Tell Me Those Who Call Themselves Conservative.

[Toro]

Well, at least that's an honest answer.

However, if you kept social security, medicare and defense, you could eliminate every single program and fire every single government worker, and you'd still have a budget deficit. So cutting all discretionary spending, the DoE and the EPA while cutting taxes would still leave us with a large deficit.

That's why Socialist Insecurity and Medicare/Medicaid have to go altogether...The demographically untenable.

I'm with you. Screw old people. Let 'em suffer, let 'em die. Right?

The math simply doesn't work, rdean. The people who are getting money today didn't put in enough to justify their payments. And people aren't putting in enough to pay what they expect to be owed in the future.

To meet those obligations, there is either going to have to be fundamental reform of social security or massive tax increases. Either will absolutely, totally, positively happen. There are no other options.

 

[blu]

I still don't understand why I can't opt out of SS. All the money they steal could be much better used by me for investments

 

[Patriot214]

Unity is difficult when conservative principles and solutions are the exact opposite from those of President Obama and the current liberal-democrat party in control of congress. How can there be untiy when conservatives want the smallest government possible, while the Obama administration has made the Federal Government the largest employer in the country? Conservatives want health insurance to remain private and Obama wants a $1 trillion dollar government health plan. Conservatives do not support creating goverment programs to solve problems. But, Obama has created more and increased funding to those that already exist.

The point is, there cannot be unity when the ideas from both sides are nowhere near close in the political spectrum. As a conservative, I am not interested in a party or a candidate that will align with the radical policies of this extreme left-wing administration. I am more interested in a party, movement or candidate that will stand for the principles found in The Constitution and defeat anyone or anything that gets in the way.

 

[oreo]

What is your plan for getting back to fiscal responsibility and liberty?

Because we're getting near summer and so far no real unity on the proper issues is occurring.

And don't give me that Tea Party crap either. That's a good thing but there needs to be unity behind liberty-minded candidates too.

Well--what in the heck do you think the tea party is about? It's all about fiscal responsibility and cutting government down to size---

Meaning cutting every government agency--eliminating earmarks, political pay-backs and pay--offs and obliterating government waste.

The ONLY way we succeed is if government is 1/2 the size it is now.

 

[Big Fitz]

Here's the scorched earth plan I'd like to see. It'll never happen though.

30% budgetary cuts to every department across the board. Real cuts, not cuts on increases.

Repeal all new programs and spending post 2005 and institute a 10 year budgetary freeze for ALL spending including discretionary at that level.

End all bailouts, repay the TARP money back to the lenders in total and get that debt off our books

Shut down Freddie and Fannie's spending and maintain what they have on the books, spending the time and effort to sell off what it can to private holders. Then let the housing market collapse to it's proper level so it can have a true rebound.

Tax cuts to near zero on investment capital spent inside the borders of the US.

Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. (or institute a 12% flat tax with no exemptions or subsidies or wealth redistribution.)

Pass harsher penalties for politicians receiving bribes and unethical deals from any source, up to and including the death penalty for rampant corruption. I want them scared to death of being unethical.

That would be a good way to go I think.

 

[rdean]

Unity is difficult when conservative principles and solutions are the exact opposite from those of President Obama and the current liberal-democrat party in control of congress. How can there be untiy when conservatives want the smallest government possible, while the Obama administration has made the Federal Government the largest employer in the country? Conservatives want health insurance to remain private and Obama wants a $1 trillion dollar government health plan. Conservatives do not support creating goverment programs to solve problems. But, Obama has created more and increased funding to those that already exist.

The point is, there cannot be unity when the ideas from both sides are nowhere near close in the political spectrum. As a conservative, I am not interested in a party or a candidate that will align with the radical policies of this extreme left-wing administration. I am more interested in a party, movement or candidate that will stand for the principles found in The Constitution and defeat anyone or anything that gets in the way.

It would be great if you weren't wrong on both counts.

Health care companies are bleeding this country dry. They ARE the death panels. What company raises rates by 12 to 30% every year? They don't even do anything. They just skim money off policies and when someone gets sick, they get cut. How can companies that don't make anything have private jets and pay CEOs up to 73 million dollars? How is that possible? Don't conservatives THINK at all?

Extreme are stupid conservatives who can't think for themselves. Small government indeed. Then why are they so desperate to get into people's bedrooms? And start wars so they feel "safe". Takes big government to wage war. And where does the money come from?

