Tenure-- harmful or helpful?

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    The issue of tenure for teachers has always bothered me. I think that teachers comprise the backbone of our society-- developing children into students, students into learners, and learners into scholars (though it doesn't always get that far). The problem that I've seen, though, is that the tenure laws are so tight that teachers have much freedom and it takes a lot to get them fired even if they are irresponsible, lousy, and lazy. While I think tenure is good because I believe in job security, I think that the requirements to achieve it should be strenghthened and those who are tenured should be evaluated appropriately to make sure they are on top of their jobs. I say this because I had quite a few teachers who were irresponsible and lazy with little work ethic in HS and they were all tenured.
     
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    Tenure should be done away with. Schools have an inherent call for experienced teachers, yet they should be teachers that continue to improve, not be 'in a job forever' after 3-5 years.
     
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    Wow! For a teacher to say that gives me faith that at least some kids are being educated correctly.
     
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    Unconstitutional! :lol:
     
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    I'm for getting rid of tenure...at the same time investing in good teachers and finding ways to retain them as many move onto much higher paying professions. One way would be to deem a teacher effective and then the district pay for the continuing education and professional development rather than out of the teachers pocket.
     
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    Tenure-- harmful or helpful? Both of course. A faculty senate or equivalent is dedicated to good teaching will mitigate most of the problem.
     
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    At one time many teaching jobs was based politics. A different political party is elected and all the teachers fired and teachers from the winning political party hired. Teacher Credentials were not always required, lf the podunk school district deemed the applicant was a teacher bingo he or she was a teacher. One only had to declare they were going to pursue a teacher's license and take an occasional college course.
    The same, "to the victor belongs the spoils" concept was applied to most local government positions, and to some extent may still be. Clerks and others had to belong to the right party and on request, donate. Government began to cure the problem with Civil Service, and teachers with tenure. Political party still plays a large part in the promotion department.
     
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    As a first year teacher who scored above-average to exceptional on my reviews/evaluations. My test grade results were also above average for my school, county, and state. I all ready scored higher than many of my co-workers in my department.


    I don't believe in tenure at all.


    If the day ever comes that I'm unable to be an effective teacher I would like to think that I can (and SHOULD) be fired.
     
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    Tenure of all types is out-dated and counter-productive.

    Definition of tenure (n)
    Bing Dictionary

    ten·ure
    [ ténnyər ]

    appointment or period of appointment: the occupation of an official position, or the length of time that an official position is occupied
    permanent status: the position of having a formal secure appointment until retirement, especially at an institution of higher learning after working there on a temporary or provisional basis
    property rights: the rights of a tenant to hold property, or the holding of property as a tenant

    If anything, I think the movement to create tenure was a socialist ploy to ensure that a class of people are not answerable for their actions or lack thereof.
     
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    I can see some need for tenure at the university level, but there is no educational need for it in high school or below. It works against what's best for a child's education.
     

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