Ted Cruz falsely says that Iran deal would make it easier for Iran to build a bomb

[g5000]

Someone please explain how destroying 98 percent of its enriched uranium, and all of its 5 to 20 percent enriched uranium, ending all enrichment at Fordow, and removing more than two thirds of their centrifuges, including all their advanced centrifuges will "facilitate and accelerate" Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Iran does not get the sanctions lifted until these things have been accomplished.

 

[ogibillm]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

 

[g5000]

Full text of the Iran nuclear deal

There is the full text of the agreement. Read it instead of drinking the piss poured for you by your hack partisan media masters. Stop being mindless parrots of lies.

Here are all the things Iran must do before EU, UN, and US sanctions can be lifted:

Iran will implement the nuclear-related measures as specified in Annex I:
15. Paragraphs 3 and 10 from Section B on "Arak Heavy Water Research Reactor";
15. Paragraphs 14 and 15 from Section C on "Heavy Water Production Plant";
15. Paragraphs 27, 28, 29, 29.1 and 29.2 from Section F on "Enrichment Capacity";
15. Paragraphs 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41 and 42 from Section G on "Centrifuges Research and Development";
15. Paragraphs 45, 46, 46.1, 46.2, 47.1, 48.1 from Section H on "Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant";
15. Paragraphs 52, 54 and 55 from Section I on "Other Aspects of Enrichment";
15. Paragraphs 57 and 58 from Section J on "Uranium Stocks and Fuels";
15. Paragraph 62 from Section K on "Centrifuge Manufacturing";
15. Complete the modalities and facilities-specific arrangements to allow the IAEA to implement all transparency measures provided for in Annex I;
15. Paragraphs 64 and 65 from Section L on "Additional Protocol and Modified Code 3.1";
15. Paragraphs 80.1 and 80.2 from Section R on "Centrifuge Component Manufacturing Transparency"; and
15. Within one year from Implementation Day, Iran will have completed the measures specified in paragraphs 47.2 and 48.2 of Section H on "Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant".

 

[g5000]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

2aguy is parroting a bullshit meme that there are no snap inspections.

All known nuclear weapons development sites are subject to no-notice inspections. In fact, most of them will have 24 hour monitoring systems in place. They will be watched 24/7/365.

Examples from the agreement:

For 15 years, Iran will permit the IAEA to implement continuous monitoring, including through containment and surveillance measures, as necessary, to verify that stored centrifuges and infrastructure remain in storage, and are only used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges, as specified in this Annex.

. Iran will permit the IAEA regular access, including daily access as requested by the IAEA, to relevant buildings at Natanz, including all parts of the FEP and PFEP, for 15 years.

The parrots are drinking the piss when they say there are no snap inspections.



Items 74 through 78 of the agreement deal with undeclared nuclear materials or activities. This is where the boneheads got the idea there are no snap inspections allowed of any kind.

They are wrong, and clearly have never read the agreement and are just being good little parroting rubes.



75. In furtherance of implementation of the JCPOA, if the IAEA has concerns regarding undeclared nuclear materials or activities, or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA, at locations that have not been declared under the comprehensive safeguards agreement or Additional Protocol, the IAEA will provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.

76. If Iran’s explanations do not resolve the IAEA’s concerns, the Agency may request access to such locations for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at such locations. The IAEA will provide Iran the reasons for access in writing and will make available relevant information.

77. Iran may propose to the IAEA alternative means of resolving the IAEA’s concerns that enable the IAEA to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the location in question, which should be given due and prompt consideration

78. If the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA cannot be verified after the implementation of the alternative arrangements agreed by Iran and the IAEA, or if the two sides are unable to reach satisfactory arrangements to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the specified locations within 14 days of the IAEA’s original request for access, Iran, in consultation with the members of the Joint Commission, would resolve the IAEA’s concerns through necessary means agreed between Iran and the IAEA. In the absence of an agreement, the members of the Joint Commission, by consensus or by a vote of 5 or more of its 8 members, would advise on the necessary means to resolve the IAEA's concerns. The process of consultation with, and any action by, the members of the Joint Commission would not exceed 7 days, and Iran would implement the necessary means within 3 additional days.

