Tell me again why Barack Obama has been such a bad president

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    by Peter Wehner
    08.26.2011 - 12:41 PM
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    “Tell me again why Barack Obama has been such a bad president?” Jonathan Alter writes in his column.

    Alter tells us he’s not talking here about Obama as a tactician and communicator, and he’s not interested in hearing ad hominem attacks or about people’s generalized “disappointment.” (Neither am I.) He wants to know on a substantive basis why Obama should be judged to have failed so far.

    In Alter’s words, “Your mission, Jim [or anyone else for that matter], should you decide to accept it, is to be specific and rational, not vague and visceral.”

    Consider the mission accepted.

    In one sense, the answer to the Alter challenge is obvious: Obama has failed by his own standards. It’s the Obama administration, not the RNC, that said if his stimulus package was passed unemployment would not exceed 8 percent. It’s Obama who joked there weren’t as many “shovel-ready” jobs as he thought.

    It’s Obama who promised to cut the deficit in half. It’s Obama who said if we passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the health care cost curve would go down rather than up. It’s Obama who promised us recovery and prosperity, hope and change. What we’ve gotten instead is the opposite.

    . . . And it is on the common ground of facts that we can declare–in a calm, specific, reasonable, rational and empirical manner–Obama to be an utter failure.

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    You Think Obama’s Been a Bad President? Prove It: Jonathan Alter
     
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    Wehner is dead on, 100%.

    Let the mouth breathing liberal suckasses commence with the 'now wait just 1 danged minute...' :rofl:
     
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    Wehner is dead off, 100%. He writes,

    "Consider the mission accepted."

    But Alter wrote,

    "Your mission, Jim (and readers named something else), should you decide to accept it, is to identify where Obama has been a poor decision-maker. What, specifically, has he done wrong on policy? What, specifically, would you have done differently to create jobs? And what can any of the current Republican candidates offer that would be an improvement on the employment front?"

    Alter asks four specific questions (counting the one implicit in the first sentence quoted). Wehner doesn't answer any of them. Instead, he (admittedly, fairly explicitly) documents ways in which the economy is bad. Wehner's statements like

    "Under Obama’s stewardship, we have lost 2.2 million jobs (and 900,000 full-time jobs in the last four months alone). He is now on track to have the worst jobs record of any president in the modern era."

    don't answer any of Alter's questions, which are about Obama's decisions and policies, not about his outcomes. The two are related of course, but Wehner nevertheless fails to relate them. It's remarkable how well Alter predicts Wehner's methodology, and how completely Wehner misses Alter's point. It seems almost as if Alter is responding to Wehner rather than the other way around.
     
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    I find Ransom's article much more responsive to Alter's challenge. He's making assertions rather than proving points, but one can hardly dissect Dodd-Frank in a couple paragraphs. This does seem to be a reasonable conservative critique of the Obama presidency. However, I do wish Ransom had more scrupulously followed Alter's dictum to avoid ad hominem attacks, and Ransom's use of quotation marks around entirely fictitious and unfair "quotations" could mislead some.
     
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    Is it that hard to check a few facts here and there?

    Unemployment was already at 8.2% when the stimulus passed, less than a month into his presidency. Romer's projections were based on data that badly underestimated the depth of the recession (which is still coming into focus now). Not that the policy response was sufficiently large enough, even for the problem they thought they were facing--but that's as much a function of the pivot points in Congress as it is Obama's overcautiousness.

    Deficits have been cut in half:

    In CBO’s baseline, cumulative deficits total $3.5 trillion between 2012 and 2021, and by the end of 2021 debt held by the public equals $14.5 trillion, or 61 percent of GDP. That estimate of deficits over the next 10 years is considerably lower than the $6.7 trillion that the agency projected in March. ​

    Since the passage of the ACA, Medicare cost growth has fallen markedly. The past two years have in fact seen that curve beginning to bend downward.

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    No, it isn't the norm after deep recessions caused by financial crises: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/This-Time-Different-Centuries-Financial/dp/0691152640/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313270678&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly: Carmen M. Reinhart, Kenneth Rogoff[/ame]


    Reading more would be a good first step.
     
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    I think the fact a liberal like Alter has to try to claim Obama hasn't been a failure...

    Just shows how much of a failure Obama has been.
     
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    Nobody cares about Jon ALter........he runs an internet site that is followed only by the fringe on the political spectrum.

    I love the k00ks posting up shit about Jonathan Alter like he is some kind of mainstream influence!!!
     
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    Regarding Fannie, Freddie and Ginnie?

    A little history seems to be in order

    ]

    There's more here worth reading for those of us interested in the missteps this nation took leading to the RE meltdown.

    I think if one approaches this history as a non-partisan one comes away from the history understanding that it took both a government AND A PRIVATE SECTOR, both REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS to really SNAFU things as badly as was done.
     
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    President Obama has not at all be a failure.

    If he were a Republican every Republican would be wildly cheering his success and pushing to name all sorts of buildings and structures after him.

    Ronald Reagan was not only one of the worst presidents in the history of America..he was one of the biggest criminals. He really did commit treason. He really did violate the constitution. He really did break the law. He really did do massive damage to the economy. Yet conservatives hold this man up in the same reverence as the founders of the United States.

    It's really quite shocking.
     
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