another great post from Political Chick!

you misspelled mindless

 

[copsnrobbers]

Poor sad franco.....his bête noire doesn't exist: due to the financial mobility of the United States, there is no perennial group known as 'the rich.'

"Thanks for the depression..."

I didn't realize that FDR was a Republican....you're just joshin,' aren't you?
Remember FDR? The guy who extended a recession into 'The Great Depression.' You know who I mean....the guy who idolized Mussolinin?

Well, you'll learn all about that when you get to college....(if?)

This the SECOND Pub World Depression, caused by corruption and cronyism. I have a Masters in World History, and you're a brainwashed moron Beckbot. Shove "Fascist Liberalism" up your azz, idiot. LOL.

Thank god this time the Dems got in quickly while there was still an economy to stimulate. But Pub total obstruction has stalled the recovery- anything to get power to steal again. Memorize my sig and change the channel, pompous windbag.

The rich have never been richer and less obtainable, fool.

The dems were in there for 2 years, if their policies worked 2010 & 2011 should have been great years with low unemployment. Things that make you say Hmmmmmm.

Its there agenda... destroy America at its core.

This election will be the end of far left liberals.. they're outed and doomed.

 

[The T]

Americans by and large aren't nutty, crazy or derranged...just those on both sides that live and breathe politics and try to shape policy(ies). Average Americans don't awaken until close to an election cycle because they are busy maintaining families, jobs and businesses.

Average Americans just want to be left alone to thier own devices and Do become active when common sense no longer makes sense and has become a roadblock.

Good Thread as usual Political Chic...YOU are our 'Michele Malkin' of USMB in my mind.

Good job.

Wow!

Wish I could live up to that: Malkin's great!

Michelle is one of my favorites too...

Indeed. Political Chic is her own person...NO doubt about it. But she is a force here to be reckoned with like other Conservative women like Michele Malkin, and frankly other Conservative women on the boards...but her work resembles so much that of Malkin.

 

[Listening]

The center is sick to death of brainwashed loudmouth ignorant RW ugly 'Merican haters, actually....LOL The 25% of the US and half the GOP who believe Obama is a Muslim socialist Kenyan, ACORN stole the election, and Pub lies in sig pp3 basically. Change the channel.

You have zero credibility.

I can buy a sheet of paper that says M.S. on it too.

Muslim ? Who cares.

He is a moron.

The GOP is working to keep him from ruining the country.

Take your 200K and move to Cuba...please.

We won't miss you so you needn't worry.

Indeed. And I'll be happy to write a glowing commentary of Franco to bolster his move to his new Country toward it's leaders stating how lucky they are to get such a patriot whom counldn't cut it here.

He'll like it there.

They will love him.

He will raise the I.Q. of Cuba of going there.

He will raise the I.Q. of the U.S. by leaving it.

We won't miss him....at all.

Less tax dollars to spend on his sorry ass.

It's a win-win if ever there was one.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Distracted by hater BS, the dupes fight for the freedom to continue to be absolutely screwed by the greedy rich. Thanks for the depression and total obstruction, the lies and fear mongering. See sig. Change the channel.

Poor sad franco.....his bête noire doesn't exist: due to the financial mobility of the United States, there is no perennial group known as 'the rich.'

"Thanks for the depression..."

I didn't realize that FDR was a Republican....you're just joshin,' aren't you?
Remember FDR? The guy who extended a recession into 'The Great Depression.' You know who I mean....the guy who idolized Mussolinin?

Well, you'll learn all about that when you get to college....(if?)

This the SECOND Pub World Depression, caused by corruption and cronyism. I have a Masters in World History, and you're a brainwashed moron Beckbot. Shove "Fascist Liberalism" up your azz, idiot. LOL.

Thank god this time the Dems got in quickly while there was still an economy to stimulate. But Pub total obstruction has stalled the recovery- anything to get power to steal again. Memorize my sig and change the channel, pompous windbag.

The rich have never been richer and less obtainable, fool.

you have a masters in world history? I dont buy that at all, unless your history courses were taught but Ward Churchill or some other communist. I have a history degree in 19th Central European History, as well as I studies the history of islam and I'm big into American and British history, so bring it bitch! Whatcha got?

