Terri Schiavo's Feeding Tube to be Removed on Friday

[Eightball]

I doubt anyone could honestly say that they have a "handle" on the topic of suffering.

Does anyone remember that movie with Jane Fonda......"They Shoot Horses Don't They?"

That movie just hit me..........

Is it possible that even in the medical field, with the stringent desires to uphold all that is ethical, moral, with the exposure to so much physical, human trauma that we as humans can or may become rather calloused to suffering as a way of protecting ourselves from the impact of witnessing so much of it on a day-to-day basis?

My youngest son who is a 1st year Med Student did some volunteer work in ER for the last few years. I noticed a pronounced change in him when ever the topic of human injury or suffering was brought up in conversation. He had to force himself to not let his emotions control his judgement. He was exposed to some pretty graphic stuff as an under-graduate before Med School. He witnessed grieving familys, and actually had to literally, "bag" some unfortunates that had died in the ER. It left a big impact on him. I'm not inferring that those in medicine have a skewed outlook on life issues.......and suffering, but I could see the possibility of one becoming rather closed-up in the area of ethics, with the dibilitated, and dieing.

 

[Annie]

I doubt anyone could honestly say that they have a "handle" on the topic of suffering.

Does anyone remember that movie with Jane Fonda......"They Shoot Horses Don't They?"

That movie just hit me..........

Is it possible that even in the medical field, with the stringent desires to uphold all that is ethical, moral, with the exposure to so much physical, human trauma that we as humans can or may become rather calloused to suffering as a way of protecting ourselves from the impact of witnessing so much of it on a day-to-day basis?

My youngest son who is a 1st year Med Student did some volunteer work in ER for the last few years. I noticed a pronounced change in him when ever the topic of human injury or suffering was brought up in conversation. He had to force himself to not let his emotions control his judgement. He was exposed to some pretty graphic stuff as an under-graduate before Med School. He witnessed grieving familys, and actually had to literally, "bag" some unfortunates that had died in the ER. It left a big impact on him. I'm not inferring that those in medicine have a skewed outlook on life issues.......and suffering, but I could see the possibility of one becoming rather closed-up in the area of ethics, with the dibilitated, and dieing.

I think this sums up Bully's position. I believe he is a nurse or other support medical specialist, he is seeing people that perhaps do not have family around to support them. He also has the family experience that he has written about, which I respect. The family came to a meeting of the minds of what the 'loved one' wanted.

This however is not true in Terri's case. Her 'husband' and parents are not in agreement. Those that side with the husband regarding testimony are very aligned with him, she left no clear picture of her wishes. She was young and that is more than understandable. But on the 'fog' I have to agree with GW, in case of 'error' make it on the side of life. Food is not 'extraordinary.'

 

[Bullypulpit]

I think this sums up Bully's position. I believe he is a nurse or other support medical specialist, he is seeing people that perhaps do not have family around to support them. He also has the family experience that he has written about, which I respect. The family came to a meeting of the minds of what the 'loved one' wanted.

This however is not true in Terri's case. Her 'husband' and parents are not in agreement. Those that side with the husband regarding testimony are very aligned with him, she left no clear picture of her wishes. She was young and that is more than understandable. But on the 'fog' I have to agree with GW, in case of 'error' make it on the side of life. Food is not 'extraordinary.'

Any means which artificially extends life beyond what would otherwise be possible in their absence are considered "extraordinary means". This would include total parenteral nutrition given through a IV line and parenteral nutrition give through a feeding tube.

BTW, I'm a hospice nurse.

 

[Zhukov]

People might wonder what in the world your responding to!!! Try to post a link to my comment and see what happens!!!

You're gonna have to pick up the pace at bit!

Good luck.

 

[krisy]

I just keep going back to what Gem originally posted. The doctors and their opinions. There have been a lot of comments in the media about how long this has gone on and "this judge" has had the case for 5 years now. I say,so. Does that mean that several reputable neuroligists should be ignored? How do we know what could happen with more rehabilitation until we try? And last, can we starve someone? What I heard yesterday over and over in the news was that there was absolute evidence that Terri said she would not want to live this way. Hmmmm,did the judge see a video of her saying this?Then I hear on the radio yesterday that it was her and her husband sitting on a couch watching a movie about a coma patient,when she made the comment. Uh,Terri isn't in a coma,and I'm willing to bet that if she thought she could be rehibilitated she would have wanted that for as long as it took. Who wouldn't?