 

[g5000]

Now that the parrots have been exposed as being completely ignorant about any aspect of the agreement, we can expect them to shift gears to the "I WOODEN PUTIT PASTEM!" school of debate.

Rubes, trembling in front of the boob tube as the fearmongers fill their pants with shit.

 

[A Perez]

I bet Politifact said the same thing about North Korea.

Link? Stop betting and show proof of the bullshit you type.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I bet Politifact said the same thing about North Korea.

Link? Stop betting and show proof of the bullshit you type.

It was an opinion, jackass. Good grief you're a dim bulb

 

[g5000]

I bet Politifact said the same thing about North Korea.

Link? Stop betting and show proof of the bullshit you type.

It was an opinion, jackass. Good grief you're a dim bulb

It was a red herring, tossed into a conversation in which you are way over your head.

 

[A Perez]

I bet Politifact said the same thing about North Korea.

Link? Stop betting and show proof of the bullshit you type.

It was an opinion, jackass. Good grief you're a dim bulb

No. It was a falsehood that you could have easily verified. Idiot.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I bet Politifact said the same thing about North Korea.

Link? Stop betting and show proof of the bullshit you type.

It was an opinion, jackass. Good grief you're a dim bulb

No. It was a falsehood that you could have easily verified. Idiot.

You're too stupid to live. Now go away

 

[David_42]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

Before the sanctions are lifted, Iran will have to destroy 98 percent of its enriched uranium, and all of its 5 to 20 percent enriched uranium, end all enrichment at Fordow, and remove more than two thirds of their centrifuges, including all their advanced centrifuges.

The IAEA must certify these conditions have been met before the sanctions can be lifted.

So please explain how destroying 98 percent of its enriched uranium, and all of its 5 to 20 percent enriched uranium, ending all enrichment at Fordow, and removing more than two thirds of their centrifuges, including all their advanced centrifuges will "facilitate and accelerate" Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Go ahead.

BBBUUUUT OBAMA IS A MUSLIM TERRORIST! /s

 

[David_42]

Someone please explain how destroying 98 percent of its enriched uranium, and all of its 5 to 20 percent enriched uranium, ending all enrichment at Fordow, and removing more than two thirds of their centrifuges, including all their advanced centrifuges will "facilitate and accelerate" Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Iran does not get the sanctions lifted until these things have been accomplished.

War Hawks can't stand the Iran deal, it actually reduces a nations capacity for war. LOL.

 

[ogibillm]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

2aguy is parroting a bullshit meme that there are no snap inspections.

All known nuclear weapons development sites are subject to no-notice inspections. In fact, most of them will have 24 hour monitoring systems in place. They will be watched 24/7/365.

Examples from the agreement:

For 15 years, Iran will permit the IAEA to implement continuous monitoring, including through containment and surveillance measures, as necessary, to verify that stored centrifuges and infrastructure remain in storage, and are only used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges, as specified in this Annex.

. Iran will permit the IAEA regular access, including daily access as requested by the IAEA, to relevant buildings at Natanz, including all parts of the FEP and PFEP, for 15 years.

The parrots are drinking the piss when they say there are no snap inspections.



Items 74 through 78 of the agreement deal with undeclared nuclear materials or activities. This is where the boneheads got the idea there are no snap inspections allowed of any kind.

They are wrong, and clearly have never read the agreement and are just being good little parroting rubes.



75. In furtherance of implementation of the JCPOA, if the IAEA has concerns regarding undeclared nuclear materials or activities, or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA, at locations that have not been declared under the comprehensive safeguards agreement or Additional Protocol, the IAEA will provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.

76. If Iran’s explanations do not resolve the IAEA’s concerns, the Agency may request access to such locations for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at such locations. The IAEA will provide Iran the reasons for access in writing and will make available relevant information.

