Terri Schiavo's Feeding Tube to be Removed on Friday

[dilloduck]

its a federal intervention into the courts of a state. A direct and unconcsionable violation of the 10th amendment and I can't wait to see this ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. even scalia should see it that way or we now have to deal with the republicans agreeing that we have a living constitution.

and Schaivo has rights under the 14th amendment in question----hell your challenging our constitutional right to revolt against judcial BS

 

[Avatar4321]

first off, you can not prove that he tried to murder his wife. There WAS an investigation at the onset and there was NO probable cause. Secondly, you continue to equate compliance with terri's wish to not live like this with murder. what is YOUR solution to complying with terri's wish? EVEN IF you dont' agree NOW, what is your solution if the USSC agrees that its terri's wish?

Im going to make this very clear. Terri never made a wish to not live like this. You cant seem to understand this. Just because a judge says she wouldnt want to live in this state doesnt mean its her wish. You cant comply with Terri's wish because no one knows them.

Michael has even said that Michael didnt know what Terri wanted. He made it clear on Larry King that its what He wants not what she wants.

and it was apparently dismissed by the florida courts as being false.

From what i understand the affidavit from the nurse is a new development. the nurse proved that she can swallow and michael wont allow her to work on trying to swallow.

you obviously didn't get the sarcasm of quoting things out of context like zhukov did. You also seem to conveniently forget that I'm NOT a roe v wade supporter.

I dont give a flying heck of you are roe v wade supporter. Im just refuting your assertion that fighting gay marriage is somehow incompatible with honoring the sanctity of life.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

and Schaivo has rights under the 14th amendment in question----hell your challenging our constitutional right to revolt against judcial BS

its only judicial BS when you don't agree with it but there is a serious flaw in your thinking. the 14th amendment WAS utilized through the courts when the florida supreme court ruled that terri's law was unconstitutional and it will be done again on a federal level. what will you do then? abolish all states rights and courts?

 

[SmarterThanYou]

Im going to make this very clear. Terri never made a wish to not live like this. You cant seem to understand this. Just because a judge says she wouldnt want to live in this state doesnt mean its her wish. You cant comply with Terri's wish because no one knows them.

Michael has even said that Michael didnt know what Terri wanted. He made it clear on Larry King that its what He wants not what she wants.

yet court testimony shows that not just her husband but her friend and an inlaw said thats what terri wished for. Do you think the court just pulled a piece of paper out of a hat or an idea out of their ass?

From what i understand the affidavit from the nurse is a new development. the nurse proved that she can swallow and michael wont allow her to work on trying to swallow.

Theres ALWAYS a new development in court cases. I doubt you'll be so amenable to death penalty cases if theres a 'new development'.

I dont give a flying heck of you are roe v wade supporter. Im just refuting your assertion that fighting gay marriage is somehow incompatible with honoring the sanctity of life.

its a slap in the face of every state in this union. you and yours who 'support life' have destroyed states rights in all of them.

 

[dilloduck]

its only judicial BS when you don't agree with it but there is a serious flaw in your thinking. the 14th amendment WAS utilized through the courts when the florida supreme court ruled that terri's law was unconstitutional and it will be done again on a federal level. what will you do then? abolish all states rights and courts?

It's only one case----at least now she will get some representation which she hasn't had before. It will go one way or the other and she will either be left to die or she will be given a chance to live out her life. Nothing else will be affected but debate will continue regarding pro-life issues and states rights issues--don't expect anything earth shattering here.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

It's only one case----at least now she will get some representation which she hasn't had before. It will go one way or the other and she will either be left to die or she will be given a chance to live out her life. Nothing else will be affected but debate will continue regarding pro-life issues and states rights issues--don't expect anything earth shattering here.

whenever government has stepped in to change something over ONE case, it has, and will continue to, have far reaching affect in all cases. you should know this.

 

[dilloduck]

whenever government has stepped in to change something over ONE case, it has, and will continue to, have far reaching affect in all cases. you should know this.

Not always---and if this case does anything to resolve state right issues, whats' the problem?

 

[SmarterThanYou]

Not always---and if this case does anything to resolve state right issues, whats' the problem?

well, i guess time will tell and when the future shows that it does have far reaching effects into the personal lives of americans, it will be smothered over by spin and rhetoric. what a pitiful lot of people we all are.

 

[dilloduck]

well, i guess time will tell and when the future shows that it does have far reaching effects into the personal lives of americans, it will be smothered over by spin and rhetoric. what a pitiful lot of people we all are.

agreed--and I'll add shallow and ignorant to your assessment.