There was a geriatric doctor on Dayside with Linda Vester yesterday saying that she isn't going to be in a lot of pain ,and that they have lip balm and spray for her lips. It sounded freaking ridiculous,and the audience wasn't buying it either. Like that is going to justify the hunger pains and everything else. If this goes on,I really fear what will come of this case in the future,in regards to other cases. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Itsthetruth]

Saturday, March 19, 2005
Ann Coulter asks: "Where's my feeding tube?"

WASHINGTON, D.C. - For the past few weeks, a huge national debate has arisen over whether doctors should remove the feeding tube of Terri Sciavo, the brain-damaged woman who has been comatose for over 15 years. Yesterday, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter chimed in with her take on the issue.

"Liberals are fighting tooth and nail to remove Terri Sciavo's feeding tube," said Coulter, "They would rather murder a sleeping beauty than murder a killer like Brian Nichols or a traitor like John Walker Lind. Liberals have no idea what it's like to starve to death. I mean, look at me. Do you think this is fun? Where's my feeding tube? I'm wasting away over here."

Air America talk show host Randi Rhodes commented, "It's obvious that Ann Coulter is even more brain-dead than Terri Sciavo. I mean, she just recently asserted that Canada sent troops to the Vietnam War. Not even Sciavo would say something that dumb."

Rhodes added, "Ann's problem must be a lack of nutrition. Although Ann can still somehow walk and talk, I'm afraid she's lost the ability to eat. Now that there's an extra feeding tube available, will somebody please give it to Ann Coulter?"

http://benquirer.blogspot.com/

George Bush and John Kerry were both members of the Skull and Bones Society".

Ann Coulter is not eligible to join that group however she can join the "Skin And Bones Society".

 

[Eightball]

Please excuse the double-post, as this is thread is on another Terry Schiavo thread in the general chat forum too.

My wife on her way home from work heard on the radio(KSFO AM San Francisco) that before removing the tube, she was asked if she would only say, "I want to live." She(Terry) then started to say, vocally, yes, vocally..........."IIIIIIIIIIIII.............Waaaaaaaa........" and that's all she could get out.

Now to those who want to be merciful, in the name of "erroring on the side of death", does that sound or seem like the movements of a vegetative human? There's your cognitive response too!!!!

There's going to be some big, painful, answering required of those that are writing-off this cognitive, though disabled women's life!!

A travesty is being done here in the name of law!

 

[krisy]

Please excuse the double-post, as this is thread is on another Terry Schiavo thread in the general chat forum too.

My wife on her way home from work heard on the radio(KSFO AM San Francisco) that before removing the tube, she was asked if she would only say, "I want to live." She(Terry) then started to say, vocally, yes, vocally..........."IIIIIIIIIIIII.............Waaaaaaaa........" and that's all she could get out.

Now to those who want to be merciful, in the name of "erroring on the side of death", does that sound or seem like the movements of a vegetative human? There's your cognitive response too!!!!

There's going to be some big, painful, answering required of those that are writing-off this cognitive, though disabled women's life!!

A travesty is being done here in the name of law!

That gives me the chills!!! Congress better come up with something...soon!!!

 

[Itsthetruth]

My wife on her way home from work heard on the radio(KSFO AM San Francisco) that before removing the tube, she was asked if she would only say, "I want to live." She(Terry) then started to say, vocally, yes, vocally..........."IIIIIIIIIIIII.............Waaaaaaaa........" and that's all she could get out.

Interesting. Can you provide a link to this hot "news story"?

 

[Itsthetruth]

That's not your job to ask #1, and if you read it was stated that it was heard on the radio! Why not make like a dog and go lick your nuts, your so annoying!

Most radio/TV stations now have websites up and running. You didn't know that? You're assuming the poster doesn't have a link to this hot news story. If the poster does have a news link don't you want them to post it?

What's your point?

 

[Annie]

You're assuming the poster doesn't have a link to this hot news story. If she/he does have a link don't you want them to post it?

What's your point?

~typing real slow~ HE SAID HIS WIFE HEARD IT ON THE RADIO!