77. Iran may propose to the IAEA alternative means of resolving the IAEA’s concerns that enable the IAEA to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the location in question, which should be given due and prompt consideration

78. If the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA cannot be verified after the implementation of the alternative arrangements agreed by Iran and the IAEA, or if the two sides are unable to reach satisfactory arrangements to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the specified locations within 14 days of the IAEA’s original request for access, Iran, in consultation with the members of the Joint Commission, would resolve the IAEA’s concerns through necessary means agreed between Iran and the IAEA. In the absence of an agreement, the members of the Joint Commission, by consensus or by a vote of 5 or more of its 8 members, would advise on the necessary means to resolve the IAEA's concerns. The process of consultation with, and any action by, the members of the Joint Commission would not exceed 7 days, and Iran would implement the necessary means within 3 additional days.

well you and i know it's bullshit, but 2a isn't going to ever admit to that. but even if he were right, the fact that inspectors ever get in to the site is an improvement over the status quo. i wonder why he failed to mention that?

 

[g5000]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

2aguy is parroting a bullshit meme that there are no snap inspections.

All known nuclear weapons development sites are subject to no-notice inspections. In fact, most of them will have 24 hour monitoring systems in place. They will be watched 24/7/365.

Examples from the agreement:

For 15 years, Iran will permit the IAEA to implement continuous monitoring, including through containment and surveillance measures, as necessary, to verify that stored centrifuges and infrastructure remain in storage, and are only used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges, as specified in this Annex.

. Iran will permit the IAEA regular access, including daily access as requested by the IAEA, to relevant buildings at Natanz, including all parts of the FEP and PFEP, for 15 years.

The parrots are drinking the piss when they say there are no snap inspections.



Items 74 through 78 of the agreement deal with undeclared nuclear materials or activities. This is where the boneheads got the idea there are no snap inspections allowed of any kind.

They are wrong, and clearly have never read the agreement and are just being good little parroting rubes.



75. In furtherance of implementation of the JCPOA, if the IAEA has concerns regarding undeclared nuclear materials or activities, or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA, at locations that have not been declared under the comprehensive safeguards agreement or Additional Protocol, the IAEA will provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.

76. If Iran’s explanations do not resolve the IAEA’s concerns, the Agency may request access to such locations for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at such locations. The IAEA will provide Iran the reasons for access in writing and will make available relevant information.

77. Iran may propose to the IAEA alternative means of resolving the IAEA’s concerns that enable the IAEA to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the location in question, which should be given due and prompt consideration

78. If the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA cannot be verified after the implementation of the alternative arrangements agreed by Iran and the IAEA, or if the two sides are unable to reach satisfactory arrangements to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the specified locations within 14 days of the IAEA’s original request for access, Iran, in consultation with the members of the Joint Commission, would resolve the IAEA’s concerns through necessary means agreed between Iran and the IAEA. In the absence of an agreement, the members of the Joint Commission, by consensus or by a vote of 5 or more of its 8 members, would advise on the necessary means to resolve the IAEA's concerns. The process of consultation with, and any action by, the members of the Joint Commission would not exceed 7 days, and Iran would implement the necessary means within 3 additional days.

well you and i know it's bullshit, but 2a isn't going to ever admit to that. but even if he were right, the fact that inspectors ever get in to the site is an improvement over the status quo. i wonder why he failed to mention that?

Iran is a sovereign state. No treaty in the history of the Universe has allowed one country to go onto any military base of another country at will that is not covered by treaties or agreements.

Ever.

The rubes are too stupid, too credulous, and too historically ignorant to know this.

 

[2aguy]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

2aguy is parroting a bullshit meme that there are no snap inspections.

All known nuclear weapons development sites are subject to no-notice inspections. In fact, most of them will have 24 hour monitoring systems in place. They will be watched 24/7/365.

Examples from the agreement:

For 15 years, Iran will permit the IAEA to implement continuous monitoring, including through containment and surveillance measures, as necessary, to verify that stored centrifuges and infrastructure remain in storage, and are only used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges, as specified in this Annex.

