Terrorists invite us to join them in debauchery.....US takes the bait

[bripat9643]

3,000 killed in a terrorist attack and this asshole wants to call EIT's sinking to their level. We have a long way to go to sink to their level RW you delusional asshole.

We were built on a Declaration of Independence and Constitution that recognized the rights of the common man against an all powerful government. Basic human rights like protections against cruel and unusual punishment, a fair trial, right to face your accuser, right to an attorney......ALL abandoned after 9-11

The Constitution doesn't protect the enemy, shit for brains.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

As per the UN resolution on torture signed by Reagan......we did

No... we didn't. Not 'per' any instrument, signed by anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Causing mass-murderers 'discomfort' is not torture, PERIOD.

Just as patting a woman on her ass,or brushing her tit is not rape and, just as there is no right for a person of equal rights to murder another, when that other is deemed by that person to be 'inconvenient'.

And there is your problem...how many innocent men were tortured in a CIA fishing expedition?

Zero.

 

[rightwinger]

"Terrorists invite us to join them in debauchery.....US takes the bait"

And unfortunately it's conservatives who for the most part advocate joining in the debauchery, motivated by their unwarranted fear and unwillingness to trust in the rule of law.

When given the chance...they return to savagery

As anyone with any fucking sense of self preservation would. The trust of law is done when someone attacks you. Law is only good when both parties obey them. What rules of law do you see the muslims obeying?

Law is only good when both parties obey them?
What laws are always obeyed?

We have some of the most horrendous criminals in history and yet they are still given their constitutional rights when arrested
Only savages resort to torture of prisoners

 

[rightwinger]

3,000 killed in a terrorist attack and this asshole wants to call EIT's sinking to their level. We have a long way to go to sink to their level RW you delusional asshole.

We were built on a Declaration of Independence and Constitution that recognized the rights of the common man against an all powerful government. Basic human rights like protections against cruel and unusual punishment, a fair trial, right to face your accuser, right to an attorney......ALL abandoned after 9-11

The Constitution doesn't protect the enemy, shit for brains.

Actually, it does
It refers to "persons" not citizens

 

[TooTall]

As per the UN resolution on torture signed by Reagan......we did

No... we didn't. Not 'per' any instrument, signed by anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Causing mass-murderers 'discomfort' is not torture, PERIOD.

Just as patting a woman on her ass,or brushing her tit is not rape and, just as there is no right for a person of equal rights to murder another, when that other is deemed by that person to be 'inconvenient'.

And there is your problem...how many innocent men were tortured in a CIA fishing expedition?

How low must we sink in trying to feel "safe"?

We should resort to drone strikes and kill them along with their wives and children. That would taking the high moral road don't you think?

 

[Seawytch]

Ahhhh....so it was Bush's fault. What an interesting and original take on politics. Did mommy help you with that...idiot?

The web od deceit insured that Bush was kept in the dark. Plausible deniability, or lack of due process? Perhaps lack of intellectual curiosity. Regardless, this was a Cheney program from the start.

Do you trust Dick Cheney? Would you go hunting with him?

Proof?
No, just more shit-spewing from the resident toilet expert.

It doesn't matter how much proof is provided to you. Being the asshole you are, you will just ignore the proof. The fact you don't know about Reagan's anti torture efforts on the world stage that was accepted at the United Nations shows you either don't know much about President Reagan or you are just a liar. Many people refer to the UN's anti torture convention as Reagan's Anti Torture UN Convention.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858

scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/27/reagans-convention-against-tor/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture

You nailed it, Rabbi ignored it.

Wait for it..one of 'em will come along and say "that's one thing I disagree with Saint Reagan about". Add up all their "that's one thing I disagree with St. Reagan about" and they don't agree with much...

 

[rightwinger]

As per the UN resolution on torture signed by Reagan......we did

No... we didn't. Not 'per' any instrument, signed by anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Causing mass-murderers 'discomfort' is not torture, PERIOD.

Just as patting a woman on her ass,or brushing her tit is not rape and, just as there is no right for a person of equal rights to murder another, when that other is deemed by that person to be 'inconvenient'.

And there is your problem...how many innocent men were tortured in a CIA fishing expedition?

How low must we sink in trying to feel "safe"?

We should resort to drone strikes and kill them along with their wives and children. That would taking the high moral road don't you think?

Drone strikes are a military action against a target identified as a threat. They are the equivalent of a bombing raid or attack by a military force

The rules change once someone is unarmed and under your control.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Ahhhh....so it was Bush's fault. What an interesting and original take on politics. Did mommy help you with that...idiot?