 

[no1tovote4]

Fox News just reported that Terry Schiavos sister is saying that Michael has suspened all family visits. If true,he is a true SOB!!!!They said they has video,but something got screwed up.

I thought he did that years ago when they brushed her teeth after he stopped that kind of care.

 

[no1tovote4]

its a federal intervention into the courts of a state. A direct and unconcsionable violation of the 10th amendment and I can't wait to see this ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. even scalia should see it that way or we now have to deal with the republicans agreeing that we have a living constitution.

If there were a provision giving this specific right to the states I would agree with you, but there is not. Congress has a right to make laws as part of the checks and balances. If they believe that the courts have overstepped their bounds they have the right to change the laws and balance it out whether you appreciate their decision or not. This was bipartisan in support of the provision, write your Congressman if you really believe that they have overstepped their bounds.

 

[Zhukov]

you obviously didn't get the sarcasm of quoting things out of context like zhukov did. You also seem to conveniently forget that I'm NOT a roe v wade supporter.

Excuse me? What precisely did I take out of context?

 

[Bonnie]

all you've done is approve the US congress to pick and choose what parts of the constitution apply and what does not in any given case. You act as if the state of florida is not bound by that same constitution.

Well then lets just throw away the 8th and 14th amendments. I seem to remember when liberals wanted the legislature to have federal courts step in during the Rodney King case when the cops were acquited by the State of CA........If it can happen for something like that, then it is certainly justified in the case of this womans life.

Guaranteed that if the parents had won this florida state case, nobody would be bitching about getting congress involved. That should tell you the intrusiveness you're approving just to have your way.

If the parents had won in Fla courts their daughter would be in a hospoital right now having more tests, rehabilitation, and she would be in the guardianship of her family whose ONLY benefit of this is saving their daughters life. And Michael Schiavo would be able to marry the woman he has been shacking up with to live his life, without the 700,000 thousand dollars.

 

[Bonnie]

Smarter Than You well, i guess time will tell and when the future shows that it does have far reaching effects into the personal lives of americans, it will be smothered over by spin and rhetoric. what a pitiful lot of people we all are.

Yes we are so pitiful in trying to save a womans life..Well we should all be so ashamed.

Maybe we should also just let those in third world countries starve then?? After all what do they have to live for? Let them starve to death ah I mean die with dignity.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

what does that have to do with it. what has happened is the sanctity of my marriage just became a government affair. I cannot make a decision on the medical care of my wife without a federal review. thats what it boils down to.

You keep bringing up the sanctity of marriage. Nothing wrong with that idea but exactly what is meant by the sanctity of marriage?

It appears to me that Terri should have divorced her husband long ago since he obviously no longer is keeping the sanctity of marriage. But I guess that did not happen because nobody can legally represent Terri in a divorce because she cannot speak for herself. However, any normal woman would divorce a husband who is fraternizing on the side and having another woman's children. His life is not really with her anymore. I'd say that Terri's husband has long ago broken the sanctity of marriage and has been null and void for a long time now if we are really talking about the sanctity of marriage.

If liberals think the sanctity of marriage is so important then why don't liberals support the sanctity of marriage when a husband wants a choice in the life or death of his baby? Why does the husband have the power of life or death over his wife but not his baby?

It appears that the government has broken the sanctity of marriage with regard to abortion but now the argument is that the sanctity of marriage should apply in the Schiavo case which certainly appears to be a contradiction in logic, if not in ideology.

 

[Gem]

When discussing the sanctity of marriage as it relates to the Terri Shiavo case...it is also interesting to note and take into consideration that Michael Shiavo only mentioned his wife's wish to die by starvation after his million dollar settlement AND his engagement to another woman while he was claiming, as he did in his malpractice suit, that he needed the money to continue care and rehab for Terri for the rest of her days.

So hadn't Michael Shiavo already violated his sanctity of marriage by promising to marry another woman before he had killed his first wife?

 

[Bonnie]

When discussing the sanctity of marriage as it relates to the Terri Shiavo case...it is also interesting to note and take into consideration that Michael Shiavo only mentioned his wife's wish to die by starvation after his million dollar settlement AND his engagement to another woman while he was claiming, as he did in his malpractice suit, that he needed the money to continue care and rehab for Terri for the rest of her days.

So hadn't Michael Shiavo already violated his sanctity of marriage by promising to marry another woman before he had killed his first wife?