. Iran will permit the IAEA regular access, including daily access as requested by the IAEA, to relevant buildings at Natanz, including all parts of the FEP and PFEP, for 15 years.

The parrots are drinking the piss when they say there are no snap inspections.



Items 74 through 78 of the agreement deal with undeclared nuclear materials or activities. This is where the boneheads got the idea there are no snap inspections allowed of any kind.

They are wrong, and clearly have never read the agreement and are just being good little parroting rubes.



75. In furtherance of implementation of the JCPOA, if the IAEA has concerns regarding undeclared nuclear materials or activities, or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA, at locations that have not been declared under the comprehensive safeguards agreement or Additional Protocol, the IAEA will provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.

76. If Iran’s explanations do not resolve the IAEA’s concerns, the Agency may request access to such locations for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at such locations. The IAEA will provide Iran the reasons for access in writing and will make available relevant information.

77. Iran may propose to the IAEA alternative means of resolving the IAEA’s concerns that enable the IAEA to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the location in question, which should be given due and prompt consideration

78. If the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA cannot be verified after the implementation of the alternative arrangements agreed by Iran and the IAEA, or if the two sides are unable to reach satisfactory arrangements to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the specified locations within 14 days of the IAEA’s original request for access, Iran, in consultation with the members of the Joint Commission, would resolve the IAEA’s concerns through necessary means agreed between Iran and the IAEA. In the absence of an agreement, the members of the Joint Commission, by consensus or by a vote of 5 or more of its 8 members, would advise on the necessary means to resolve the IAEA's concerns. The process of consultation with, and any action by, the members of the Joint Commission would not exceed 7 days, and Iran would implement the necessary means within 3 additional days.

well you and i know it's bullshit, but 2a isn't going to ever admit to that. but even if he were right, the fact that inspectors ever get in to the site is an improvement over the status quo. i wonder why he failed to mention that?

Iran is a sovereign state. No treaty in the history of the Universe has allowed one country to go onto any military base of another country at will that is not covered by treaties or agreements.

Ever.

The rubes are too stupid, too credulous, and too historically ignorant to know this.

Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism around the world….they do not get the benefit of the doubt, they have spent money and man power killing innocent people around the world…they are not a normal, peaceful country…they are a bad actor that has to be monitored…

What don't you morons understand about that?

 

[2aguy]

Someone please explain how destroying 98 percent of its enriched uranium, and all of its 5 to 20 percent enriched uranium, ending all enrichment at Fordow, and removing more than two thirds of their centrifuges, including all their advanced centrifuges will "facilitate and accelerate" Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Iran does not get the sanctions lifted until these things have been accomplished.

That is bullshit and you know it….as soon as obama signs off on the deal they will get everything they want and no one will care what happens after that……you guys are really dumb.

 

[ogibillm]

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

2aguy is parroting a bullshit meme that there are no snap inspections.

All known nuclear weapons development sites are subject to no-notice inspections. In fact, most of them will have 24 hour monitoring systems in place. They will be watched 24/7/365.

Examples from the agreement:

For 15 years, Iran will permit the IAEA to implement continuous monitoring, including through containment and surveillance measures, as necessary, to verify that stored centrifuges and infrastructure remain in storage, and are only used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges, as specified in this Annex.

. Iran will permit the IAEA regular access, including daily access as requested by the IAEA, to relevant buildings at Natanz, including all parts of the FEP and PFEP, for 15 years.

The parrots are drinking the piss when they say there are no snap inspections.



Items 74 through 78 of the agreement deal with undeclared nuclear materials or activities. This is where the boneheads got the idea there are no snap inspections allowed of any kind.

They are wrong, and clearly have never read the agreement and are just being good little parroting rubes.



75. In furtherance of implementation of the JCPOA, if the IAEA has concerns regarding undeclared nuclear materials or activities, or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA, at locations that have not been declared under the comprehensive safeguards agreement or Additional Protocol, the IAEA will provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.