The web od deceit insured that Bush was kept in the dark. Plausible deniability, or lack of due process? Perhaps lack of intellectual curiosity. Regardless, this was a Cheney program from the start.

Do you trust Dick Cheney? Would you go hunting with him?

Proof?
No, just more shit-spewing from the resident toilet expert.

It doesn't matter how much proof is provided to you. Being the asshole you are, you will just ignore the proof. The fact you don't know about Reagan's anti torture efforts on the world stage that was accepted at the United Nations shows you either don't know much about President Reagan or you are just a liar. Many people refer to the UN's anti torture convention as Reagan's Anti Torture UN Convention.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858

scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/27/reagans-convention-against-tor/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture

You nailed it, Rabbi ignored it.

Wait for it..one of 'em will come along and say "that's one thing I disagree with Saint Reagan about". Add up all their "that's one thing I disagree with St. Reagan about" and they don't agree with much...

'Reagan contested torture in the 20th century, therefore the CIA tortured in the 21st century.'

ROFLMNAO! Idiocy on PARADE!

 

[rightwinger]

Ahhhh....so it was Bush's fault. What an interesting and original take on politics. Did mommy help you with that...idiot?

The web od deceit insured that Bush was kept in the dark. Plausible deniability, or lack of due process? Perhaps lack of intellectual curiosity. Regardless, this was a Cheney program from the start.

Do you trust Dick Cheney? Would you go hunting with him?

Proof?
No, just more shit-spewing from the resident toilet expert.

It doesn't matter how much proof is provided to you. Being the asshole you are, you will just ignore the proof. The fact you don't know about Reagan's anti torture efforts on the world stage that was accepted at the United Nations shows you either don't know much about President Reagan or you are just a liar. Many people refer to the UN's anti torture convention as Reagan's Anti Torture UN Convention.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=35858

scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2009/04/27/reagans-convention-against-tor/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture

You nailed it, Rabbi ignored it.

Wait for it..one of 'em will come along and say "that's one thing I disagree with Saint Reagan about". Add up all their "that's one thing I disagree with St. Reagan about" and they don't agree with much...

'Reagan contested torture in the 20th century, therefore the CIA tortured in the 21st century.'

ROFLMNAO! Idiocy on PARADE!

Can you link to what you have in quotes?
I can't find anything close to it

 

[boedicca]

So, the next time terrorists attack America, we should just invite them to join a big communal drumming circle at Burning Man?

 

[rightwinger]

So, the next time terrorists attack America, we should just invite them to join a big communal drumming circle at Burning Man?

No
We should continue to track them down like the filth they are

What we shouldn't do is lower ourselves down to their level of morality

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Can you link to what you have in quotes?
I can't find anything close to it

Apostrophes... indicating paraphrasing... which you can find here: #46 and throughout this thread and other threads throughout this board, where the Left references Reagan's contest of torture as a means to project that inducing stress, is axiomatic torture.

Americans do not torture prisoners... but we WILL ad often DO induce an assload of stress on 'em, where we reasonably believe that the prisoner has information essential to stopping their comrades from murdering more innocent people.

Ya see scamp, it is part and parcel of bearing the responsibility, which requires us to defend the means of others to exercise their God-given rights.

 

[jknowgood]

How we went to the Dark Side - The Week

America lost its collective mind. It was amid this mass hysteria that the Bush administration crossed a line that the U.S. had never before crossed, not even in fighting Hitler's Germany. In order to deliver us from evil, our intelligence agencies tortured people with a persistent, sadistic brutality that, we know now, left even CIA officers nauseated, shaking, and crying.

This is terrorism's sick genius. Terrorists invite us — seduce us — to share their Manichaean worldview, to respond to savagery with savagery, to join them in madness. "Make us safe!" Americans demanded. And so our elected leaders launched two wars, saw WMD where there were none, launched surveillance programs with virtually no limits, and embraced "enhanced interrogation." As justification, the White House and the CIA joined Machiavelli, Marx, and Stalin in insisting that the end justifies the means. Lots of individuals bear responsibility for the horrors detailed in the Senate committee’s torture report. But if we are honest, that journey to the Dark Side was a collective failure — and sobering evidence of how fragile our principles really are.

You're utterly naive if you believe we never tortured German prisoners. Plenty of GIs from that war have admitted we did.

Did our government direct them to do so?