The Assault on Terri Schiavo Continues
Michael Schiavo won his fight to have his wife killed by dehydration. Now he won't even allow her parents to sit by her side.
by Wesley J. Smith
04/30/2004 9:00:00 AM

From the American Spectator



WHAT LITTLE Terri Schiavo has left in this life, is being cruelly stripped away. Not only has a judge ordered her to die slowly by dehydration via having her tube-supplied food and water removed, but now, her (estranged) husband and legal guardian Michael Schiavo has completely isolated her from her family. Ever since mysterious "puncture wounds" were supposedly detected on Terri's arm, he has refused to allow Bob and Mary Schindler, Terri's parents, to visit her.

For those who may not recall the controversy, Terri is the profoundly cognitively disabled woman who is the subject of a bitter right-to-live case in Clearwater, Florida. Michael remains in dictatorial charge of her care, even though he long ago abandoned his marriage by living with another woman and siring two children by her. He wants Terri dead (he says that is what she would want), while her parents only want to care for her properly for the rest of their lives.

Michael's behavior toward Terri has been utterly despicable for the last decade. After she collapsed in 1990, he sued for medical malpractice on her behalf. During the trial, he presented himself to the jury as a dedicated and loving husband--even though he had been romancing other women since shortly after the time of Terri's collapse and brain injury. He told the jury he would care for Terri for the rest of her life, which an expert testified would be a normal life span, and that as part of this loving devotion, he would provide her with regular medical tests and appropriate rehabilitation with the money the jury awarded.

Terri received about $750,000 in early 1993, and Michael about $300,000 for loss of her companionship. As soon as Terri's money was safely in the bank, Michael put her two cats to sleep. He then melted down her wedding and engagement rings to make a ring for himself. Medical records indicate that Terri went for years without having her teeth cleaned, as an apparent consequence of which, she recently had five teeth extracted.

And, he wanted his wife dead. Within a year of the verdict, he refused to allow doctors to treat her with antibiotics to treat a serious infection, claiming that Terri would not want to live in her disabled condition--a point he somehow forgot to mention to the malpractice jury. Not coincidentally, had she died, he would have inherited her $700,000. Terri's parents sued to mandate care, and their relationship with Michael was forever poisoned.

Thereafter, medical records indicate, Terri had none of the medical testing Michael told the malpractice jury he would provide her, and apparently she received no rehabilitation. Indeed, nurses who cared for her in the mid-1990s filed sworn affidavits claiming that Michael repeatedly refused doctor recommendations that Terri be provided therapy.

As bad as Michael has been, in many ways, the performance of Judge George W. Greer of the Sixth Judicial Circuit, the jurist who oversees Terri's case, has been even worse. Over the years Greer has repeatedly allowed Michael to shirk his legal mandate as guardian to file annual prospective "guardianship plans," specifying his proposal for providing for Terri's medical and social needs for the coming year.

The Florida legislature considered annual court approval of the guardianship plan so crucial to the proper protection of the incapacitated, that the law explicitly states that the "court must review" a new plan each year to ensure that it "meets the needs of the ward." Moreover--and this is key--the law states, "the [court] approved report constitutes authority for the guardian to act in the forthcoming year. The powers of the guardian are limited by the terms of the report." [emphasis added] In other words, without an approved plan, the guardian is without legal power to act on behalf of the ward.

Yet there has been no court-approved plan for Terri's care in effect since July 1, 2001. Under the law, Greer should have hauled Michael into court to explain why he has failed to file a plan for court approval. Instead, Greer granted each of Michael's repeated (and often tardy) requests for extra time to file his plans. Meaning Judge Greer has permitted Michael to act as guardian of Terri for nearly three years without a guardianship plan in effect, even though under Florida law, this means that Michael has no legal authority over her.

The Schindler's attorney, Pat Anderson, frustrated by the many legal irregularities in the case, has now filed a crucial motion challenging Michael's authority to isolate Terri from her parents, based on his lack of legal authority in light of the absence of a court approved guardianship plan. This should be a slam-dunk. Unfortunately, Greer--the very judge who has repeatedly permitted Michael to shirk his legal duty--will decide the matter. It is hard to believe he will sanction Michael for failing to take legally mandatory actions that he gave permission to skip.

Judge Greer's performance has been so deficient that he should be removed from the case forthwith, if not impeached. Michael Schiavo should be given a size-14 boot out as Terri's legal guardian. And, since no one has any current legal authority to make decisions for Terri under Florida law, Governor Jeb Bush should direct Florida's protective services to step in, take custody, and sort the entire mess out.

This entire travesty must come to an end. Not only is the life of a helpless human being at stake, but so too are the rule of law and the application of ordered justice.


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