Oh and I also love Roman and Greek Mythology (couldnt stand the new clash of the titans, they ruined it.....uggggggg)

 

[onecut39]

It is more than passing interesting to plumb the depths, the thinking of those with whom we debate....

Sometimes the testimony is from the Right, which opens it up to obvious debate.

But it is pure gold to see the statements from an inveterate 'leftie' who gives his views of 'the other side.'

First, here is a statement from the Right:


1. The American left hates the America that believes in American exceptionalism, is prepared to use force to fight what it deems as dangerous evil, affirms the Judeo-Christian value system, believes in the death penalty, supports male-female marriage, rejects big government, wants lower taxes, prefers free market to governmental solutions, etc. The American left, like the rest of the world's left, loathes that America.

2. So what America does the American Left love? That is for those on the left to answer. But given their beliefs that America was founded by racists and slaveholders, that it is an imperialist nation, that 35 million Americans go hungry, that it invades countries for corporate profits, and that it is largely racist and xenophobic, it is a fair question. The World Doesn't Hate America, the Left Does - Dennis Prager - [page]


Now, from a piece by the New Yorker's John Cassidy, describing what he sees as 'the craziness' of Right-wing Americans.., establishing the proof for what Prager writes.


"Are firearms the only subject on which Americans are, let us say, a little batty?

Not all Americans subscribe to them, of course. In some instances, the true believers may amount to a small but vocal minority. Still, the popular sentiment underlying these statements is so strong that politicians defy it at their peril.

1. Gun laws and gun deaths are unconnected.
2. Private enterprise is good; public enterprise is bad.
3. God created America and gave it a special purpose.
4. Our health-care system is the best there is.
5. The Founding Fathers were saintly figures who established liberty and democracy for everyone.
6. America is the greatest country in the world.
7. Tax rates are too high.
8. America is a peace-loving nation: the reason it gets involved in so many wars is that foreigners keep attacking us.
9. Cheap energy, gasoline especially, is our birthright.
10. Everybody else wishes they were American.

...the point here: it is whether or not certain beliefs are amenable to reason. I don’t think these are, which is what puts them in the category of irrationality, flakiness, nonsense, nuttiness, absurdity, craziness…."
Is America Crazy? Ten Reasons it Might Be : The New Yorker


If it is not evident to you lefties what the point is, reverse each of the ten statements and you have the catechism of the Left.

The list is stupid and a reversal would be incredibly more stupid.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Re-visiting Mr. Cassidy’s list of the beliefs that identify Americans as crazy, perhaps I was….ambiguous…in asking folks to reverse ‘em to see the ‘catechism of the Left.”

Here, let me do it…
Cassidy's List:

1. Gun laws and gun deaths are unconnected.
2. Private enterprise is good; public enterprise is bad.
3. God created America and gave it a special purpose.
4. Our health-care system is the best there is.
5. The Founding Fathers were saintly figures who established liberty and democracy for everyone.
6. America is the greatest country in the world.
7. Tax rates are too high.
8. America is a peace-loving nation: the reason it gets involved in so many wars is that foreigners keep attacking us.
9. Cheap energy, gasoline especially, is our birthright.
10. Everybody else wishes they were American.


Now, my claim that the Left believes the following:

So, #1…the Left believes that reducing guns would cause a drop in gun deaths.
2. The Left believes that hiring government workers is as salutary for the economy as workers hired in the private economy.
3. For the Left, of course, there is no God, and America is no different than any other nation.
4. The Left believes the World Health Organization, which places America’s healthcare system…before ObamaCare, at #37.
5. The Left believes the worst possible rumors about the Founders, wanted only the rich to benefit, enforced slavery for the various immoral purposes, and were irreligious.
6. The Left agrees with Obama, that every nation is just as exceptional.
7. The Left believes as of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
8. The Left believes that America is imperialistic, and loves to colonize third world people.
9. The Left believes that “Less than 5% of the world‟s population lives in the United States and we are consuming over 25% of the world‟s resources, creating over 30% of the pollution.” http://theendofpoverty.com/pdf/teoppressnotes.pdf
10. The Left believes every other nation is, in some way, as good as or better than the US, and their people know it!

So…did I basically cover the Left’s ‘Manifesto’?