76. If Iran’s explanations do not resolve the IAEA’s concerns, the Agency may request access to such locations for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at such locations. The IAEA will provide Iran the reasons for access in writing and will make available relevant information.

77. Iran may propose to the IAEA alternative means of resolving the IAEA’s concerns that enable the IAEA to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the location in question, which should be given due and prompt consideration

78. If the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA cannot be verified after the implementation of the alternative arrangements agreed by Iran and the IAEA, or if the two sides are unable to reach satisfactory arrangements to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the specified locations within 14 days of the IAEA’s original request for access, Iran, in consultation with the members of the Joint Commission, would resolve the IAEA’s concerns through necessary means agreed between Iran and the IAEA. In the absence of an agreement, the members of the Joint Commission, by consensus or by a vote of 5 or more of its 8 members, would advise on the necessary means to resolve the IAEA's concerns. The process of consultation with, and any action by, the members of the Joint Commission would not exceed 7 days, and Iran would implement the necessary means within 3 additional days.

well you and i know it's bullshit, but 2a isn't going to ever admit to that. but even if he were right, the fact that inspectors ever get in to the site is an improvement over the status quo. i wonder why he failed to mention that?

Iran is a sovereign state. No treaty in the history of the Universe has allowed one country to go onto any military base of another country at will that is not covered by treaties or agreements.

Ever.

The rubes are too stupid, too credulous, and too historically ignorant to know this.

Iran is the biggest sponsor of terrorism around the world….they do not get the benefit of the doubt, they have spent money and man power killing innocent people around the world…they are not a normal, peaceful country…they are a bad actor that has to be monitored…

What don't you morons understand about that?

if that's how you feel, fine. just stop lying about what the deal says and does

 

[2aguy]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

2aguy is parroting a bullshit meme that there are no snap inspections.

All known nuclear weapons development sites are subject to no-notice inspections. In fact, most of them will have 24 hour monitoring systems in place. They will be watched 24/7/365.

Examples from the agreement:

For 15 years, Iran will permit the IAEA to implement continuous monitoring, including through containment and surveillance measures, as necessary, to verify that stored centrifuges and infrastructure remain in storage, and are only used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges, as specified in this Annex.

. Iran will permit the IAEA regular access, including daily access as requested by the IAEA, to relevant buildings at Natanz, including all parts of the FEP and PFEP, for 15 years.

The parrots are drinking the piss when they say there are no snap inspections.



Items 74 through 78 of the agreement deal with undeclared nuclear materials or activities. This is where the boneheads got the idea there are no snap inspections allowed of any kind.

They are wrong, and clearly have never read the agreement and are just being good little parroting rubes.



75. In furtherance of implementation of the JCPOA, if the IAEA has concerns regarding undeclared nuclear materials or activities, or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA, at locations that have not been declared under the comprehensive safeguards agreement or Additional Protocol, the IAEA will provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.

76. If Iran’s explanations do not resolve the IAEA’s concerns, the Agency may request access to such locations for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at such locations. The IAEA will provide Iran the reasons for access in writing and will make available relevant information.

77. Iran may propose to the IAEA alternative means of resolving the IAEA’s concerns that enable the IAEA to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the location in question, which should be given due and prompt consideration

78. If the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA cannot be verified after the implementation of the alternative arrangements agreed by Iran and the IAEA, or if the two sides are unable to reach satisfactory arrangements to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the specified locations within 14 days of the IAEA’s original request for access, Iran, in consultation with the members of the Joint Commission, would resolve the IAEA’s concerns through necessary means agreed between Iran and the IAEA. In the absence of an agreement, the members of the Joint Commission, by consensus or by a vote of 5 or more of its 8 members, would advise on the necessary means to resolve the IAEA's concerns. The process of consultation with, and any action by, the members of the Joint Commission would not exceed 7 days, and Iran would implement the necessary means within 3 additional days.

You actually think any of that is going to happen…you are delusional.