And Obama wants a trillion dollar health care plan? How dumbass stupid. We got that with the Republican drug give a way. At least a trillion, maybe even 5. Go look it up. Know what you are talking about before you repeat such stupid talking points.

 

[rdean]

Here's the scorched earth plan I'd like to see. It'll never happen though.

30% budgetary cuts to every department across the board. Real cuts, not cuts on increases.

Repeal all new programs and spending post 2005 and institute a 10 year budgetary freeze for ALL spending including discretionary at that level.

End all bailouts, repay the TARP money back to the lenders in total and get that debt off our books

Shut down Freddie and Fannie's spending and maintain what they have on the books, spending the time and effort to sell off what it can to private holders. Then let the housing market collapse to it's proper level so it can have a true rebound.

Tax cuts to near zero on investment capital spent inside the borders of the US.

Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. (or institute a 12% flat tax with no exemptions or subsidies or wealth redistribution.)

Pass harsher penalties for politicians receiving bribes and unethical deals from any source, up to and including the death penalty for rampant corruption. I want them scared to death of being unethical.

That would be a good way to go I think.

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Here's the scorched earth plan I'd like to see. It'll never happen though.

30% budgetary cuts to every department across the board. Real cuts, not cuts on increases.

Repeal all new programs and spending post 2005 and institute a 10 year budgetary freeze for ALL spending including discretionary at that level.

End all bailouts, repay the TARP money back to the lenders in total and get that debt off our books

Shut down Freddie and Fannie's spending and maintain what they have on the books, spending the time and effort to sell off what it can to private holders. Then let the housing market collapse to it's proper level so it can have a true rebound.

Tax cuts to near zero on investment capital spent inside the borders of the US.

Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. (or institute a 12% flat tax with no exemptions or subsidies or wealth redistribution.)

Pass harsher penalties for politicians receiving bribes and unethical deals from any source, up to and including the death penalty for rampant corruption. I want them scared to death of being unethical.

That would be a good way to go I think.

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

 

[rdean]

That's why Socialist Insecurity and Medicare/Medicaid have to go altogether...The demographically untenable.

I'm with you. Screw old people. Let 'em suffer, let 'em die. Right?

No...Screw you, dickweed.

What is wrong with you? Cut Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security and what the hell do you think happens to old people? Come on. Give us a "teaching moment".

 

[rdean]

Here's the scorched earth plan I'd like to see. It'll never happen though.

30% budgetary cuts to every department across the board. Real cuts, not cuts on increases.

Repeal all new programs and spending post 2005 and institute a 10 year budgetary freeze for ALL spending including discretionary at that level.

End all bailouts, repay the TARP money back to the lenders in total and get that debt off our books

Shut down Freddie and Fannie's spending and maintain what they have on the books, spending the time and effort to sell off what it can to private holders. Then let the housing market collapse to it's proper level so it can have a true rebound.

Tax cuts to near zero on investment capital spent inside the borders of the US.

Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. (or institute a 12% flat tax with no exemptions or subsidies or wealth redistribution.)

Pass harsher penalties for politicians receiving bribes and unethical deals from any source, up to and including the death penalty for rampant corruption. I want them scared to death of being unethical.

That would be a good way to go I think.

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

I love the way Republican leaders get their base to do their dirty work. Nothing like working against your own self interest.

 

[blu]

I'm with you. Screw old people. Let 'em suffer, let 'em die. Right?

No...Screw you, dickweed.

What is wrong with you? Cut Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security and what the hell do you think happens to old people? Come on. Give us a "teaching moment".

they become responsible or they die. people don't plan for retirement because they think the government will bail them out until they die. People should also be putting money away into accounts to help cover medical costs for when they get old. Social security is what needs to go, people need to learn how to invest and save money long term. I almost could agree with medicaid if it didn't cover everything under the sun, leaving no responsbility to the old.

 

[blu]

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

I love the way Republican leaders get their base to do their dirty work. Nothing like working against your own self interest.

how is giving back stolen money against my self interest?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

I love the way Republican leaders get their base to do their dirty work. Nothing like working against your own self interest.

I don't think I'm considered the Republican base, not being a member of the Republican Party and all.

 

[rdean]

My plan would be across the board tax cuts, reduce (and I don't mean decrease the size of growth) of discretionary spending, eliminate the EPA and department of education.

WHAT THE FUCK?????

How much do you hate this country?

What are you? "V"?

which part of his post reflects hate of the country?

All of it.

We are currently paying the lowest taxes in 40 or 50 years.

We have two unpaid wars going on. One started by Bin Laden, the other one by the Republicans. War is expensive.