Believe it or not, some can do more than cut and paste.

 

[krisy]

Saturday, March 19, 2005
Ann Coulter asks: "Where's my feeding tube?"

WASHINGTON, D.C. - For the past few weeks, a huge national debate has arisen over whether doctors should remove the feeding tube of Terri Sciavo, the brain-damaged woman who has been comatose for over 15 years. Yesterday, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter chimed in with her take on the issue.

"Liberals are fighting tooth and nail to remove Terri Sciavo's feeding tube," said Coulter, "They would rather murder a sleeping beauty than murder a killer like Brian Nichols or a traitor like John Walker Lind. Liberals have no idea what it's like to starve to death. I mean, look at me. Do you think this is fun? Where's my feeding tube? I'm wasting away over here."

Air America talk show host Randi Rhodes commented, "It's obvious that Ann Coulter is even more brain-dead than Terri Sciavo. I mean, she just recently asserted that Canada sent troops to the Vietnam War. Not even Sciavo would say something that dumb."

Rhodes added, "Ann's problem must be a lack of nutrition. Although Ann can still somehow walk and talk, I'm afraid she's lost the ability to eat. Now that there's an extra feeding tube available, will somebody please give it to Ann Coulter?"

http://benquirer.blogspot.com/

George Bush and John Kerry were both members of the Skull and Bones Society".

Ann Coulter is not eligible to join that group however she can join the "Skin And Bones Society".

This is not a joke to a lot of us,and personally,I don't see what Ann Coulters physical stature has to do with anything. Pretty stupid.

 

[Itsthetruth]

I can see something on a TV newscast or hear a radio news broadcast and than read about the story at their website. CNN for example.

Of course, if the person doesn't have a computer that would be difficult. However, I think it's pretty likely the person who posted here has a computer!

So what's your point?

 

[Avatar4321]

This is not a joke to a lot of us,and personally,I don't see what Ann Coulters physical stature has to do with anything. Pretty stupid.

Isnt it obvious? lefties are jealous how good she looks

 

[Avatar4321]

Apparently Michael is speaking out against Congress's involvement now. You know, if he succeeds at killing his wife. we ought to charge him for murder. Premediated and in cold blood.

 

[Itsthetruth]

This is not a joke to a lot of us,and personally,I don't see what Ann Coulters physical stature has to do with anything. Pretty stupid.

Coulter looks like she just stepped out of a concentration camp.

She obviously needs medical attention and I care!

Let's show a little human compassion for poor Ann .... please!

 

[krisy]

Coulter looks like she just stepped out of a concentration camp.

She obviously needs medical attention and I care!

Let's show a little human compassion for poor Ann .... please!

Grow the f*ck up,please. Have you said anything legtimate in this thread,or are you just here to horass people? I've seen your threads at DU. Why don't you go over there and behave like this...it would fit in better there.

 

[Eightball]

Interesting. Can you provide a link to this hot "news story"?

I'm sorry, I only have my wife's statement this morning. KSFO AM is a major conservative talk/radio station in the San Francisco, Bay Area.

It was the "THE BRIAN SUSSMAN SHOW", and the link to that page is

http://www.ksfo.com/viewentry.asp?ID=325987&PT=Program Summaries

Brian was not hosting the show last night. He had someone substituting for him, and that's the person that made the statement that my wife heard while commuting home in the early evening (PST).

Why don't you email or phone the station and get a validated or denied?

I don't want to be the harbinger of false news. Check it out yourself.

The station carries Limbaugh, Dr. Laura, Savage, and their local hosts. Sorry, that it isn't a liberal biased station, but that's what my wife listens to. Crimoney! Why am I apologizing!

 

[SmarterThanYou]

I would imagine something that profound would have made foxnews and well.......I'm just not seeing it.

 

[Itsthetruth]

I'm sorry, I only have my wife's statement this morning. KSFO AM is a major conservative talk/radio station in the San Francisco, Bay Area.
Why don't you email or phone the station and get a validated or denied?

Why am I apologizing!

I don't know why you're apologizing. No need to. Sorry, I don't have the time to help all posters find links to information they post here. That's not my job. I post links to news I present here. That's my job and responsibility.

I hope you are successful in finding a link to validate the news you presented here. It's a blockbuster!

Good luck to ya!