 

[jgarden]

What conservative Americans say they believe in and what they actually once elected into office are 2 entirely different things.

Case in point - prior to Obama, no Democratic president had increased the federal debt/GDP ratio since 1945 but Presidents Reagan [29%), GHW Bush (13%) and GW Bush (27%), those advocates of tax cuts and small government, were directly responsible for 60% of the 85% debt/GDP ratio that he inherited in 2009.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What conservative Americans say they believe in and what they actually once elected into office are 2 entirely different things.

Case in point - prior to Obama, no Democratic president had increased the federal debt/GDP ratio since 1945 but Presidents Reagan [29%), GHW Bush (13%) and GW Bush (27%), those advocates of tax cuts and small government, were directly responsible for 60% of the 85% debt/GDP ratio that he inherited in 2009.

"The common wisdom holds that 'both parties' have to appeal to the extremes during the primary and then move to the center for the general election. To the contrary, both parties run for office as conservatives. Once they have fooled the voters and are safely in office, Republicans sometimes double-cross the voters. Democrats always do."
Coulter, 11-27-03

 

[jgarden]

What conservative Americans say they believe in and what they actually once elected into office are 2 entirely different things.

Case in point - prior to Obama, no Democratic president had increased the federal debt/GDP ratio since 1945 but Presidents Reagan [29%), GHW Bush (13%) and GW Bush (27%), those advocates of tax cuts and small government, were directly responsible for 60% of the 85% debt/GDP ratio that he inherited in 2009.

"The common wisdom holds that 'both parties' have to appeal to the extremes during the primary and then move to the center for the general election. To the contrary, both parties run for office as conservatives. Once they have fooled the voters and are safely in office, Republicans sometimes double-cross the voters. Democrats always do."
Coulter, 11-27-03

The federal debt/GDP ratio actually reached its lowest point since WW2 under the much maligned Carter Administration (32.5%)and was further reduced by 9.7% under Clinton. Nice try to spread the blame "PoliticalChic" - but no cigar!

Why are conservatives long on annecdotal comments and innuendo, but short on documented facts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt

 

[8537]

Anyone who believes God created the United States and gave it a special place is crazy. Change the names and that language is almost verbatim the language used to argue for a Caliphate.

 

[occupied]

It is more than passing interesting to plumb the depths, the thinking of those with whom we debate....

Sometimes the testimony is from the Right, which opens it up to obvious debate.

But it is pure gold to see the statements from an inveterate 'leftie' who gives his views of 'the other side.'

First, here is a statement from the Right:


1. The American left hates the America that believes in American exceptionalism, is prepared to use force to fight what it deems as dangerous evil, affirms the Judeo-Christian value system, believes in the death penalty, supports male-female marriage, rejects big government, wants lower taxes, prefers free market to governmental solutions, etc. The American left, like the rest of the world's left, loathes that America.

2. So what America does the American Left love? That is for those on the left to answer. But given their beliefs that America was founded by racists and slaveholders, that it is an imperialist nation, that 35 million Americans go hungry, that it invades countries for corporate profits, and that it is largely racist and xenophobic, it is a fair question. The World Doesn't Hate America, the Left Does - Dennis Prager - [page]


Now, from a piece by the New Yorker's John Cassidy, describing what he sees as 'the craziness' of Right-wing Americans.., establishing the proof for what Prager writes.


"Are firearms the only subject on which Americans are, let us say, a little batty?

Not all Americans subscribe to them, of course. In some instances, the true believers may amount to a small but vocal minority. Still, the popular sentiment underlying these statements is so strong that politicians defy it at their peril.

1. Gun laws and gun deaths are unconnected.
2. Private enterprise is good; public enterprise is bad.
3. God created America and gave it a special purpose.
4. Our health-care system is the best there is.
5. The Founding Fathers were saintly figures who established liberty and democracy for everyone.
6. America is the greatest country in the world.
7. Tax rates are too high.
8. America is a peace-loving nation: the reason it gets involved in so many wars is that foreigners keep attacking us.
9. Cheap energy, gasoline especially, is our birthright.
10. Everybody else wishes they were American.