 

[ogibillm]

Someone please explain how destroying 98 percent of its enriched uranium, and all of its 5 to 20 percent enriched uranium, ending all enrichment at Fordow, and removing more than two thirds of their centrifuges, including all their advanced centrifuges will "facilitate and accelerate" Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Iran does not get the sanctions lifted until these things have been accomplished.

That is bullshit and you know it….as soon as obama signs off on the deal they will get everything they want and no one will care what happens after that……you guys are really dumb.

lol. how so? you really don't care about the actual deal at all, you've decided on a fantasy and are now pushing that as reality.
why can't you just stick to the facts?

 

[ogibillm]

Politifact rates Cruz's statement "false" and explains how the deal will make it harder for Iran to make a bomb.

"The Iran deal may be less than perfect, but experts say it’s hard to see how implementing the agreement -- rather than doing nothing at all -- would actually "facilitate and accelerate" an Iranian nuclear weapon. The worst-case scenario would be that the deal throws up a couple years’ worth of roadblocks that would not exist otherwise. We rate the claim False." Ted Cruz says deal will 'facilitate and accelerate' Iran getting a nuclear bomb

In this thread, we shall discuss ways in which Ted Cruz can become less dumb.

How is allowing them to sell their oil, get back 150 billion dollars, being able to keep inspectors out of targeted sites for over a month not allowing them to build nuclear weapons……

They will have more cash……and will have protection from strikes by Israel……politifact is a left wing, democrat supporting site that couldn't tell the truth if they tried….

i'm wondering about your 'over a month' statement, but let's assume you're right.
how long does it take inspectors to get to those sites before the implementation of the agreement?

2aguy is parroting a bullshit meme that there are no snap inspections.

All known nuclear weapons development sites are subject to no-notice inspections. In fact, most of them will have 24 hour monitoring systems in place. They will be watched 24/7/365.

Examples from the agreement:

For 15 years, Iran will permit the IAEA to implement continuous monitoring, including through containment and surveillance measures, as necessary, to verify that stored centrifuges and infrastructure remain in storage, and are only used to replace failed or damaged centrifuges, as specified in this Annex.

. Iran will permit the IAEA regular access, including daily access as requested by the IAEA, to relevant buildings at Natanz, including all parts of the FEP and PFEP, for 15 years.

The parrots are drinking the piss when they say there are no snap inspections.



Items 74 through 78 of the agreement deal with undeclared nuclear materials or activities. This is where the boneheads got the idea there are no snap inspections allowed of any kind.

They are wrong, and clearly have never read the agreement and are just being good little parroting rubes.



75. In furtherance of implementation of the JCPOA, if the IAEA has concerns regarding undeclared nuclear materials or activities, or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA, at locations that have not been declared under the comprehensive safeguards agreement or Additional Protocol, the IAEA will provide Iran the basis for such concerns and request clarification.

76. If Iran’s explanations do not resolve the IAEA’s concerns, the Agency may request access to such locations for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at such locations. The IAEA will provide Iran the reasons for access in writing and will make available relevant information.

77. Iran may propose to the IAEA alternative means of resolving the IAEA’s concerns that enable the IAEA to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the location in question, which should be given due and prompt consideration

78. If the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA cannot be verified after the implementation of the alternative arrangements agreed by Iran and the IAEA, or if the two sides are unable to reach satisfactory arrangements to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with the JCPOA at the specified locations within 14 days of the IAEA’s original request for access, Iran, in consultation with the members of the Joint Commission, would resolve the IAEA’s concerns through necessary means agreed between Iran and the IAEA. In the absence of an agreement, the members of the Joint Commission, by consensus or by a vote of 5 or more of its 8 members, would advise on the necessary means to resolve the IAEA's concerns. The process of consultation with, and any action by, the members of the Joint Commission would not exceed 7 days, and Iran would implement the necessary means within 3 additional days.

You actually think any of that is going to happen…you are delusional.

why do you think it won't? why would anyone release sanctions if iran doesn't do what it's supposed to?