Eliminate the EPA? So dirty air and dirty water are "good"? You believe in "voluntary compliance"? Let's end speed limits, find out how well that works, and while you are at it, how about you buy a car that has no safety regulations. Would you feel good about putting you family in it and driving at 90 mph?

And while we are at it. Let's just eliminate education all together. We need to spread the stupid. One political party isn't enough. Let's make everyone stupid.

What the hell is wrong with you people? Seriously? You're all crazy.

 

[rdean]

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

I love the way Republican leaders get their base to do their dirty work. Nothing like working against your own self interest.

I don't think I'm considered the Republican base, not being a member of the Republican Party and all.

Yea, yea sure.

In the 50s and 60s, the tax rate was 75 to 90% and the rich still drove Ferraris and had private jets and lived in mansions. AND, the CEO averaged 30 times the pay of regular workers. To get more money, they grew the company.

Look what goes on today. CEOs get 300 to 400 times the salary of the average worker. And are they "growing the company"? Fuck no. They are sending the jobs overseas so they can make a killing over the next year. They are laying people off. They are raping the workers, squeezing them for every cent.

Tax breaks to people who move company headquarters to the Cayman Islands or Switzerland to avoid paying taxes?

These companies are raping this nation, screwing it right up the ass and Republicans/conservatives are saying, "It's not hard enough, give me more".

 

[Big Fitz]

Here's the scorched earth plan I'd like to see. It'll never happen though.

30% budgetary cuts to every department across the board. Real cuts, not cuts on increases.

Repeal all new programs and spending post 2005 and institute a 10 year budgetary freeze for ALL spending including discretionary at that level.

End all bailouts, repay the TARP money back to the lenders in total and get that debt off our books

Shut down Freddie and Fannie's spending and maintain what they have on the books, spending the time and effort to sell off what it can to private holders. Then let the housing market collapse to it's proper level so it can have a true rebound.

Tax cuts to near zero on investment capital spent inside the borders of the US.

Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. (or institute a 12% flat tax with no exemptions or subsidies or wealth redistribution.)

Pass harsher penalties for politicians receiving bribes and unethical deals from any source, up to and including the death penalty for rampant corruption. I want them scared to death of being unethical.

That would be a good way to go I think.

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

Strange. The wealthy made the money... they're not entitled to keep it I take it?

Have they made enough?

There comes a time when you've gotten enough freebies for nothing. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Big Fitz]

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

Please allow me to correct your erroneous statement. It should read:

"Yes, from the rightful owners of the wealth to the government."

Clear communication is so important.

 

[rdean]

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

I love the way Republican leaders get their base to do their dirty work. Nothing like working against your own self interest.

how is giving back stolen money against my self interest?

Yea, money stolen from the workers and the country. You must be one of those that feel companies should have "citizens" rights.

 

[Big Fitz]

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

Yes, from the government to the rightful owners of the wealth.

I love the way Republican leaders get their base to do their dirty work. Nothing like working against your own self interest.

Now, since I'm poor, and find it unethical that I am the recipient of stolen money and therefore have refused it on MANY occasions by not taking obviously redistributionist exemptions, I'm working against my own self interest? Maybe. But my conscience is clean, and my integrity is still intact.

What? You don't think conservatives can be poor?

 

[rdean]

Here's the scorched earth plan I'd like to see. It'll never happen though.

30% budgetary cuts to every department across the board. Real cuts, not cuts on increases.

Repeal all new programs and spending post 2005 and institute a 10 year budgetary freeze for ALL spending including discretionary at that level.

End all bailouts, repay the TARP money back to the lenders in total and get that debt off our books

Shut down Freddie and Fannie's spending and maintain what they have on the books, spending the time and effort to sell off what it can to private holders. Then let the housing market collapse to it's proper level so it can have a true rebound.

Tax cuts to near zero on investment capital spent inside the borders of the US.

Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. (or institute a 12% flat tax with no exemptions or subsidies or wealth redistribution.)

Pass harsher penalties for politicians receiving bribes and unethical deals from any source, up to and including the death penalty for rampant corruption. I want them scared to death of being unethical.

That would be a good way to go I think.

The Bush tax cuts were 'wealth redistribution".

Strange. The wealthy made the money... they're not entitled to keep it I take it?

Have they made enough?

There comes a time when you've gotten enough freebies for nothing. Wouldn't you agree?

Made it or stole it? Here's some good reading for you. Explain where I'm wrong.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ll-themselves-conservative-8.html#post2313482