Look you stupid bastard, 3 terrorist got water boarded. Obama let more than that out for 1 deserter soldier. Bush did what he had to do to save American lives. Get over It, go back to gleefully counting soldiers deaths.

 

[boedicca]

So, the next time terrorists attack America, we should just invite them to join a big communal drumming circle at Burning Man?

No
We should continue to track them down like the filth they are

What we shouldn't do is lower ourselves down to their level of morality

And exactly how are we supposed to get the information to track them down without intelligence efforts?

 

[bripat9643]

3,000 killed in a terrorist attack and this asshole wants to call EIT's sinking to their level. We have a long way to go to sink to their level RW you delusional asshole.

We were built on a Declaration of Independence and Constitution that recognized the rights of the common man against an all powerful government. Basic human rights like protections against cruel and unusual punishment, a fair trial, right to face your accuser, right to an attorney......ALL abandoned after 9-11

The Constitution doesn't protect the enemy, shit for brains.

Actually, it does
It refers to "persons" not citizens

Then how do we justify shooting them?

 

[bripat9643]

3,000 killed in a terrorist attack and this asshole wants to call EIT's sinking to their level. We have a long way to go to sink to their level RW you delusional asshole.

We were built on a Declaration of Independence and Constitution that recognized the rights of the common man against an all powerful government. Basic human rights like protections against cruel and unusual punishment, a fair trial, right to face your accuser, right to an attorney......ALL abandoned after 9-11

The Constitution doesn't protect the enemy, shit for brains.

Actually, it does
It refers to "persons" not citizens

It refers to "the people." That means citizens, not foreigners. Furthermore, how do explain the fact that we shoot people without a trial during a war?

 

[2aguy]

America lost its collective mind. It was amid this mass hysteria that the Bush administration crossed a line that the U.S. had never before crossed, not even in fighting Hitler's Germany.

You do realize that as far back as the Revolution, General George Washington hanged unlawful enemy combatants...right? That Roosevelt executed German, unlawful enemy combatants who were captured on American soil...right? and even killed an American convicted of spying...right?

So please...which is worse....hanging unlawful enemy combatants...or dribbling water down their throats and doing a sinus rinse on them through water boarding....

Yes...we have done it before....

 

[bripat9643]

As per the UN resolution on torture signed by Reagan......we did

No... we didn't. Not 'per' any instrument, signed by anyone, anywhere, at any time.

Causing mass-murderers 'discomfort' is not torture, PERIOD.

Just as patting a woman on her ass,or brushing her tit is not rape and, just as there is no right for a person of equal rights to murder another, when that other is deemed by that person to be 'inconvenient'.

And there is your problem...how many innocent men were tortured in a CIA fishing expedition?

How low must we sink in trying to feel "safe"?

We should resort to drone strikes and kill them along with their wives and children. That would taking the high moral road don't you think?

Drone strikes are a military action against a target identified as a threat. They are the equivalent of a bombing raid or attack by a military force

The rules change once someone is unarmed and under your control.

According to you the targets all have Constitutional rights.

 

[2aguy]

This is the problem with libs...history starts when the wake up in the morning, and resets when they go to sleep at night...

here are German, unlawful enemy combatants who were captured on American soil.....and executed....

German saboteurs executed in Washington mdash History.com This Day in History mdash 8 8 1942

During World War II, six German saboteurs who secretly entered theUnited States on a mission to attack its civil infrastructure are executed by the United States for spying. Two other saboteurs who disclosed the plot to the FBI and aided U.S. authorities in their manhunt for their collaborators were imprisoned.

To preserve wartime secrecy, President Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered a special military tribunal consisting of seven generals to try the saboteurs. At the end of July, Dasch was sentenced to 30 years in prison, Burger was sentenced to hard labor for life, and the other six Germans were sentenced to die. The six condemned saboteurs were executed by electric chair in Washington, D.C., on August 8. In 1944, two other German spies were caught after a landing in Maine. No other instances of German sabotage within wartime America has come to light.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So, the next time terrorists attack America, we should just invite them to join a big communal drumming circle at Burning Man?

No
We should continue to track them down like the filth they are

What we shouldn't do is lower ourselves down to their level of morality

So we shouldn't torture them? And instead use techniques to get the information we need without injuring them mentally or physically... . Agreed.

Therefore you must then agree, that since we NEED THE INFORMATION THEY HAVE, it is only reasonable that we will do what we did when Bush was President and induce significant stress upon the prisoner, causing them great discomfort, which intrinsically instill the desire in the prisoner for comfort, even as we provide for them an inherent path through which they can, and inevitably DO, acquire such.