...the point here: it is whether or not certain beliefs are amenable to reason. I don’t think these are, which is what puts them in the category of irrationality, flakiness, nonsense, nuttiness, absurdity, craziness…."
Is America Crazy? Ten Reasons it Might Be : The New Yorker


If it is not evident to you lefties what the point is, reverse each of the ten statements and you have the catechism of the Left.

Few beliefs I have are as simplistic as simply reversing any of these simplistic examples.

 

[koshergrl]

Serious question. Are you related to ChessWarNow? It seems you both love making numbered lists in every one of your posts.

Because that's the way intelligent debate and discussion look. You list your points, you provide your sources, you back up your statements...in clear, concise language and structured in a way that even idiots can follow.

The exact opposite of "rambling diatribe and obfuscation" practiced by leftist liars.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What conservative Americans say they believe in and what they actually once elected into office are 2 entirely different things.

Case in point - prior to Obama, no Democratic president had increased the federal debt/GDP ratio since 1945 but Presidents Reagan [29%), GHW Bush (13%) and GW Bush (27%), those advocates of tax cuts and small government, were directly responsible for 60% of the 85% debt/GDP ratio that he inherited in 2009.

"The common wisdom holds that 'both parties' have to appeal to the extremes during the primary and then move to the center for the general election. To the contrary, both parties run for office as conservatives. Once they have fooled the voters and are safely in office, Republicans sometimes double-cross the voters. Democrats always do."
Coulter, 11-27-03

The federal debt/GDP ratio actually reached its lowest point since WW2 under the much maligned Carter Administration (32.5%)and was further reduced by 9.7% under Clinton. Nice try to spread the blame "PoliticalChic" - but no cigar!

Why are conservatives long on annecdotal comments and innuendo, but short on documented facts?

History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Isn't it as plain as the nose on your face????

It's because Liberals are soooooo much more brilliant.....

....why, simply look at the man they put in office...and the job he's done!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is more than passing interesting to plumb the depths, the thinking of those with whom we debate....

Sometimes the testimony is from the Right, which opens it up to obvious debate.

But it is pure gold to see the statements from an inveterate 'leftie' who gives his views of 'the other side.'

First, here is a statement from the Right:


1. The American left hates the America that believes in American exceptionalism, is prepared to use force to fight what it deems as dangerous evil, affirms the Judeo-Christian value system, believes in the death penalty, supports male-female marriage, rejects big government, wants lower taxes, prefers free market to governmental solutions, etc. The American left, like the rest of the world's left, loathes that America.

2. So what America does the American Left love? That is for those on the left to answer. But given their beliefs that America was founded by racists and slaveholders, that it is an imperialist nation, that 35 million Americans go hungry, that it invades countries for corporate profits, and that it is largely racist and xenophobic, it is a fair question. The World Doesn't Hate America, the Left Does - Dennis Prager - [page]


Now, from a piece by the New Yorker's John Cassidy, describing what he sees as 'the craziness' of Right-wing Americans.., establishing the proof for what Prager writes.


"Are firearms the only subject on which Americans are, let us say, a little batty?

Not all Americans subscribe to them, of course. In some instances, the true believers may amount to a small but vocal minority. Still, the popular sentiment underlying these statements is so strong that politicians defy it at their peril.

1. Gun laws and gun deaths are unconnected.
2. Private enterprise is good; public enterprise is bad.
3. God created America and gave it a special purpose.
4. Our health-care system is the best there is.
5. The Founding Fathers were saintly figures who established liberty and democracy for everyone.
6. America is the greatest country in the world.
7. Tax rates are too high.
8. America is a peace-loving nation: the reason it gets involved in so many wars is that foreigners keep attacking us.
9. Cheap energy, gasoline especially, is our birthright.
10. Everybody else wishes they were American.

...the point here: it is whether or not certain beliefs are amenable to reason. I don’t think these are, which is what puts them in the category of irrationality, flakiness, nonsense, nuttiness, absurdity, craziness…."
Is America Crazy? Ten Reasons it Might Be : The New Yorker


If it is not evident to you lefties what the point is, reverse each of the ten statements and you have the catechism of the Left.

Few beliefs I have are as simplistic as simply reversing any of these simplistic examples.

But....you do believe in the truth all of 'em, don't you....